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Is Obama’s re-election the first step towards a dystopian matriarchy in which men are obsolete?

A glimpse of our purple-lipped dystopian future?

Manosphere dudes are having a little trouble dealing with Obama’s re-election – especially with the fact that women and minorities were behind it. On The Rational Male, the regulars are debating the merits of a post-election manifesto from a fellow named Mark Minter, originally posted as a comment on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog.

Minter, who is basically right about the demographic shift behind Obama’s victory but wrong about everything else, lays out what he sees as the evil forces arrayed against the dudes of America – the white ones in particular — and what he sees as a solution. Naturally, in classic manosphere style, he gets a bit melodramatic about it all.

(In the excerpts that follow, I’m snipping out the demographic details, which everyone here already  knows about.)

Women are winning. Women are going to win and impose the changes on society that they wish and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was women. Pure and Simply. This election was about women. And the men lost.

Well, the election was “about women” mainly in that women voters (and plenty of men) voted against Republicans trying their best to make abortion illegal and reproductive services unavailable. Beyond this, women’s issues rarely came up.

Back to Minter, who is starting to build up quite a head of steam:

The forces arrayed against you, socially, economically, and politically are insurmountable. You can scream, whine, blog, comment, whatever, and you will not turn back the march of history. Even if the number of Red Pill aware men increases ten fold in the next few years, it still will not stop the inevitable erosion of the position of men, not only in America, but throughout the rest of the world.

Grab hold of your dicks, dudes; a storm is a-brewing!

Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police. Whether you realize it or not, women are a bigger enemy to you than any Arab, any Iranian, any Chinese.

Any Chinese what?

Democrats made a lot of hay about the Clint Eastwood presentation during the Republican convention where he used a chair a prop and addressed a hypothetical Barrack Obama in the chair. It was said that was essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a black Democratic president. And more and more of are those old, angry, white men going to die and not be replaced in the pipeline. … There will a smaller percentage of white voters in every election cycle from here on out.

The horror!

But the real issue was the gender gap.

The horror!

[M]ore and more women will move into elected office and those women will push issues favorable to women as their primary agenda masking those issues as “for children”, “for education”, “for families”.

The horror!

Also, the story of the next four years will be stagnation on issues involving spending, spending cuts, unless it is a measure that effects women. Then public opinion, the media, and the army of women will coerce the Republican legislature into caving.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

So what’s wrong with women politicians pushing women’s issues? Because women are man-haters, and they’re going to use their new power to do all sorts of man-hatey things:

You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. The see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.

And they are earnest and driven in structuring society and the law in such a manner that you are no longer needed.

Uh oh. That sounds ominous.

They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it. Their job and their female friends are more important to them than you are. They are celebrating and defining single motherhood as the form of child rearing preferrable to a two parent household.

Wait, I thought that it was men who were avoiding marriage – helping to bring down society with an Atlas Shruggish “marriage strike.” And that men were enjoying every minute of it.

Manosphere dudes, get your story straight!

[Y]ou should expect the bad behavior of women in relationships and in social situations to only get worse.

Oh noes!

There is a massive demographic shift that has been occuring since the end of the birth control. Compare the dearth of child bearing age women against the number of men from 19-55 that chase those women, men that throw deals and enticements at the feet of those women, with the rise in social media mechanisms available today that permit women to be approached and have those deals thrown at their feet, and you have recipe for more trouble ahead for men.

Men flattering women on Facebook and OkCupid in an attempt to get into their pants => women getting all stuck up => oppression of men!

Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women.

Wait, what? Could you show your math here?

So how can men respond to the new realities of our post-modern world?

Start with this statement right here and make it the first declaration in who you are, what you will be, and will do, what you won’t be and what you won’t do, and how you judge and think about the world

“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”.

You owe nobody nothing. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothi …

Bored now. Let’s skip ahead to something a tiny bit more creative:

We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms. You have a power that you give away. We voluntarily let chains be placed on you because we think that is what “The Good Man” does.

Re-evaluate everything.

Revolt.

Uh, I’m pretty sure you’re already revolting.

Ba-dum-tish!

You cannot change where the world and society is going. But you have the power to change your life so that you live it on your own terms. There will no “macro” solution to the angst that you are feeling. There will be no grand social movement to correct the wrongs that you experience in your dealings with women and in how society views and what it expects from men.

But you have the solution in your hands.

Wait, is this some sort of masturbation reference?

Actually, no:

Game.

Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.

Don’t just neg women. Neg the world!

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ithiliana
9 years ago

I think those men should go their own way.

*nods srsly*

And quit talking about it.

*puts sign up with big arrows pointing to nearest short pier*

2-D Man
2-D Man
9 years ago

Whether you [men] realize it or not, women are a bigger enemy to you than any Arab, any Iranian, any Chinese.

Any Chinese what?

Finger trap.

Ray
Ray
9 years ago

“The see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.”

How is this any different than what MGTOWers say about women?

Melody
9 years ago

Glad to know that is all my fault (and the fault of women like me) that these men can’t get married, have babies and have sex.
Clearly, those issues are effected by politics.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Any Chinese what?

