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A Man Going His Own Way explains his quite possibly imaginary life

Another good reason to avoid strange women.

Over on the A Voice for Men forums – yes, they have forums – one Man Going His Own Way spells out exactly what he means by His Own Way. Here’s misterbill:

For me, MGTOW has three major components:

1. Refusal to cohabitate with a woman

2. Avoidance of fatherhood like the plague

3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)

These are the core elements, IMO.

I’m not celibate, I get sexual satisfaction from several call-girls that I’ve built good rapport with over a few years. I’ll visit one of these women whenever I feel like it, usually once a month or so.

I have what I would describe as a female companion who others would describe as my girlfriend. We don’t have sex, not because I’m not attracted to her, but because my fear of possibly getting her pregnant petrifies me beyond belief. So we hang out 2 days a week and have very nice times together, going on about 5 years. She understands my beliefs and that we will never live together and that I don’t believe in the myth of love.

So I’m MGHOW, but not without women.

I’m 41 and fairly wealthy. In my 20s and through to of my early 30s ( although I wasn’t a PUA) I studied game theory and in combination with other aspects of my life, I had no trouble getting laid. Then a woman made a false accusation against me (and was further slandered by another), and I began to wake up to the perils of having sex with (and interacting with) strange women. The risks outweighed the benefits, and I turned to going my own way.

I travel on business frequently and the one exception to my rule with being alone with strange women is the easy pickings while traveling. There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women. Gents, her vows mean NOTHING once she gets on a plane without you. Although I wouldn’t allow any of these women into my home, I accept the risk when I’m traveling. And there is always a risk of running into a psycho who is ready to explode.

I don’t really have any jokes here.  But I will note that his story doesn’t make a lick of sense; I find it literally unbelievable.

He’s so paranoid about women because of a “false accusation” leveled against him back when he pursued women using “game theory” that he literally refuses to be in the same room with “strange women” – or even interact with them. Yet when he’s traveling he suggests he routinely has sex with “strange” married women. Huh? These women could still get pregnant; these women could still make accusations, false or otherwise, against him.  Does he feel safe because he can skip town in a hurry to avoid the possible consequences of his actions?

He’s (allegedly) been involved in a 2-day-a-week relationship, for five years, with a woman he’s sexually attracted to. But he refuses to have sex with her because he’s terrified of getting her pregnant.  If he’s that worried about getting her pregnant, and generally wants to “avoid … fatherhood like the plague,” why doesn’t he get a vasectomy? If, after he sleeps with a married woman in a strange city, she gets pregnant with his child, does he simply assume she’ll never be able to track him down?

I’m going to assume that most if not all of what misterbill is saying here is bullshit. But if he does indeed live his life in way that even vaguely resembles how he says he does, it’s a rather sad and strange and paranoid way to live.

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Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Those are all good points; surely a sensible person would not act in those ways.

On the other hand, MGTOW.

pecunium
8 years ago

A “Gamer” who was, “falsely” accused? Inconceivable!!!!

Of course he’s wealthy (pretty much has to be to have a stable relationship with several call-girls.

WAIT! What? He is willing to risk a false accusation when he’s travelling on business?

He’s just ASKING to be falsely accused. We all know the she-harpies who go on business trips are looking to scalp a successful man; they need to, or they can’t take his place.

popcornculturejunkie
popcornculturejunkie
8 years ago

He doesn’t want to sleep with his ‘companion’ of 2 days a week for 5 years…but has a ‘good rapport’ with call girls? I guess according to this man’s twisted logic (if we can call it that), call girls are immune from pregnancy. If he is as wealthy as he says he is, a vasectomy WOULD be the best thing for him. But…I’m going to have to call bullshit on this man’s story. 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I’ll assume it’s all bullshit.

Misterbill, MGTOW means GOING, not having your fictitious cake and eating it.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Of course he’s “fairly wealthy.” He’s probably quite handsome too. Aren’t they all?

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Dear fucking god. Game Theory uses, um, ‘tacticts’ that are legally rape. Dude, you were not falsely accused. Go, hide yourself in that dungeon of almost-but-not-really celibacy and leave the majority of women alone. And, for the love of fuck- if you are a sex worker with this dude, look the fuck out- he rapes people.

popcornculturejunkie
popcornculturejunkie
8 years ago

I guess Misterbill redefined it as Man GETTING His Own Way :p

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I rather thought this would get the “shit that never happened” tag!

