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Manosphere Civil War: AVFM fires back at the MGTOW rebels. Also, kitty pics.

Dude against dude. Not sure why the dogs are floating in midair.

Manosphere drama is always a bit surreal. You may recall my post the other day about the feud developing between two sites that are regular sources of material for us here at Man Boobz: MGTOWforums and A Voice for Men. As you may recall, the folks at MGTOWforums were working themselves into a lather because AVFM was committing the cardinal sin of allowing women – sorry, “cunts” – to post articles and comments. The horror!

Now AVFM has fired back. In a thread on AVFM’s relatively new forum, head cheese Paul Elam lashes out at the “MGTOW Forum Fuckwits,” declaring them a bunch of shit-stirring “piss ants” and announcing his plans to turn the AVFM forum into MGTOW central.

I see an opportunity here, This forum is very user friendly to MGTOW’s. MGTOW Forums is the largest one of its kind, but it is run by children. I will happily siphon off as many of the men they ban and shame for not measuring up to their cliquish little band of alpha wannabe’s as I can.

God knows [MGTOWforums admin] Nacho and his bootlickers run them off as quick as they come in.

AVfM is already a more traveled site than their forum, and as time passes the MGTOW presence here will eclipse their little circle jerk.

Speaking of circle jerks, here’s Paul, in an unrelated thread on his forum, banning a dude for having the temerity to suggest that “Reddit, not avoiceformen.com, is the most important online resource for Men’s Rights Activism.”

BANNED! Nothing must challenge the supremacy of PAUL ELAM!

Naturally, I found out about this by reading about it on MGTOWforums, where A Voice for Men is now being dismissed as — I kid you not — “A Vagina For Manginas.”

Still, the strangest development in this civil war is this: some MGTOWers who’ve been banned from AVFM’s forum have set up an alternative forum of their own, which they’ve rather confusingly named “AVFMforums.” Yes, that’s right, it’s a battle between the AVFM forums and … AVFMforums. How can you tell them apart? Well, when the latter group uses the acronym AVFM they mean “Alternate Voice for Men” rather than the original “A Voice for Men.” Also, the dudes at AVFMforums think that AVFM’s Elam is “a lying hippocrite [sic] with no credibility.”

If this is all a bit confusing, perhaps this brief video clip will help elucidate some of the issues here:

Also, for no particular reason, here are two new pictures of Sweetie Pie Jonus, one of my kittens:

Actually, the combatants in this latest mansophere civil war could learn a thing or two from my kittens. They fight, but always seem to end up licking each other’s heads. The kittens, that is. I’d love to see Paul Elam and his critics doing the same.

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chibigodzilla
7 years ago

Would that make this the Battle of “Man Tedium”? *rimshot*

Falconer
7 years ago

Hey, do I smell popcorn?

Falconer
7 years ago

@chibigodzilla: Antietam?

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

@Falconer: Yeah, it was pun of sorts, they’re men, they’re tedious. “Man Tedium” sounds similar to Antietam.

Falconer
7 years ago

@chibigodzilla: I figured that’s what you meant, I just wasn’t certain, probably because I can be unbelievably dense, especially if I’ve checked out for five minutes.

cloudiah
7 years ago

I’ve never had any idea how to pronounce Antietam. 😀

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

I wanna know if one of these clowns has shares in a popcorn company. Their stocks will be soaring. I smell a conspiracy. (And popcorn.)

Mr Sweetie Pie Jonus is gettng so big! He doesn’t look like a kitten, he looks all grown up. ::melts into puddle of awwwwwwwwwwww::

Falconer
7 years ago

@cloudiah: oh my god David really is a big ol’ bete noir for some of these guys, isn’t he?

Also, if that is Schticky, he may want to consider seeking professional help. I’m not sure that kind of obsession is healthy.

He brings to mind a case I worked on in which the father was suing the mother for full custody. The father kept asserting that the mother was bad for the children, but in deposition, he couldn’t remember why she was bad. He kept saying “I can’t remember,” or “I don’t know.” No lie!

the only problem I have is in explaining WHY Schticky brings this case to my mind. Probably it has to do with how certain he is that David is awful, and how citation-free his J’accuse! moments are

Falconer
7 years ago

@Cloudiah: I think it’s pronounced an-tee-sham, although why a straight-up T with no I after it gets the SH treatment I have not the first clue.

I think the actual T with the actual I after it in the word gets a hard T pronunciation is because there’s an N in front of it.

Falconer
7 years ago

OK Jimmy Wales’s Magnificent Octopus says both Ts are hard. I don’t know where I got the SH from, then.

cloudiah
7 years ago

I mispronounce everything — it’s my superpower. Also, I demand equal time for Pantz! Where’s Pantz?!??!?!

thebewilderness
7 years ago

Schticky with his predator bell curve is priceless!

