Manosphere drama is always a bit surreal. You may recall my post the other day about the feud developing between two sites that are regular sources of material for us here at Man Boobz: MGTOWforums and A Voice for Men. As you may recall, the folks at MGTOWforums were working themselves into a lather because AVFM was committing the cardinal sin of allowing women – sorry, “cunts” – to post articles and comments. The horror!
Now AVFM has fired back. In a thread on AVFM’s relatively new forum, head cheese Paul Elam lashes out at the “MGTOW Forum Fuckwits,” declaring them a bunch of shit-stirring “piss ants” and announcing his plans to turn the AVFM forum into MGTOW central.
I see an opportunity here, This forum is very user friendly to MGTOW’s. MGTOW Forums is the largest one of its kind, but it is run by children. I will happily siphon off as many of the men they ban and shame for not measuring up to their cliquish little band of alpha wannabe’s as I can.
God knows [MGTOWforums admin] Nacho and his bootlickers run them off as quick as they come in.
AVfM is already a more traveled site than their forum, and as time passes the MGTOW presence here will eclipse their little circle jerk.
Speaking of circle jerks, here’s Paul, in an unrelated thread on his forum, banning a dude for having the temerity to suggest that “Reddit, not avoiceformen.com, is the most important online resource for Men’s Rights Activism.”
BANNED! Nothing must challenge the supremacy of PAUL ELAM!
Naturally, I found out about this by reading about it on MGTOWforums, where A Voice for Men is now being dismissed as — I kid you not — “A Vagina For Manginas.”
Still, the strangest development in this civil war is this: some MGTOWers who’ve been banned from AVFM’s forum have set up an alternative forum of their own, which they’ve rather confusingly named “AVFMforums.” Yes, that’s right, it’s a battle between the AVFM forums and … AVFMforums. How can you tell them apart? Well, when the latter group uses the acronym AVFM they mean “Alternate Voice for Men” rather than the original “A Voice for Men.” Also, the dudes at AVFMforums think that AVFM’s Elam is “a lying hippocrite [sic] with no credibility.”
If this is all a bit confusing, perhaps this brief video clip will help elucidate some of the issues here:
Also, for no particular reason, here are two new pictures of Sweetie Pie Jonus, one of my kittens:
Actually, the combatants in this latest mansophere civil war could learn a thing or two from my kittens. They fight, but always seem to end up licking each other’s heads. The kittens, that is. I’d love to see Paul Elam and his critics doing the same.
NWO: In the history of the world the only people to ever wage a war to free an enslaved race that wasn’t themselves has been white Christian men. The toll was staggering. Brother killed brother. Kinda makes you proud. Doesn’t it? I wonder what the world would be like if white Christian men hadn’t made such a sacrifice?
Well if the white christian men who’d enslaved them hadn’t done it… no need to have a war.
You ignorant fuck.
If you really wanted to make that point the place to make it would be Ireland, where slavery was one of the driving engines of the economy. Then Patrick came, converted them to Christianity and they gave it up.
No war required.
Of course they became Catholic, so you don’t really think they count, especially because you think slavery isn’t bad… so long as it’s women who are the slaves.
Seraph: @Kitteh – that was part of it, yes. Part of the shameful compromise that allowed the Constitution to be ratified (see 3/5ths of a person) was that Free States and Slave States would be admitted to the Union in equal numbers. As time went on, there was violent fighting in the Territories as to whether they would be Slave or Free (look up “Bleeding Kansas”), and eventually there were just too few territories that wanted to become Slave States.
I think you are confusing The Missouri Compromise (in the 1830s) with the ratification of the Constitution (ca. 1870).
Angela: And I’m not saying slavery wasn’t a factor of states rights, but it wasn’t the reason.
You are wrong.
Why would the union allow states who still owned slaves to fight for them if the war was fought over slavery? The union cared more about the extra support than they did the slavery issue.
Because the Union was fighting to maintain the Union. Because the secessionist states were fighting for the right to own slaves. Because if the Union had banned slavery outright Maryland, Western Tennessee and Kentucky would probably have joined the Confederacy. So might part of Southern New Jersey.
Wars are as much political as they are materiel, and that was the political football Lincoln chose to kick down the road.
But the South was fighting for the right to keep slaves. The South also started the war.
It wasn’t the only reason the war was fought but it was the main reason, and the fear that Lincoln would “take away our slaves” was the proximate cause.
I’m sure you 100% believe in your opinion. But what was left after the civil war, between the Black Codes and the Jim Crowe laws, while not abject slavery, was pretty horrible. The racism, low pay, and second class citizenship enshrined in one horrible law after another remained in place for almost a fifty years after the civil war. It’s a shame that 1/4 of a million people died to change “slave” to “second class citizen with almost no rights to speak of”. Separate but equal is a mockery of all men being created equal.
