Over on the A Voice for Men forums – yes, they have forums – one Man Going His Own Way spells out exactly what he means by His Own Way. Here’s misterbill:
For me, MGTOW has three major components:
1. Refusal to cohabitate with a woman
2. Avoidance of fatherhood like the plague
3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)
These are the core elements, IMO.
I’m not celibate, I get sexual satisfaction from several call-girls that I’ve built good rapport with over a few years. I’ll visit one of these women whenever I feel like it, usually once a month or so.
I have what I would describe as a female companion who others would describe as my girlfriend. We don’t have sex, not because I’m not attracted to her, but because my fear of possibly getting her pregnant petrifies me beyond belief. So we hang out 2 days a week and have very nice times together, going on about 5 years. She understands my beliefs and that we will never live together and that I don’t believe in the myth of love.
So I’m MGHOW, but not without women.
I’m 41 and fairly wealthy. In my 20s and through to of my early 30s ( although I wasn’t a PUA) I studied game theory and in combination with other aspects of my life, I had no trouble getting laid. Then a woman made a false accusation against me (and was further slandered by another), and I began to wake up to the perils of having sex with (and interacting with) strange women. The risks outweighed the benefits, and I turned to going my own way.
I travel on business frequently and the one exception to my rule with being alone with strange women is the easy pickings while traveling. There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women. Gents, her vows mean NOTHING once she gets on a plane without you. Although I wouldn’t allow any of these women into my home, I accept the risk when I’m traveling. And there is always a risk of running into a psycho who is ready to explode.
I don’t really have any jokes here. But I will note that his story doesn’t make a lick of sense; I find it literally unbelievable.
He’s so paranoid about women because of a “false accusation” leveled against him back when he pursued women using “game theory” that he literally refuses to be in the same room with “strange women” – or even interact with them. Yet when he’s traveling he suggests he routinely has sex with “strange” married women. Huh? These women could still get pregnant; these women could still make accusations, false or otherwise, against him. Does he feel safe because he can skip town in a hurry to avoid the possible consequences of his actions?
He’s (allegedly) been involved in a 2-day-a-week relationship, for five years, with a woman he’s sexually attracted to. But he refuses to have sex with her because he’s terrified of getting her pregnant. If he’s that worried about getting her pregnant, and generally wants to “avoid … fatherhood like the plague,” why doesn’t he get a vasectomy? If, after he sleeps with a married woman in a strange city, she gets pregnant with his child, does he simply assume she’ll never be able to track him down?
I’m going to assume that most if not all of what misterbill is saying here is bullshit. But if he does indeed live his life in way that even vaguely resembles how he says he does, it’s a rather sad and strange and paranoid way to live.
Why do I now have the image of a woman, baseball glove on hand, poised to catch any random sperm?
As someone with a low sex drive the relationship he has sounds ideal if he wasn’t a jerk.
@ Kittehs, I am reminded of this game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Goes_to_Hollywood_(video_game) which I bought for my C64 back in the day… 🙂
I studied game theory in combination with other aspects of my life. Then a woman made a false accusation against me, but I didn’t hold it against her because she was just playing the dominant strategy towards the Nash equilibrium, and frankly I’d have done the same to her. It’s a tragically common scenario.
you have to be a real sick fuck to pick on guys like this. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
So, he doesn’t know about condoms? He’s intensely afraid of being alone with women, but he goes with hookers…and I assume he doesn’t take a buddy along to watch the sex…just in case. Why are married women safe to be with? He probably has a reason for including this point in his, ahem, narrative, but I can’t be sure what it is.
He’s rich, and can probably afford a vasectomy.
This bit:
“There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women.”
Yeah, sure you do, bubba. My married friends tell me a lot of secrets, and this isn’t one of them. I’m not saying no married women cheat, but he’s making sound like the 500 mile rule is a common practice. I mean, maybe for “The Real Housewives of Orange County” or whatever, but errrr…
I think he thinks proclaiming that he’d never live with a woman or procreate would shock and awe many of us women readers.
Well, it doesn’t. I didn’t think, “Awwwwww, too bad! Another good one that got away.”
No, I thought, “Whew! Thank god!”
These two rules of his make sense; he shouldn’t procreate or live with any woman — ever.
These guys….these fucking dudebros, you’d think accusing someone of rape was an easy process — like ordering a pizza. I guess going through life with blinders on can limited your knowledge of…um…reality.
Otis, go away. You’re boring, and make an easy punching bag.
Otis- sick to pick on remorseless rapists? Remorseless rapists who seem to have escaped justice? Yeah, how do I look at myself in the mirror in the morning?
Ha ha ha, the guy watched that George Clooney movie about frequent flyers hooking up and quite naturally, for a teenager, assumed that it was a documentary.
Sssssh. Everyone be quiet. Otis is trying to think of a rebuttal.
Kitteh – Where you been, Steely boy!
David – Oh? I assumed he meant game theory as opposed to “game” since he mentions not being a PUA. But maybe I shouldn’t look for logic here.
Entertaining nonetheless…
Otis is trying to
think of a refind his buttal.with a map.FTFY. 😉
His sweatiness messed up his keyboard
Hmmm. Still nothing. I guess he’s trying to find that map Kitteh mentioned.
Otis, are you saying this person, this highly successful person according to himself, may be telling an untruth? If so, would you please just say so clearly and unambiguously?
Thanks in advance. Your honesty in addressing such things would be valuable in creating a balanced discussion.
And please ask other MRAs to be equally clear in their expression. Do you support, not support, etc. It would make for a better discussion environment.
Freitag, you know asking MRAs to write in intelligible English is misandry!
That’s an excellent point, Freitag.
I’d even give odds that the “false accusations” part is based on any more reality than the rest. It reads like an MRA madlib. “Write down one complaint about women. Two situations in which you can have contact with women without allowing them any respect or autonomy. One statement of your own level of wealth and power.”
The whole thing appears to be a crazy contortion in which the poster establishes his MGOTW bona fides while at the same time beating the “but do not be mistaken, I am a virile alpha male” drum.
You can’t have your cake and stick your dick in it.
Or you can, but the rest of the world will find it hard to swallow.
Otis I feel like you’re not really trying today.
Are you ok? Have you been getting enough sleep?
A judge will never order you to pay child support on an STI.
Oh, man, I’d love to buy a boat,but these herpes payment are killing me.
Definitely bullshit.
@clairedammit LOL!
@David: Nothing gets the ladies excited like the Month Hall Problem
Dammit, that’s the Monty Hall Problem
@chibigodzilla that is such a cool problem because you can see that the best solution is to switch if you run simulations, but the best solution is so counter-intuitive. 🙂 Is it game theory?
And the image I get when I read the gems posted by people like misterbill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN12qHstCCU (up to the last little bit, anyways).