Any Chinese vase. Women might put scented fucking candles in those, you know.

reymohammed
reymohammed
9 years ago

No matter what women are or do, these creatures that pass for men will despise them, no matter that they all are descendants of women and some are, or will be, ancestors of women. What is motivating them?

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
9 years ago

It’s just not a real day until I get an update from Manboobz. Good work as usual, although I’m beginning to question my sanity when I willingly read MRA material.

Any Chinese what?

That wasn’t actually a mistake; in English you can call a single Chinese person a “Chinese” just as I can be called a “Japanese”. Nonetheless, this fellow is quite bigoted.

You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. The see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them.

You make it quite easy to hold such an opinion when people read idiotic manifestos like yours, Mr. Minter.

I must say, I like that pale purple lipstick.

viola
9 years ago

Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.

I think this may be the most self-aware MRA advice I’ve seen. It’s almost like he knows he’s advocating self-induced egoistic delusion. Tell yourself enough pretty stories about how you’re right and good and special and everyone else is just hateful and cruel, and you too can be like Mark Minter!

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms.

You’re off to a good start, Mark, as MRAs are useless in general. Living on your terms may mean cutting back on the keyboard warrior thing and stopping the whining about women. Details, details.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Blockquote fail. That first bit was from Mr. Minter.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

Yes, because the world needs more angry old white men ranting at furniture…

(Personally, I aspire to be an eccentric old individual with an iguana who wears clashing colours.)

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

Women are winning. Women are going to win and impose the changes on society that they wish and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

SCOOOOOORE.

The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was women

You’re welcome.

And more and more of are those old, angry, white men going to die and not be replaced in the pipeline.

I just can NOT bring myself to feel bad about this.

Wait, I thought that it was men who were avoiding marriage – helping to bring down society with an Atlas Shruggish “marriage strike.”

Men are avoiding marriage if pretending to GTOW gives them rage spite boners for all the women who are ‘not’ in their way. But if saying feminists are trying to destroy family values is on the table, totes blame it on them.

Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women.

Actually, given the averages shown, chances are there will be two boys and two girls in 2007 and one boy and one girl in 2011.

Also, WHAT THE FUCK is this shit about girls being ‘for boys’? YOU DO NOT OWN THEM. THEY ARE PEOPLE.

Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.

EEEEEEEWWWWWWW.

So TL;DR – put your pee pee in as many women as possible to prove to them how you don’t need them for anything?

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

The see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them.

Projection, again.

They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it.

Since when has an MRA ever seen a woman as a partner in his life? Partnership works both ways, Minternozzle.

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women.

Actually, given the averages shown, chances are there will be two boys and two girls in 2007 and one boy and one girl in 2011.

BUT A MAN IS ENTITLED TO A WOMAN YOUNGER THAN HIM FOR OPTIMAL BONERS

reymohammed
reymohammed
9 years ago

What is *wrong* with them?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

@clairedammit

Oh dear, my ‘cougar’ tendencies (ok, one of them was 1.5 years younger than me, the other is .5 years younger…) are clearly generating misandry in the direction of my boyfriends.

Not that they’ve really complained. 😛

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

CWS, not only are you spewing misandry willy-nilly all over your poor, undeserving boyfriends, but you are depriving a man 3-5 years your senior of his right to date you. YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAWS OF NATURE.

(Ugh, even though that was completely sarcastic, I just squicked myself out.)

megillicuddy
9 years ago

Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women.

Wait, I thought the goal with women was to have bitter, hostile sex then run away before she sucks your blood and gnaws your bones or whatever, but now it’s a tragedy that there won’t be enough women to trap men in the prison of lifelong servitude that is marriage?

Doesn’t it hurt their heads to follow this kind of tortured logic all day every day?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

It was said that was essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a black Democratic president.

He forgot an essential point.

It was said that was essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a version of our black Democratic president that didn’t actually exist.

Though there’s some truth in the original formulation as well.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you selfish and deceitful, headed, and fundamentally stupid. The see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them.

So, what was this about the MRM’s view of women now?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

* should be an air next to “headed” in the quote box… oops

Kim
Kim
9 years ago

What is *wrong* with them?

They aren’t getting the royal treatment they grew up expecting, and they no longer feeling like special snowflakes, so they’re going to have a big tanty about it.

It really is the most strident, egotistical immaturity.

Melody
9 years ago

Also, WHAT THE FUCK is this shit about girls being ‘for boys’? YOU DO NOT OWN THEM. THEY ARE PEOPLE.

Not according to MRMs and “nice guys”.

Girls are things to put their penis in. And nothing else. And any woman who wants to be more than that is going against TRADITION!

Tradition is important. Lets go back to the good old days of the early 1900’s!

Shiraz
Shiraz
9 years ago

This thread makes me happy.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

So, I can disprove the entire movement right now with things occurring in my own life. I am a 19 year old white knighting mangina who avoids game like the plague. I have a date on Tuesday with a girl I have been chatting with every so often whenever we happen to run into each other. It may or may not go well, however I’m happy regardless of what happens, if it leads to a second date, then that’s awesome, if not, at least I still have someone as nerdy as I am to squee about Doctor Who with.