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

Well, ovee here they have a recording of someone saying Antietam. Which is how I’ve always heard it pronounced.

thebewilderness
7 years ago

You can listen to it here, but it does depend to a certain degree, on where you live whether the accent is on the first or second syllable. http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?gganti03.wav=Antietam+Creek

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Cloudiah: Holy shit… that thread. No wonder Al left FTB; you just don’t get that sort of worship there.

Now, I wonder just how fast that would change if he calls bullshit on any of the commenters.

whataboutthemoonz
7 years ago

All the good hippocrite graphics are fat-shaming, except for the one about republicans.

I love your kitties 🙂

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

I’m picturing Kent Brockman here: “There’s been a battle in Ateenum…Atiente… Anthum… Gettysburg!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

Sir Bodsworth – but is it hard G or soft G? That’s one I never know! 😀

David – sorry, I thought from “Jonus” she was a he! She is getting big. That’s only about three pounds off general adult kitty weight, isn’t it? (Assuming 11 pounds/5 kilos is seen as average.)

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
7 years ago

I have an adult kitty who is only seven pounds (and another who is fourteen pounds and scared of the seven-pound cat–seriously, all she has to do is stare at him and he runs away). So Sweetie Pie might be fully grown already.

driversuz
driversuz
7 years ago

Awesome comment thread.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

I can’t stop thinking about about ‘Ken Burns Manosphere Civil War’

It would involve slow pans across black and white photos of the empty venues where cancelled MRA events were once planned, while Sam Waterson, Garrison Keilor and Morgan Freeman read Manosphere posts in deep, sombre voices.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

Unpaid Help, both ‘g’s in Gettysburg are hard, as in go.

princessbonbon
7 years ago

Now I want nachos for dinner. Damn you David!

Falconer
7 years ago

@chibigodzilla: AAAAAAAAAA it’s GLaDOS and British GLaDOS!!

@Sir Bodsworth: Thanks for making me feel young! Didn’t Ken Burns Civil War premiere on PBS just last summer? On a related note, ST:TNG was just cancelled T__T

Falconer
7 years ago

@princessbonbon: Veggie spaghetti here. Mmmmm! It’s a quickie recipe, lacking in exciting and sexy vegetables like eggplant or artichoke, though.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

@ Falconer – Don’t worry about TNG being cancelled. There’s this new show coming out called the X-Files, and I predict great things from it.

nwoslave
7 years ago

@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
“I’m picturing Kent Brockman here: “There’s been a battle in Ateenum…Atiente… Anthum… Gettysburg!”

That’d be Antietam. Around 23,000 casualties that day. Around 650,000 casualties for the entire civil war in a nation of around 28 million white people. Half of which were men. Which means almost 5% of the men were killed or wounded. White Christian men paid a heavy price to erase the stain of slavery.

For much of history in Africa and the Middle East the white slave trade was big business. The fact is, no matter where you go, for most of history slavery was everywhere. And oh yes, even the ladies had their slaves as well.

In the history of the world the only people to ever wage a war to free an enslaved race that wasn’t themselves has been white Christian men. The toll was staggering. Brother killed brother. Kinda makes you proud. Doesn’t it? I wonder what the world would be like if white Christian men hadn’t made such a sacrifice? For all we know slavery might simply be a part of everyday life the world over. I guess we should be grateful. Ridiculing the very people that pretty much ended the worlds casual attitude towards slavery would be stupid.

princessbonbon
7 years ago

@princessbonbon: Veggie spaghetti here. Mmmmm! It’s a quickie recipe, lacking in exciting and sexy vegetables like eggplant or artichoke, though.

I am stuck at a hotel tonight because they are repaving the drives at my condo complex so no way of cooking food.

Nachos it is and the truth is out there.

Graham
7 years ago

Delicious.

But can anyone explain Mr Elam’s forum signature to me? It’s this:

“Zeta masculinity is the radical notion that women are adults.
Fortunately, Zeta femininity has the same notion.”

And I haven’t a clue what that’s supposed to mean.

emilygoddess
7 years ago

@Falconer, why is Wikipedia an Octopus? Does “magnificent octopus” = “magnum opus”?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

OMG Ken Burns doing a series on this! Mindboggling.

Prohibition just finished here this week – another great series of his. But the Civil War … I still think that’s one of the best pieces of television I’ve ever seen.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

“A Vagina for Mangina” – we’ll, it’s nice to see they’ve learnt simple rhetorical techniques.

