Melodramatic MGTOWer: “Though they may deny it, [women] are, in essence, overgrown children crying out for leadership.”

EEB – that stuff is so fucked up words just fail.

Melody – cyber hugs if you want them.

Why can’t all the humans who do this stuff just turn into cats?

@the Kitteh’s unpaid help
But if they turned into cats you would never know if the cat you have was a sweet lovable cat or a monster.

Thank you so much for the Visionary Daughters site, EEB. This shit is comedy gold.

Some might say that since your universe is a fantasy universe, God’s ethical system does not apply. But if His moral standard doesn’t have jurisdiction over this film – if, since this film isn’t a “Christian” film, we shouldn’t require it to line up with the Bible – then who could dare say bumping your mother out of the way would be wrong? Who’s to say any other solution would be morally better? Are we admitting that there is some overarching standard after all?

We’ve got good news for you: You, Rapunzel, imaginary creature though you are, are not ultimately under the lordship of Disney Studios, but of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 commands all men to “take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” – which means every imagination, every script page, and every film frame. Christ demands that every man’s mind and the stuff in it bow the knee, and that would include you. And His moral system – His law – is still the standard by which your moral system must be measured. In other words, stabbing your mother would be wrong, not because it’s not the sort of thing a nice girl with a dream would do, not because it would be politically incorrect, not because it would disturb children – but because it breaks one of His commandments (Ex. 20:13). And that’s why, even though you’re a fairy tale creature, we’re going to respond to you as though you were a real person.

You know, Disney tend to be rather, um, enthusiastic about enforcing their copyright. If it comes down to Disney versus Jesus, my money’s on Disney winning that lawsuit.

@ EEB and Melody: I’m so sorry to hear what happened to you. {{{healing hugs}}} if they’ll help and you want them.

For quiverfull research, those sites are probably some of the best (worst?) to start with. Once you delve into some of the odder adherents, it gets really hair raising. The high risk unassisted home births with no prenatal care, husbands deciding to quit their jobs to read the Bible for years leaving their enormous families in abject poverty, the “frugal fever” with children sleeping on Costco shelving, rather than in real beds. It’s pretty sick and disturbing.

(TW for pedo yuckiness.)

Voddie Baucham and Maranatha Chapman are pretty interesting, from a pedo squicky standpoint. Voddie stated, point blank that men leave their wives because they want the affections of younger women and that God gave them a daughter for that. No, seriously. He actually said that: http://www.thatmom.com/2009/11/19/voddie-baucham-explains-the-video-clip-on-older-men-yearning-for-younger-women/

Maranatha Chapman was married to a 27 year old at the ripe old age of 15 ( I may be wrong on the ages, but not by much.) He’d noticed her and expressed interest in her a few years prior, making her somewhere around… 12. Their daughter was also married as a teenager to a man almost twice her age. http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000151.php

Those thinking that this is a cover for pedophilia don’t seem to be too far off the mark, in some cases.

This thread has simultaneously made me cry and laugh.

Quiverful movement sounds terrifying. This is the exact reason why, in case of home schooling, I say f*ck freedom of choice and applaud my country for making regular, public elementary education obligatory.

Makes me hopeful it weeds out the worst of this sh*t. *rages on*

But if they turned into cats you would never know if the cat you have was a sweet lovable cat or a monster.

I think the all-encompassing ebil of Basement Cat, and the all-encompassing goodness of Ceiling Cat, combine to wipe out the human monstrousness and replace it with kitty monstrousness/cuteness.

I had one cat who was a real health hazard. He left such gouges in my arm once (not long after I got him and didn’t know he had a thing about being patted from the front) that my workmates said I looked like I’d been got at by a vampire with bad aim.

Ugh, these people have such messed up relationships with their bodies. From an article about “modest” clothing.

To wear inadequate clothing is to deny that you are a sinner and that you need a Saviour. Immodesty is actually a denial of the gospel, and it has no place in the life of a believer. Wearing inadequate clothing says that you don’t need God’s covering, that you don’t think you’re sinful, or that you are content in your sin. Calvin said that immodesty was an expression of despising the Master, “who intended clothing to be a sign of shame.”

And to think that I used to think the “dirty pillows” thing from Carrie was a bit over the top.

Quiverful movement sounds terrifying. This is the exact reason why, in case of home schooling, I say f*ck freedom of choice and applaud my country for making regular, public elementary education obligatory

I don’t quite agree. Homeschooling can be a hellhole of ideological indoctrination, but I’ve known quite a few people who’ve homeschooled or are homeschooling their children because the local public schools weren’t giving their children a good education. Either because the children in question had learning disabilities (namely dyslexia and AD/HD) that the local systems couldn’t really deal well with or because the kids were too far advanced of their peers in at least some subjects, and the school systems wouldn’t bump the kids up a grade – thus resulting in board, troublemaking kids. And in one instance, my cousin was homeschooled for a year to avoid having to be in classes with her rapist. The school didn’t believe the rape had occurred, and thus wouldn’t switch their classes.

So yea, while homeschooling can be bad, I don’t think it’s fair to say it *always* is.

I didn’t say that it *always* is. I’m just basing my assumption on my experiences (which are not from US anyway). I am personally very vocal against home schooling because I think the amount of bad it can create simply outweighs the amount of good.

Granted, I’ve also seen the amount of work/preps that is required for kids who, as you say, wouldn’t normally fit in. I guess our schooling systems are different?

In short, from my perspective, I do not want kids removed from the reach of trained professionals and social services, because the kids I see most typically unable to fit in are the ones that require the social services the most.

Hugs for everyone who wants them.

This has nothing to do with anything, but do any Wonder Woman readers know who the Tim she’s referring to in the image for this post is? The only Tim I know of in DC Comics is Tim Drake, and I really don’t want to imagine Diana falling in love witha Robin…

I was raised according to the principles described in comments here about (hitherto unknown to me) new patriarchal movements. However, my childhood was ages ago, and my parents were very traditional Roman Catholics. I escaped abuse, although approached a few times by male authority figures, because I was a naturally suspicious child. I hated the way my family was run. My father was the supreme authority, answerable in theory to the priests but in practical terms only to god. My mother answered to him, and we numerous children were to be seen and not heard.

I hated to defer to male authority. I hated my father and the priests. Every day was an exercise in unfairness and male privilege. To this day, I cannot work for a male boss. It brings back all those feelings of submission, oppression, and powerlessness.

From the Millipede story, this sums up most of the married MRAs I see:

What it did make me realize is that for all of my ex’s attempts to forbid me from leaving, he really wasn’t that attached. I think that this is true with a lot of men who don’t want to let go. The wife that they have come secretly loath is still a bastion of support and comfort. They hate loosing the safety net; that’s all.

They do not care about their wives, they just want someone to keep doing the housework and be there when needed.