So, if Mr Terrified is never alone in a room with a strange woman, what happens if he goes into a shop where the one and only sales assistant is a woman? Does he leap out of a lift if a woman gets in? Does he put up with toothache rather than see a woman dentist? What a pillock.

Memo to MGHOW writer of bad fiction: don’t give up your day job.

He’s just another you wish really would go his own way, prefereably with a fleshlight so he doesn’t have to inflict himself on any strangers or sex workers* or just people in general.

*assuming said sex workers exist outside his imagination

popcornculturejunkie
popcornculturejunkie
8 years ago

With the right amount of cash, anyone can be considered attractive.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahah this never stops cracking me up.

Seriously, if the worst thing you think can happen to you is someone falsely accuses you of raping them, WHOA the privilege.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Poprcornculturejunkie: not really.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
8 years ago

I thought game theory was an area of mathematics about strategy. I have seen it used to describe the strengths of certain correlations. Short of putting women in situations where consenting to sex is the only strategic move I can’t see how it relates to sex.

You know it is good he is happy even if his life is weird. His no relationship rule is probably also good for the women around him.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

Last time I heard about a “false accusation” it went like this:

Creepy Dude Who Makes Sexually Inappropriate Comments About Women He Just Met: My bitch ex-girlfriend falsely accused me of raping her, but my uncle’s a cop and he was friends with a judge so they took care of it for me.

Table Full of People Who Are Not Rapists: …

No one talked to him again.

popcornculturejunkie
popcornculturejunkie
8 years ago

Hellkell: I forgot to put a sarcasm disclaimer on my last statement.

Lilith T. Bell (@bonbonsnbodices)

Even if he didn’t want to get a vasectomy, there are plenty of things he could do with this companion of his that don’t involve sperm getting anywhere near egg. The fact that (he claims) he’s having sex with sex workers and women on business trips points to his fear of pregnancy not being all that great, so it’s not some crippling phobia that keeps him from performing at all.

I guess it doesn’t count as sex unless there’s the risk of pregnancy, which he’ll only risk with women he’s paying and running into out of state? God, it really doesn’t make any sense no matter how you slice it.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

popcornculturejunkie – thank goodness for that! 😀 I was thinking of billionaires like Trump, Ecclestone, Rinehart, Romney and it was definitely a case of “there isnt’ that much cash in the world”.

tenya
tenya
8 years ago

I’m going to guess he doesn’t worry about married traveling ladies getting pregnant because they’ll just lie and let their stoopid beta husbands think it is their kid, right? Although why’d be unable to level a ‘false accusation’ charge is beyond me, you’d think that if those false accusations are all just ladiez regretting sex the day after the married ladies would have more regret potential? But maybe his theory is that if he uses an assumed name in a faraway land nobody can track him down? Surely much safer than being around his “girlfriend” in – we assume – only public spaces?

popcornculturejunkie
popcornculturejunkie
8 years ago

Kitteh: Definitely not enough cash in the world for me to get anywhere near the ‘gentlemen’ (blech) you just mentioned. 😀 😀 😀 😀

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Fersure, not even if they pooled the money!

Maude LL
Maude LL
8 years ago

Those stories are usually written by “very wealthy, successful middle aged businessmen” who write like 18 year olds, and who seem to understand very little about their sector of expertise (game theory makes no sense with dating. Unless he was in a role-playing BDSM party… But maybe I went to the wrong university). It must be a demographic with a compulsion for false rape accusing sperm thieving strange women.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Maude LL – now I’m imagining this having been written by our very own undergraduate/graduate/entrepreneur/scientist Steelyboy! 😀

Though if it had been, I could only say his writng’s improved …

Shaenon
8 years ago

…Chester Brown? Is that you?

But I kid the Canadian cartoonists.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Hmm.. these fairly wealthy businessmen never write in the style of fairly wealthy businessmen. They also write far worse than post graduate students just out of university. I call BS on this as well.

One thing that intrigues me is that they’re always going on about pregnancy, but never STIs. Do they just not care about STIs?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

these guys tend to assume that if any sperm is released in the vicinity of a woman, the woman will get hold of it

Why do I now have the image of a woman, baseball glove on hand, poised to catch any random sperm?

