Over on the A Voice for Men forums β yes, they have forums β one Man Going His Own Way spells out exactly what he means by His Own Way. Hereβs misterbill:
For me, MGTOW has three major components:
1. Refusal to cohabitate with a woman
2. Avoidance of fatherhood like the plague
3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)
These are the core elements, IMO.
I’m not celibate, I get sexual satisfaction from several call-girls that I’ve built good rapport with over a few years. I’ll visit one of these women whenever I feel like it, usually once a month or so.
I have what I would describe as a female companion who others would describe as my girlfriend. We don’t have sex, not because I’m not attracted to her, but because my fear of possibly getting her pregnant petrifies me beyond belief. So we hang out 2 days a week and have very nice times together, going on about 5 years. She understands my beliefs and that we will never live together and that I don’t believe in the myth of love.
So I’m MGHOW, but not without women.
I’m 41 and fairly wealthy. In my 20s and through to of my early 30s ( although I wasn’t a PUA) I studied game theory and in combination with other aspects of my life, I had no trouble getting laid. Then a woman made a false accusation against me (and was further slandered by another), and I began to wake up to the perils of having sex with (and interacting with) strange women. The risks outweighed the benefits, and I turned to going my own way.
I travel on business frequently and the one exception to my rule with being alone with strange women is the easy pickings while traveling. There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women. Gents, her vows mean NOTHING once she gets on a plane without you. Although I wouldn’t allow any of these women into my home, I accept the risk when I’m traveling. And there is always a risk of running into a psycho who is ready to explode.
I donβt really have any jokes here. Β But I will note that his story doesnβt make a lick of sense; I find it literally unbelievable.
Heβs so paranoid about women because of a βfalse accusationβ leveled against him back when he pursued women using βgame theoryβ that he literally refuses to be in the same room with βstrange womenβ β or even interact with them. Yet when heβs traveling he suggests he routinely has sex with βstrangeβ married women. Huh? These women could still get pregnant; these women could still make accusations, false or otherwise, against him. Β Does he feel safe because he can skip town in a hurry to avoid the possible consequences of his actions?
Heβs (allegedly) been involved in a 2-day-a-week relationship, for five years, with a woman heβs sexually attracted to. But he refuses to have sex with her because heβs terrified of getting her pregnant. Β If heβs that worried about getting her pregnant, and generally wants to βavoid β¦ fatherhood like the plague,β why doesnβt he get a vasectomy? If, after he sleeps with a married woman in a strange city, she gets pregnant with his child, does he simply assume sheβll never be able to track him down?
Iβm going to assume that most if not all of what misterbill is saying here is bullshit. But if he does indeed live his life in way that even vaguely resembles how he says he does, itβs a rather sad and strange and paranoid way to live.
Those are all good points; surely a sensible person would not act in those ways.
On the other hand, MGTOW.
A “Gamer” who was, “falsely” accused? Inconceivable!!!!
Of course he’s wealthy (pretty much has to be to have a stable relationship with several call-girls.
WAIT! What? He is willing to risk a false accusation when he’s travelling on business?
He’s just ASKING to be falsely accused. We all know the she-harpies who go on business trips are looking to scalp a successful man; they need to, or they can’t take his place.
He doesn’t want to sleep with his ‘companion’ of 2 days a week for 5 years…but has a ‘good rapport’ with call girls? I guess according to this man’s twisted logic (if we can call it that), call girls are immune from pregnancy. If he is as wealthy as he says he is, a vasectomy WOULD be the best thing for him. But…I’m going to have to call bullshit on this man’s story. π
I’ll assume it’s all bullshit.
Misterbill, MGTOW means GOING, not having your fictitious cake and eating it.
Of course he’s “fairly wealthy.” He’s probably quite handsome too. Aren’t they all?
Dear fucking god. Game Theory uses, um, ‘tacticts’ that are legally rape. Dude, you were not falsely accused. Go, hide yourself in that dungeon of almost-but-not-really celibacy and leave the majority of women alone. And, for the love of fuck- if you are a sex worker with this dude, look the fuck out- he rapes people.
I guess Misterbill redefined it as Man GETTING His Own Way :p
I rather thought this would get the “shit that never happened” tag!