Alex
9 years ago

women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. The see you as big children

Yes, Mark Minter, I do think that of you and all the rest of your MRA/MGTOW/PUA friends. Especially the “fundamentally stupid” part. That times a thousand.

meltydali
meltydali
9 years ago

Weird how he cautions other MRAs against trusting women by saying they see men as children. Most of the shit I see in the “manosphere” tries to infantilize women and compare them to children. Do they realize their own tactics?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous:

Ah, but you see… You are white knighting for the sole purpose of getting girls! And you’ve been successful, but that’s a sad thing because white knighting debases yourself. But you’ve been chatting, and not just sexing, which must mean that you are being taken advantage of. You’re putting kindness coins in, but sex isn’t coming out!

If only you would view all women as inferior back-stabbers, then you could be happy being an asshole to everyone and managing to sleep with women who are ok with sleeping with an asshole (so few are, must be misandry).

Then you’d be a real man.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

@clairedammit

It’s not my fault if elegible younger men throw themselves at me. If these older men I should ‘naturally’ desire want me, they should make their interest known.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

@kirbywarp

I know that sarcasm, but I legit don’t care if I get laid or not, that’s the normal attitude right? It’s just manosphere dudes who view sex as a measure of social status beyond high school, right?

cloudiah
9 years ago

I guess Paul Elam is participating in NaNoWriMo. Or actually, just recycling something old, about how it’s just so understandable for a man to lose it and beat up a woman who has the temerity to leave him. Seriously, all of their women are like cartoon villains. The comments are predictably awful too. Sigh.

cloudiah
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous Have fun on Tuesday!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous:

I dunno what the normal attitude is, really. The mature attitude would be to recognize what’s important to you in friends and in dating partners (which could include sex), and to express those desires without the expectation that the other person is required to meet them.

The problem is that people can be wonderfully (read: awfully) immature past High School…

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

@aworld: I hope you have a great time on your date.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

@cloudiah

I wanted to do NaNoWriMo, but I couldn’t come up with any ideas fast enough, that and I don’t really have the motivation to write a novel.

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

The guy in Elam’s post looks like he’s made out of a chocolate crinkle cookie, and now I want a chocolate crinkle cookie. Alas, all I have are Triscuits.

Also, have you all seen the kitten cam? http://new.livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/TheSpiceKittens They are asleep right now, but if you rewind back to about 58 minutes, you can catch them playing with their human.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

@Older men

Please do not make your interest known. I was being sarcastic.

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

Aworldanonymous, I think it’s normal to want to get laid, it’s normal to not want to get laid, it’s normal to want a relationship, and to not want a relationship. It’s also normal to have no idea what you want. As long as you’re honest with other people and see them as people (which you obviously do!), it’s all good.

Noadi
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous Good luck with your date! I hope it goes well and even if nothing romantic works out it sounds like you may have a new friend at the very least and friends are awesome.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

And she just cancelled, eh, such is life, kind of sucks though, I really wanted to go see skyfall, guess I’ll just have to find someone else to go see it with.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous:

Aww, that’s too bad. 🙁 Good luck finding someone.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

And actually I’m surprised at myself, this is one of the first times I’ve been rejected in a long string of rejections where I’ve legitimately not been crushed by it. Like, I honestly can’t see myself getting upset even if she starts dating another guy. IS THIS WHAT HAVING A BRAIN FEELS LIKE? FINALLY FREEDOM FROM THE SILENT OPPRESSION OF MY PENIS!!!!

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

@aworldanon

Good luck with the date thing. 😀

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

*facepalm*

Oops. Although if you had something set up she could have had an emergency (plumbing exploded, sick friend, sick self, pain medications reacting badly with anxiety medications meaning that nothing can be seen…) rather than out-and-out rejection.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

@Creative Writing Student

She’s not looking for a relationship right now, which in my experience has meant that there’s usually something bigger going on and she either doesn’t want to hurt my feelings, or something else. However, I’m not upset, well I am, but not as upset as my hormone addled teenage self would have been. It could also have been the fact that I wasn’t really expecting anything to come of it. Oh well.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
9 years ago

@aworld

Ah. 🙁

Cute animal video?

cloudiah
9 years ago

Well, I hope you find someone else fun to see Skyfall with. And it sounds like you have a good attitude about things, and now you also have a video of foxes experiencing pure joy on a trampoline.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

cloudiah, care to briefly summarize Elam’s DV fanfiction? I’m not sure I can tolerate reading that shit right now.

Alex
9 years ago

Yeah, Paul Elam’s…whatever that was, is, uh, well, what you’d expect.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Also, I think this is the second time since the election that we’ve seen “Game” explicitly applied to national-level politics, although the first time was a bit different since it talked about “Gaming” the abstract female personification of the United States.

I just picture a bunch of dudes standing around, thrusting their hips into the empty air around America’s purple mountains majesty, golden waves of grain, etc..

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