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
8 years ago

As someone with a low sex drive the relationship he has sounds ideal if he wasn’t a jerk.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@ Kittehs, I am reminded of this game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Goes_to_Hollywood_(video_game) which I bought for my C64 back in the day… 🙂

nerdypants
nerdypants
8 years ago

I studied game theory in combination with other aspects of my life. Then a woman made a false accusation against me, but I didn’t hold it against her because she was just playing the dominant strategy towards the Nash equilibrium, and frankly I’d have done the same to her. It’s a tragically common scenario.

Otis the Sweaty
Otis the Sweaty
8 years ago

you have to be a real sick fuck to pick on guys like this. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

So, he doesn’t know about condoms? He’s intensely afraid of being alone with women, but he goes with hookers…and I assume he doesn’t take a buddy along to watch the sex…just in case. Why are married women safe to be with? He probably has a reason for including this point in his, ahem, narrative, but I can’t be sure what it is.
He’s rich, and can probably afford a vasectomy.

This bit:
“There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women.”

Yeah, sure you do, bubba. My married friends tell me a lot of secrets, and this isn’t one of them. I’m not saying no married women cheat, but he’s making sound like the 500 mile rule is a common practice. I mean, maybe for “The Real Housewives of Orange County” or whatever, but errrr…

I think he thinks proclaiming that he’d never live with a woman or procreate would shock and awe many of us women readers.
Well, it doesn’t. I didn’t think, “Awwwwww, too bad! Another good one that got away.”
No, I thought, “Whew! Thank god!”
These two rules of his make sense; he shouldn’t procreate or live with any woman — ever.

These guys….these fucking dudebros, you’d think accusing someone of rape was an easy process — like ordering a pizza. I guess going through life with blinders on can limited your knowledge of…um…reality.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Otis, go away. You’re boring, and make an easy punching bag.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Otis- sick to pick on remorseless rapists? Remorseless rapists who seem to have escaped justice? Yeah, how do I look at myself in the mirror in the morning?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

Ha ha ha, the guy watched that George Clooney movie about frequent flyers hooking up and quite naturally, for a teenager, assumed that it was a documentary.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Sssssh. Everyone be quiet. Otis is trying to think of a rebuttal.

Maude LL
Maude LL
8 years ago

Kitteh – Where you been, Steely boy!

David – Oh? I assumed he meant game theory as opposed to “game” since he mentions not being a PUA. But maybe I shouldn’t look for logic here.
Entertaining nonetheless…

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Otis is trying to think of a refind his buttal. with a map.

FTFY. 😉

Maude LL
Maude LL
8 years ago

His sweatiness messed up his keyboard

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Hmmm. Still nothing. I guess he’s trying to find that map Kitteh mentioned.

freitag235
freitag235
8 years ago

you have to be a real sick fuck to pick on guys like this. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Otis, are you saying this person, this highly successful person according to himself, may be telling an untruth? If so, would you please just say so clearly and unambiguously?

Thanks in advance. Your honesty in addressing such things would be valuable in creating a balanced discussion.

And please ask other MRAs to be equally clear in their expression. Do you support, not support, etc. It would make for a better discussion environment.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Freitag, you know asking MRAs to write in intelligible English is misandry!

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

That’s an excellent point, Freitag.

Charles Miller
8 years ago

I’d even give odds that the “false accusations” part is based on any more reality than the rest. It reads like an MRA madlib. “Write down one complaint about women. Two situations in which you can have contact with women without allowing them any respect or autonomy. One statement of your own level of wealth and power.”

The whole thing appears to be a crazy contortion in which the poster establishes his MGOTW bona fides while at the same time beating the “but do not be mistaken, I am a virile alpha male” drum.

You can’t have your cake and stick your dick in it.

Or you can, but the rest of the world will find it hard to swallow.

inurashii
inurashii
8 years ago

Otis I feel like you’re not really trying today.

Are you ok? Have you been getting enough sleep?

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

One thing that intrigues me is that they’re always going on about pregnancy, but never STIs. Do they just not care about STIs?

A judge will never order you to pay child support on an STI.

Oh, man, I’d love to buy a boat,but these herpes payment are killing me.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

Definitely bullshit.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@clairedammit LOL!

chibigodzilla
8 years ago

@David: Nothing gets the ladies excited like the Month Hall Problem

chibigodzilla
8 years ago

Dammit, that’s the Monty Hall Problem

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@chibigodzilla that is such a cool problem because you can see that the best solution is to switch if you run simulations, but the best solution is so counter-intuitive. 🙂 Is it game theory?

And the image I get when I read the gems posted by people like misterbill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN12qHstCCU (up to the last little bit, anyways).

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