Over on the A Voice for Men forums – yes, they have forums – one Man Going His Own Way spells out exactly what he means by His Own Way. Here’s misterbill:
For me, MGTOW has three major components:
1. Refusal to cohabitate with a woman
2. Avoidance of fatherhood like the plague
3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)
These are the core elements, IMO.
I’m not celibate, I get sexual satisfaction from several call-girls that I’ve built good rapport with over a few years. I’ll visit one of these women whenever I feel like it, usually once a month or so.
I have what I would describe as a female companion who others would describe as my girlfriend. We don’t have sex, not because I’m not attracted to her, but because my fear of possibly getting her pregnant petrifies me beyond belief. So we hang out 2 days a week and have very nice times together, going on about 5 years. She understands my beliefs and that we will never live together and that I don’t believe in the myth of love.
So I’m MGHOW, but not without women.
I’m 41 and fairly wealthy. In my 20s and through to of my early 30s ( although I wasn’t a PUA) I studied game theory and in combination with other aspects of my life, I had no trouble getting laid. Then a woman made a false accusation against me (and was further slandered by another), and I began to wake up to the perils of having sex with (and interacting with) strange women. The risks outweighed the benefits, and I turned to going my own way.
I travel on business frequently and the one exception to my rule with being alone with strange women is the easy pickings while traveling. There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women. Gents, her vows mean NOTHING once she gets on a plane without you. Although I wouldn’t allow any of these women into my home, I accept the risk when I’m traveling. And there is always a risk of running into a psycho who is ready to explode.
I don’t really have any jokes here. But I will note that his story doesn’t make a lick of sense; I find it literally unbelievable.
He’s so paranoid about women because of a “false accusation” leveled against him back when he pursued women using “game theory” that he literally refuses to be in the same room with “strange women” – or even interact with them. Yet when he’s traveling he suggests he routinely has sex with “strange” married women. Huh? These women could still get pregnant; these women could still make accusations, false or otherwise, against him. Does he feel safe because he can skip town in a hurry to avoid the possible consequences of his actions?
He’s (allegedly) been involved in a 2-day-a-week relationship, for five years, with a woman he’s sexually attracted to. But he refuses to have sex with her because he’s terrified of getting her pregnant. If he’s that worried about getting her pregnant, and generally wants to “avoid … fatherhood like the plague,” why doesn’t he get a vasectomy? If, after he sleeps with a married woman in a strange city, she gets pregnant with his child, does he simply assume she’ll never be able to track him down?
I’m going to assume that most if not all of what misterbill is saying here is bullshit. But if he does indeed live his life in way that even vaguely resembles how he says he does, it’s a rather sad and strange and paranoid way to live.
Isn’t “mature lady” in MRA terms about 26?
And I have a comment in moderation… I suspect it’s because I used terms Otis used.
Blitzgal: I checked her CV, she has a degree in Social Psychology.
Which is probably why she (and a lot of other SocPsych types) are in Marketing.
Dude. So Todd Akin switched to his middle name when he became a politician to hide the fact that he’s been arrested three times under his given name “William” as one of those assholes who harass women outside of abortion clinics. Just no.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/akin-was-arrested-at-least-three-times-during-s-abortion/article_daebda70-1d5b-11e2-9adc-0019bb30f31a.html
I read this story just one day after an anti-abortion protester actually stabbed someone seven times for confronting him after he’d had an altercation with the victim’s daughter outside of a Planned Parenthood THAT DOESN’T EVEN PROVIDE ABORTIONS.
@blitzgal
Yeah, it’s just nuts. There are so few abortion clinics in my state that the forced-birthers are pathetically protesting and bombing any women’s health clinic. And then there’s the guy who stands on Main Street every once in a while, because clearly that copy shop is providing both printer cartridges and gruesome, back-room abortions. Or maybe it’s the Pizza Hut.
Uh oh, the MRAs are going to flip out over this one: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-10/uoc–wss102312.php
Women who are ovulating feel “closer” to their attractive partners, but not to unattractive partners. Hmm.
I don’t think it was, “to hide” his activities. He’s sort of proud of them. I’d guess it’s because “William” isn’t a strong name; when married to Akin, and “Bill” was tainted by Clinton.
Still seems shady to me.
What is the GIF? It’s fantastic!
