Everyone knows that choosy mothers choose Jif. But when it comes to men rather than peanut butter, apparently choosy women are choosing THE END OF CIVILIZATION by not choosing to date the sorts of nice fellows who later become bitter misogynistic Men Going Their Own Way. In a post over on MGTOWforums.com, Todd1968 spells out the dire “societal cost of women’s pickiness.” (And, yes, we’ve heard this complaint before.)
“[N]one of us came out of the womb as MGTOWs,” he writes.
Most of us arrived here after a long process, during which we struggled to resist taking the red pill.
While some of us arrived here after a nasty divorce, many, I believe, came here as a result of the “nice guy” syndrome: After discovering the extreme superficiality of women’s preferences in the dating market, we decided that the game wasn’t worth the candle. (This often included an encounter with a cynical gold-digger single mom who wanted us to foot the bill for a “bad boy’s” offspring. For me, this was the final straw.)
I’ll have “shit that never happened” for $500, Alex.
And so we become “loners.” The media likes to portray us as “dangerous”, and the .00001% of loners who do turn violent animate the news and the fem-centric blogosphere. The fact is, though, that 99.999% of us simply drop out of social interaction and courtship, or “ghost.”
While this is a solution that works for us, it is not socially optimal. Society would have been better served if we had become husbands and fathers.
Having read a good number of these bitter MGTOW rants, I’m pretty sure most of you dudes would make terrible husbands and/or fathers. I’m thinking that “society” dodged a bullet here.
And I believe that this is what most of us wanted at one time. For example, I talk a lot about escorts and sugar babies; but this wasn’t what I envisioned for myself at 20 or 25.
Women choosing not to date Todd1968? Superficial. Dudes paying money to have sex with “hot” women half their age? Super smart!
Here is the point: By choosing to exclude so many men from consideration, alpha-hunting feminists have taken a large number of good fathers (and their children) out of the population.
Uh, dude, you hate feminists. Why would you even care who they’re dating? Or have you conflated “feminist” with “all women,” as is so often the case with you dudes?
How many intelligent men will never be fathers because they were “boring nice guys” in their teens and 20s?
On the other hand, many women are going out of their way to breed with “bad boys,” who will shirk fatherhood completely.
In the world of MGTOW, when a father abandons a mother and child it’s always 100% the fault of the mother.
When looked at in the aggregate, modern feminist behavior in the dating pool has some quite deleterious effects for the future of society, wouldn’t you say?
Again, I’m having trouble seeing “women not dating so-called ‘nice guys’ who are actually misogynistic dickheads” as a major social problem.
Just in case you thought Todd here might actually be casting aspersions on Alpha Males, he clarifies his intentions with a second comment:
My point is certainly not to imply that all alpha males are dicks, or irresponsible. (The “bad boys” are another story, of course.) The problem isn’t the existence of a male hierarchy; the problem is the unrealistic expectations of the average woman.
Never blame men for anything; the blame can always be traced back to some evil woman.
The problem arose when feminism and entitlement ideology caused women to lose their grasp of what psychologists call “reciprocity.” It used to be that the 10% of alpha males took the top 10% of women; and everyone else paired up with their opposite gender equivalents. This meant that almost everyone got paired up.
[citation needed]
But … today’s woman regards the majority of men as “below average” or unattractive. That is a recipe for 90% of the female attention directed at 10% of the men–with the rest being all but ignored.
[citation needed again]
This doesn’t serve either men or women. Many of us know first-hand how it doesn’t serve men. But it also results in a lot of women becoming “Sex-in-the-City” spinsters.
Sex AND the city. Sex AAANNNNDDDD the City.
Seriously, dudes of the manosphere, if you’re going to cite a TV show that ceased production 8 years ago as your go-to cultural reference, at least get the name right.
For example, my cousin is 40 years old and single. In her prime, she was just attractive enough to become the second-tier choice of some alpha male; but she never made the final cut. Throughout her twenties and into her thirties, she slept with guys who were a notch above her league.
Uh, if they were happily sleeping with her, wouldn’t that suggest that they were actually in the same league? How do these leagues work, anyway?
Meanwhile, I remember a responsible “nice guy” who patiently hung around in her “friend zone” for years. (She used him as a social spare tire.)
If a woman hooks up with a “bad boy” and gets abandoned with a kid, this is completely the woman’s fault. If a “nice guy” hangs around with a woman who’s not interested in him for years on end, this is completely the woman’s fault also?
Finally, Mr. Nice Guy went away–along with the alpha males.
My cousin is no longer hot at all. Now she laments at Thanksgiving dinners about how her biological clock is ticking. I have tried to set her up with a few of my male friends. But of course, none of them match her expectations–which are still calibrated to the days when she was a mid-tier hottie.
Women rejecting a “nice guy” in favor of guys they think are hot = social calamity, and the fault of evil women.