And all that has nothing to do with your argument about the war. It has more to do with Lincoln being assassinated than anything else. It has to do with Northern business interests wanting a market in the South, which required access to the markets, which Reconstruction was hindering.
It has to do with a lot of things, not one of which has squat to do with why the war was fought, the political problems of waging it, or any of the other, “teach the controversy” issues you’ve raised.
Lots of people who want to make it out to be that the South wasn’t fighting for the principle of slavery are out there (many on the internet, where Google will find them) trying to muddy the waters.
You are helping them.
When it comes to slaves, don’t forget the Prison Labor Industry.
…you know, I just realized that NWOSlave is Mitt Romney!
No, lookit, do you remember that ad early in the season where they quoted Obama as saying ‘let’s sink the economy and see who they vote for then!’
Leaving out the crucial preceding sentence, ‘and we’ve actually heard people in McCain’s campaign say things like–‘
….so we shouldn’t hate too hard on Owly. It’s hard to keep the quality of your comments up while running for president.
Correction with citation: it’s not ‘sink the economy,’ it’s ‘stop talking about the economy or we’ll lose.’
Link to article.
So I have. Was that second date a typo?
Further evidence Owly is Mitt: now the campaign is doubling down on ‘Obama is gutting welfare-to-work requirements!!’
By granting waivers that give flexibility on HOW you go ‘welfare-to-work.’
WAIVERS MITT ROMNEY ASKED FOR WHEN HE WAS A GOVERNOR.
That sounds like Owly levels of disingenuousness right there.
They must be the same person.
Do your cats love red herring? That’s what this article is There is no civil war between MGTOW and AVFM. BTW, it’s Anglosphere – not man-o-sphere.
“A Vagina for Manginas” says different.
Oh, you’re the entirety of the English-speaking Internet, are you? Or do you just have difficulty understanding terms the first time you encounter them? “Man-o-sphere” refers to the MGTOW sites, AVfM, MRA sites in general. It does not include political sites that don’t address “men’s rights,” Wikipedia, feminist sites, etc.
So I have. Was that second date a typo?
Yes. 😕 I’m still not home, so I’ll blame the stress.
Howard – should we ask Owly what he thought of Meatloaf’s latest effort? 😀
Anglosphere! I like it! “Manosphere”, while it has a nice ring to it, I find it has been ruined by feminists referring to it in a disparaging manner.
I’ve been thinking of introducing the term “Masculosphere” into the lexicon, as well – I may email Elam about it, see if he can’t pull a few strings, as it were.
Will he listen to you more than he did about Tom Martin? You did send a communique about ejecting him from, “The Movement”, right?
As to the exact phrasing… Masculosphere is lacking in euphony perhaps, Mascusphere, or the Realm of Men?
Elam informed me that Tom Martin was on the level – I was incorrect, in other words. I accepted his word, because I did some sleuthing and found that he had gone farther than a fraud would have. So though I disagree with Tom on many things – he is indeed, part of the Movement. And his goals as it regards the Movement are noble; I welcome his assistance. I will not endorse his more vile idea; although furthermore, to be honest, I think he was trolling.
Poor Steele, desperate to pretend he has influential friends who listen to him, when he gets ignored by the whole mob of ’em …
Steele, lad, you know that “Anglosphere” is already a real word, with a real meaning? It refers to the countries that have English as their most common language. It’s not equivalent to your stupid manosphere or whatever you want to call it, even if you are a bunch of whiny entitled white guys.
So you did finally make a friend, Steele? Too bad it’s Elam. But by all means, have him pull some strings to get “Masculosphere” into the lexicon. It’s OK that it’s redundant, look where it came from. Hahaha.
Oh, and “Anglosphere” has been around for a while. Yet another party you’re late to, Steelebutt.
Why do you like it? What does it have to do with men’s rights? It’s a word that encompasses everyone who speaks English (or possibly everyone who’s from England, or is descended from Anglo-Saxons). What is it about the word “Anglosphere” that screams MRA, in your opinion?
Tom Martin referred to child prostitutes as being “…pounded out…” and undeserving of sympathy. Steele, you’re not just an idiot and a piss-poor writer. You’re a coward with no moral center.
Precisely – “Anglosphere” claims prescience in that the Movement will soon encompass all of the Western world.
Did everyone come dressed as a ninja tonight?
You know he didn’t.
Maybe he likes it because only white straight men have rights, according to the MRM?
Tom Martin referred to child prostitutes as being “…pounded out…” and undeserving of sympathy.
Again – trolling, I think it’s quite clear. I do understand the stress activism can put one under; this bizarre trolling may have helped, I don’t know.