Off topic funny thing I found!: http://www.upworthy.com/boom-roasted-heres-why-you-dont-ask-a-feminist-to-hawk-your-sexist-product?c=ufb1
What is ‘what the gif’? What the gooey incestuous fuck?
Ahaha, apparently they sold them on amazon: the sarcasm in the comments thread, omg, the laughter darn near killed me.
You know, the animated GIF on the OP?
Shiraz:
A call girl is a specific type of prostitute — usually one who works away from the streets and by appointment. Kind of a specialist, if you will, and usually a well-paid one.
@Sandy, your comments about “a waste of good men” jolted me – do you really feel that way? It seems like a really utilitarian view of another person to suggest that their life is wasted if they aren’t doing a certain thing with it, such as marrying, or parenting, or working for the space program, or whatever. I think MGHOWs are funny, but I don’t begrudge them their autonomy in the slightest. If someone is doing what they want with their life, then it’s not wasted, IMO.
The reason that women you encounter while traveling can’t level “false” accusations against you is that after you totally-didn’t-rape-them, you leave town and are hard to find. Especially if you give them false details about yourself, like a fake name or tell them you’re from somewhere that you’re not. The cops won’t be able to find you and file “false” charges.
thenatfantastic, thanks for that post, it was really interesting.
I have nothing to say about the MGTOW post other than, I thought all their stories were made up.
Vitamin D, I saw that post,too. Ellen did a great job, she should have a regular segment like that. The blogosphere can help, She’s a mega star and could draw loads of attention to gendered products. And it’s not just that she’s a mega star, it’s that people really love and trust Ellen, they want to live and laugh in her world. I hope she does more of that.
Holy shit, is this the real Amanda? What are you doing on a board that isn’t a “safe space”?
Haven’t read any of your stuff for a few months. Remember when you bashed Natalie Portman for thanking her husband at the Academy Awards despite the fact that she is like 10 billion times hotter than you?
Remember when you stole that work from that Latina blogger and claimed it as your own?
p.s.: I happen to know for a fact that you have cheated on your man.
Rebecca Watson again: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/10/sexism_in_the_skeptic_community_i_spoke_out_then_came_the_rape_threats.html
whoah frietag that is an uber cool picture they are using of her (which is so important I guess lol) and I love the way that article opens. Slate, huh? Good on them.
Otis, let me ask you something. What is the MRA thing about Man Boobz? It says right below the title that this is a site about mocking misogyny. David Futrelle hunts down interesting and amusing examples of misogyny online and reposts them here to be made fun of, and links directly to the original source. What’s the MRA beef with that? MRAs find lovely things like the SCUM Manifesto to mock, as it should be. SCUM is an outlier, so is much of what Futrelle posts here.
If you’re here to debate, shouldn’t you be defending misogyny and explaining why it shouldn’t be mocked? Or something similar, anyway.
Just asking.
I’m not an MRA, although I did post on an MRA board a few years back I have since lost interest in the movement, if you can even call it that.
If you’re here to debate, shouldn’t you be defending misogyny
I do defend misogyny
SCUM is an outlier, so is much of what Futrelle posts here.
And that’s the problem. You are picking on asocial freaks. You are mocking weirdos for your own entertainment. Even Feministing and Jezebel only attack misogyny from the real world. What you guys do hear is the equivalent of mocking Star Wars blogs except worse because the guys you are picking on are even more marginal.
Basically you want to be bullies but you don’t want to feel bad about it, so you pick freaks who have a politically incorrect ideology.
I hope Amanda has a good home alarm system, because Otis’s fixation on her is pretty creepy.
Hey, Otis not liking you is all the props I need- welcome to the comments section, Amanda!
Triggar warning for rape:
Ah yeah, just utilized the google- the Duke lacrosse team thing. Sooo much creepy creeptacularity in that situation. Considering the wiki page says something along the lines of ‘by her own admission she consumed alcohol and a muscle relaxant before coming to the party’ I am pretty fucking skeptical about why those charges were dropped. Do we ‘admit’ to consuming alcohol and prescription medication before going out to party, or do we just say we did? Because we are fucking adults and that’s what adults do? And holy fuck, skimmed down to the bit about broomsticks and genital injuries and I just got a whole lot more skeptical. This is the case the MRM uses as proof men are falsely accused of rape all the time? Seriously?