Men rejecting women because they’re no longer “mid-tier hotties” = sweet, sweet justice!
The ongoing MRM insistence on the 80/20 thing is particularly lulzy in light of the fact that marriage statistics are a thing that most governments keep track of. Even looking just at those and excluding all non-marriage hetero relationships we can already see that more than 20% of men are partnered.
Cassandra, there you go again, pretending that reality matters…
That must be where Steele lives, on Planet Anti-Reality. It’s located in the Bullshit system, close to the LOLSeriously? nebula.
Do you have any evidence that it’s not? I’d love a citation for the 80/20 rule, if it’s what I think it is.
Says – First of all, while I admit I do sometimes wind up Boobzland for my own admittedly puerile amusement, for the most part, I mean what I say. “Trolling” is often a tactic used to dismiss the messenger out-of-hand.
Secondly, the marriage statistics notwithstanding, I assume the 80/20 proponents are referring to premarital relationships. Most, I believe, will eventually find somebody – life is a long draught from alternating bitter and sweet water. But some will have no one until they are married – I would imagine that would be difficult. I certainly would not like it.
(Genuinely curious. It’d be interesting if men are more likely to go unpartnered than women.)
Apparently Planet Anti-Reality is big on arranged marriages, which is how so many people there end up married in spite of never having had any previous relationships or being able to get anyone to even consider dating them.
Well, you’ve been pulled up quite a few times for opining on stuff that you freely admit you don’t know the details about, but you’ve never had the class to acknowledge your error. I’d say that’s pretty dismissive and trollish.
NerdyPants, again, in each of those instances I’ve been able to make reasoned inferences w/ inductive reasoning; furthermore, I’ve yet to be proven wrong.
Oh, you’ve been proven wrong over and over, Steelepole — just because you do the internet equivalent of covering your ears and chanting “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you” over and over doesn’t mean it isn’t so.
Yeah? Tell me, how does one use inductive reasoning to compare Creepshots to TubeCrush and TapThatGuy when one has never even seen what’s on Creepshots? Are you magical or something?
Steele, only 26% of the US population lives in single-person households, which includes men and women and everyone from young adults at 18 through senior citizens, and more women live alone than men (17 million versus 13 million). Living in a single person household does not preclude being in a relationship, however, which suggests that 80% of American men are not languishing discarded by stupid bitches for being too beta to be with. In fact, 13 million of 308 is about 4%, I believe, of the male population that is currently living alone (excluding prison populations and men in the service who live in shared quarters).
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-14.pdf
You know that his next argument is going to be that most of those partnered men have wives who won’t sleep with them or who don’t worship them enough and so they are, in a sense; truly and fundamentally – alone.
(Trying to write like Steele makes my head hurt.)
::hands CassandraSays a nice cup of tea for that headache::
Hey, how cool is this – catnip tea is a thing!
And it should be served like this.
Steele, you fucking moron. Read what you just wrote. Read it.
Who is using confirmation bias? Posters here are providing both statistical and anecdotal evidence to show why the 80/20 rule is complete bullshit. You are telling us that you’re reading the anonymous posts of men who are not in relationships and this, some how, makes the 80/20 rule more valid?
Do you understand what confirmation bias means?
I believe catnip is a kind of mint, so in theory that should taste OK.
That’s probably confirmation bias because I’m mint tea privileged, though. We should double-check with some anonymous blogs from angry people who hate both mint and cats just to be sure.
One would hope so. I like peppermint tea as a stomach-soother, but I still have to dump sweetener in it to make it drinkable. My favourite tea is Orange Pekoe with milk and sweetener. Now that’s one thing that would take a bit of getting used to living in the US – creamer or whatever it’s called, instead of just ordinary milk, in tea and coffee.
God, you’re a terrible writer.
“One would hope so” as in “should taste OK”, of course! 😀
Steele, I just looked through my facebook friends. Of the 280 guys I am friends with, only 29 had never been in a relationship or had sex with a woman. 23 are gay, one is asexual, four are age 15 oryounger and one is a devout Catholic who is voluntarily celibate. Thats hardly 80%.
I’ve lived in the US all my life -excepting travel, of course- and I put milk in my tea. Most places that sell coffee and tea always have 2% and whole milk as options. I don’t think it’s that unusual.
😀 @ Cassandra. “While I freely grant that I am not familiar with the particular details of partnership statistics, with regards to the relative proportions of single men and women – and certainly both sides may have similar values – those statistics notwithstanding, one can infer that men have more difficulty obtaining a partner; the point is the sentiment behind those statistics.”
Nobinayamu – thank goodness for that! Presumably I lucked out, most of the places I went seemed to be all for the creamer.
Hmm, that must mean that everyone who actually lives in the US is suffering confirmation bias and there’s really no milk at all …