So, if Mr Terrified is never alone in a room with a strange woman, what happens if he goes into a shop where the one and only sales assistant is a woman? Does he leap out of a lift if a woman gets in? Does he put up with toothache rather than see a woman dentist? What a pillock.
Memo to MGHOW writer of bad fiction: don’t give up your day job.
He’s just another you wish really would go his own way, prefereably with a fleshlight so he doesn’t have to inflict himself on any strangers or sex workers* or just people in general.
*assuming said sex workers exist outside his imagination
With the right amount of cash, anyone can be considered attractive.
3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahah this never stops cracking me up.
Seriously, if the worst thing you think can happen to you is someone falsely accuses you of raping them, WHOA the privilege.
Poprcornculturejunkie: not really.
I thought game theory was an area of mathematics about strategy. I have seen it used to describe the strengths of certain correlations. Short of putting women in situations where consenting to sex is the only strategic move I can’t see how it relates to sex.
You know it is good he is happy even if his life is weird. His no relationship rule is probably also good for the women around him.
Last time I heard about a “false accusation” it went like this:
Creepy Dude Who Makes Sexually Inappropriate Comments About Women He Just Met: My bitch ex-girlfriend falsely accused me of raping her, but my uncle’s a cop and he was friends with a judge so they took care of it for me.
Table Full of People Who Are Not Rapists: …
No one talked to him again.
Hellkell: I forgot to put a sarcasm disclaimer on my last statement.
Even if he didn’t want to get a vasectomy, there are plenty of things he could do with this companion of his that don’t involve sperm getting anywhere near egg. The fact that (he claims) he’s having sex with sex workers and women on business trips points to his fear of pregnancy not being all that great, so it’s not some crippling phobia that keeps him from performing at all.
I guess it doesn’t count as sex unless there’s the risk of pregnancy, which he’ll only risk with women he’s paying and running into out of state? God, it really doesn’t make any sense no matter how you slice it.
popcornculturejunkie – thank goodness for that! π I was thinking of billionaires like Trump, Ecclestone, Rinehart, Romney and it was definitely a case of “there isnt’ that much cash in the world”.
I’m going to guess he doesn’t worry about married traveling ladies getting pregnant because they’ll just lie and let their stoopid beta husbands think it is their kid, right? Although why’d be unable to level a ‘false accusation’ charge is beyond me, you’d think that if those false accusations are all just ladiez regretting sex the day after the married ladies would have more regret potential? But maybe his theory is that if he uses an assumed name in a faraway land nobody can track him down? Surely much safer than being around his “girlfriend” in – we assume – only public spaces?
Kitteh: Definitely not enough cash in the world for me to get anywhere near the ‘gentlemen’ (blech) you just mentioned. π π π π
Fersure, not even if they pooled the money!
Those stories are usually written by “very wealthy, successful middle aged businessmen” who write like 18 year olds, and who seem to understand very little about their sector of expertise (game theory makes no sense with dating. Unless he was in a role-playing BDSM party… But maybe I went to the wrong university). It must be a demographic with a compulsion for false rape accusing sperm thieving strange women.
Maude LL – now I’m imagining this having been written by our very own undergraduate/graduate/entrepreneur/scientist Steelyboy! π
Though if it had been, I could only say his writng’s improved …
Lilith, welcome!
You make a good point, though these guys tend to assume that if any sperm is released in the vicinity of a woman, the woman will get hold of it and may well decide to impregnate herself with it. I imagine he is not interested in any sexual activity that doesn’t involve him having an orgasm.
I assume the woman in this “relationship” with him — if she’s real, which I rather doubt — is either asexual or simply not interested in sex with him, because otherwise I imagine she would have offered him some suggestions about sex acts not involving penis-in-vagina or penis-at-all.
oh, BTW, by “game theory” he doesn’t mean math, but the pickup artist bullshit that’s sometimes called “game.” At least I assume that’s the case, because I’m pretty sure playing “prisoner’s dilemma” is not a useful dating strategy.
…Chester Brown? Is that you?
But I kid the Canadian cartoonists.
Hmm.. these fairly wealthy businessmen never write in the style of fairly wealthy businessmen. They also write far worse than post graduate students just out of university. I call BS on this as well.
One thing that intrigues me is that they’re always going on about pregnancy, but never STIs. Do they just not care about STIs?