Also: kittykittykittykittykitty! *squee*

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

That “vagina for mangina” thing is so laughable – they are such utter women-hating losers that they get wound up calling each other manginas, and screaming about the one part of our anatomy they hate and want access to … gods, can’t we just shove them all into an arena and let them fight it out gladiator-style?

Keeping them in gladiator quarters underground would have its advantages, too – removing shitstains like this from society could only be a good thing. 😛

ShadetheDruid
7 years ago

Wait, wait, wait.

So is this evidence of Owly’s Theory of Evolution? I mean, look at the dogs! Clearly superific, what with all the hovering.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

Can’t be … there was no evolution before Darwin and those are seventeenth-century superdogs!

Xenotime
Xenotime
7 years ago

It was on the first of July that the MGTOWs concluded that “going their own way” would lead right through an obscure internet forum called “GettysburgReenactors.org.” The few local residents were chased away when discussion threads about period-specific costume design and park clean-up were forcibly re-purposed as spaces to complain about the injustices of scented candles and “ladies only” nights. The invading army quickly dug in that night, as their scouts had reported a disturbing piece of news: Battle would soon be upon them.

It was one of the great strategic coincidences of the war – Elam’s Army of the Brotomac was in fact only a few miles away, and their cavalry had made initial contact that morning. Almost immediately, fierce fighting occurred between two skirmishing divisions over the merits of the “neg” and the futility of hitting on American women. Hundreds of feelings were wounded on both sides, but this initial phase accomplished little. The real fighting would begin on the following day, and set the stage for the greatest and most decisive single battle in the entire war…

(sad violin music as camera pans over pictures of smashed keyboards)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Zeta masculinity, WTF?

The infighting between MRAs is so cute, but not as cute as Sweetie Pie Jonas. I always picture the MRA fights as kittens hissing; it’s cuter that way and has about as much real world impact.

thebewilderness
7 years ago

“Zeta masculinity is the radical notion that women are adults.
Fortunately, Zeta femininity has the same notion.”

Let me give it a shot.
Those who rigidly conform to the comic book stereotypes of my youth are the only real true Zetas.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

“Army of the Brotomac.” That is excellent.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

But can anyone explain Mr Elam’s forum signature to me? It’s this:

“Zeta masculinity is the radical notion that women are adults.
Fortunately, Zeta femininity has the same notion.”

And I haven’t a clue what that’s supposed to mean.

It’s one part “Alpha males and Beta males? WELL HOW ABOUT ZETA MALES!!!” (I think we’re supposed to think Zeta=Z and hence it is the lowest possible social status, but Zeta is only the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet)

and one part super-crummy attempt by MRAs to rip off the line “feminism is the radical notion that women are people.” Not content to wear the anti-feminist nature of the MRM on his sleeve, Elam decided to combine them both in a super-obscure exercise in pointless meme-masturbation for his MRM pals.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

“Army of the Brotomac” – brilliant.

Now there’s got to be a way to incorporate Lincoln’s “if you’re not using the army could I borrow it for a while” letter.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

I do love the adolescent-style meme ratcheting the MRM likes to engage in. Red Pill isn’t cutting it anymore? Try the BLACK PILL! Have you decided that “Beta male” isn’t adequate to describe the sheer weight of the feminist boot on your neck pushing you into the mud? Try “Zeta Male” on for size!

What’s next? NNNNAWALT as a rejoinder to NAWALT? Will the term Hypergamy prove insufficient to describe the penis-lust of cock-carousel riding she-devils—forcing the wordsmiths of the MRM to coin Ludicrousgamy?

Mark my words: it’s only a matter of time before the MRM goes plaid.

Graham
7 years ago

I get the “feminism is the radical notion…” ripoff. Still not sure what Zeta femininity is supposed to be.

Who are the Zeta feminists? Is it Girlwriteswhat?

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

oh look they’re eating each other, how cute

Nova
Nova
7 years ago

Oh, they did some script flipping!

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then you turn on eachother
Then you’re a meaningless footnote on Wikipedia

However will my ladybrain deal with this unexpected turn of events?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

It’s like zombies! Except zombies are legitimately adorable.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Apparently, it’s defined here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2012/06/29/meet-the-zeta-female

This is one of the people promising to finally deliver the “real” empowerment feminism has purportedly failed to deliver:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/how-a-limp-dick-can-save-the-world/

Choice quote:

So if we’re going to talk about human male potency it should be spoken of in terms of the type of sexuality male humans actually have, not the artificial sexuality they are expected to have. In that sense male potency is about its effect on human female psychology, it’s elevation of the human female from livestock to co-creator. That’s human male potency.

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