Up all night. Too tired to scan the manosphere for weird reactions to Obama’s victory.
But here are some scenes from last night as a couple of backwards white dudes attempted to come to terms with the new demographic realities that enabled Obama to win the election despite getting a smaller percentage of the white vote than Michael Dukakis did in 1988.
Karl Rove, on Fox News, responded to the new realities with good old-fashioned denial, arguing with the number-crunchers for Fox after they called Ohio as a win for Obama. Rove must have thought he’d bought the election good and square!
Bill O’Reilly, meanwhile, responded with, well, there’s really no other word for it than racism:
Also, while we’re talking demographics, here’s a nice pithy breakdown of the gender gap, from ABC news:
Women favored Obama by 11 points while men backed Romney by 7; the gender gap has been bigger just once, in 2000 (when men were +11 Bush and women were +11 Gore). Add in marital status and the gaps become garish: Married men for Romney by 60-38 percent; unmarried women (younger, more Democratic, more aligned with Obama on social and role-of-government issues) backed the incumbent by 67-31 percent.
Grouchy entitled white dudes, get used to it.
wonderful social interaction *online.
(Don’t want anyone thinking I’m trying to claim to be on the spectrum when I ain’t.)
Stupid fake Americans, wanting housing and health care and food and shit. Food! Of all things!
Affluent whit people bothering you? Try being a single mom while listening to you’re affluent family members complaim about how they only get by pay check to pay check (while having multiple tens of thousands in the bank), make assinine comments about poor people and refuse to spend an evening meal at your perfectly clean, well maintained apartment.
More than a few welfare queen comments have been made in my hearing followed by “we don’t mean you Pillow”. They seriously have zero idea as to what life is like for anyone at the poverty line.
“Everybody just has their hand out these days. Nobody wants to work. You can tell these young people how the real world is, but they won’t listen.”
(Actual overheard phone conversation in a book store a couple of months ago, from an older white man, of course.)
((Don’t even get me started on people who talk on their phones in book stores.))
That sucks, Pillow.
Ugh. Yeah, that’s why in these right to work states people work their asses off and still can’t afford good housing and food. By right to work, they mean right to work yourself to death and still struggle. Here’s a good video about the low wage trap, too, about how overly strict guidelines for help end up forcing people to turn down pay raises and promotions in order to be able to have childcare and health care. It’s a terrible catch 22. So people aren’t lazy. The problem is that the entire system is set up to make people fail while a tiny few are getting rich off their work.
Actually, one of my second cousins had to have a second baby in order to keep Medicaid for her first child when her husband got a pay raise at the golf course he works at. She didn’t want to even have another child yet, but she couldn’t afford health insurance otherwise and was in a bind. I just hate hearing people complain that people needing help means they’re lazy rather than trying to understand why they need help.
A lot of people also don’t realize how precarious their own situation is. My dad used to do really well as an electrical engineer traveling with his job, and we lived well. I even got to go with him on some of his trips, because he believes travel is more educational than a classroom. Then he had a stroke and had to retire early. He was too young for Medicare when he had the stroke, and the medical bills, even with insurance, made things bad. He was never lazy, it’s just that a catastrophic medical problem can derail anyone in the middle class.
My own family scrimps and saves the best we can, but life just keeps getting more expensive while wages stay flat. Daycare is so high I can’t make enough money at minimum wage to afford it, but it’s hard raising a family on one salary. Then the tornado happened. If it weren’t for government help, I don’t know what we would have done. Thank spaghetti monster Obama won, because it gives me some hope for better times ahead.
That’s why even though I’m an atheist, I still like the saying “There but by the grace of God go I”. It’s easy to judge people when you’re lucky, but it doesn’t take much to make it all change overnight.
Who made middle-class white dudes the arbiters of what’s the real world? Surely everyone has an equally valid experience of what real life is like.
You mean I just made a horrible mistake to the tune of $80,000?!! ONOES! I WILL BE PAYING LESS PER MONTH THAN I AM NOW NEXT STOP FINANCIAL SERVITUDE TO THE HORRIBLE CHICOMS!!
Why no. Only white middle class men are real people. The rest of us are here to annoy them.
Gah! Spectacular blockquotes fail! Live and learn, I guess.
Bionicmommy: Careful with that video about the low wage trap. angela might decide slavery is still legal.
percunium, did adding that last little bit make you feel like a better person? Has insulting someone to make them feel bad and yourself feel better worked for you as a life skill so far? Because in real life being a bully doesn’t make you cool, it makes you look like a tiny, mean, toadlike hateful creature.
And above all else, I’m sorry that you’re trying to make yourself feel like a better person off the back of slaves. I never said slavery was legal to day. I never said it doesn’t exist, and I never said I decided slavery was unconstitutional but not illegal. I learned that it was and moved on.
I didn’t even mention slavery in this post to begin with. Someone else decided that “shut up” was all the argument they needed and then you popped up like some sort of fungus from your user pic and decided to insult.
It’s bullying. And unless it’s only okay to be a bully on this board if you’re one of the cool kids, it’s wrong.
Angela: If you understood psychology as well as you don’t understand history, you might be able to describe me, and what I am doing.
I didn’t mock you to make myself feel better. I did it to make you aware that your dishonesty isn’t forgotten. You came in with a clean slate, and you destroyed it. You have the chance to establish some shred of credibility, but it’s not in this thread, it’s in that one.
This is a blog for mocking misogyny, but that doesn’t mean other forms of dishonesty are tolerated. Being rude, and insulting to people who engaged you in good faith (really, if you doubt me go and read the 7,000 words I wrote to you, in direct reply to your arguments, with citations,and references).
And you blew them off. You said you were free to ignore them all because you knew better than they did. Then you came to this thread as if you’d done nothing offensive.
When you said that, you had a history, and all the baggage that comes with it.
Angela: are you fucking kidding me with this garbage?You don’t feel bad at all, you disingenuous twit. You clearly get off on ginned-up moral outrage and large-scale concern trolling.
Angela: I should point something out: if you think I am being mean to you, you are in for a rude shock. I’m one of the more gentle members of the community.
Every time I hear someone ragging on the poor for, well, being poor, I think of this scene:
One of the many reasons I’m breathing a sigh of relief after last night.
hellkell, in fact, I’ve never trolled anything in my entire life. I’m here to educate myself about misogyny just like everyone else. I didn’t expect to be gang-piled, but I’m not sorry I’m not wrong.
I questioned why no one was arrested for owning slaves after the war. I genuinely just wanted to know why. Learning why, I wanted to tell others, because it is truly shocking that no one who engaged in either old fashioned or neo-slavery post war was ever tried for it.
Instead, I got tone arguments left right and centre. I got incorrect facts shoved in my face time and time again as though that somehow by mentioning it half a dozen times that now all of a sudden the emancipation proclamation finally really did free all the slaves or that slavery has been outlawed since the 1860s.
Being right when everyone else around you is insisting that you’re wrong, you’ve always been wrong and you’ll always be wrong may look a lot like trolling, but it isn’t the intent. Watching people whose opinions I genuinely agree with somehow deciding that I’m just another idiotic troll because I happen to believe in something very strongly hurts a great deal.
So, no. I don’t get off on moral outrage or large-scale concern troll, but a tone argument is a tone argument, even when you don’t like what the other person has to say on top of the tone they might have used to express outrage.
It’s not often that guys like O’Reilly are this honest about their belief that wealthy straight white men are the only legitimate citizens, and the rest of us are here on their sufferance. But this election has brought out some awe-inspiring right-wing douchebaggery.
It is becoming clearer to me with each passing day that I really do need to see The Emperor’s New Groove.
This really is bizzaro land. Where ” angela might decide slavery is still legal.” apropos of nothing that had ever been mentioned, is somehow gentle.
And of course, we’re all arguing tooth and nail about just how horrible slavery is, but I bring up a little known fact that deserves to be much better known, and ooooh, troll in the dungeon.
Angela: So, no. I don’t get off on moral outrage or large-scale concern troll, but a tone argument is a tone argument,
And I never engaged in one with you, but you started one here. And you ignored evidence in the other thread. And you misreprented your arguments in this one.
The hole, it’s getting deeper. I commend a cessation of digging operations.
Angela, exactly how did your wrong, long-winded Confederate apologia and ensuing cluster fuck educate you about misogyny?
Look, I know that reading and comprehending isn’t in your wheelhouse, but have you by any chance read the header of this site? This isn’t where you come to learn about misogyny.
Angela, they weren’t using your tone against you, they were arguing with your assertions. And Pecunium is no kind of bully. I really doubt you’ll believe me, though. I know how powerfully persuasive outrage can be.