Over on the A Voice for Men forums – yes, they have forums – one Man Going His Own Way spells out exactly what he means by His Own Way. Here’s misterbill:
For me, MGTOW has three major components:
1. Refusal to cohabitate with a woman
2. Avoidance of fatherhood like the plague
3. Avoidance of being alone in a room with a strange woman (for fear of false accusations)
These are the core elements, IMO.
I’m not celibate, I get sexual satisfaction from several call-girls that I’ve built good rapport with over a few years. I’ll visit one of these women whenever I feel like it, usually once a month or so.
I have what I would describe as a female companion who others would describe as my girlfriend. We don’t have sex, not because I’m not attracted to her, but because my fear of possibly getting her pregnant petrifies me beyond belief. So we hang out 2 days a week and have very nice times together, going on about 5 years. She understands my beliefs and that we will never live together and that I don’t believe in the myth of love.
So I’m MGHOW, but not without women.
I’m 41 and fairly wealthy. In my 20s and through to of my early 30s ( although I wasn’t a PUA) I studied game theory and in combination with other aspects of my life, I had no trouble getting laid. Then a woman made a false accusation against me (and was further slandered by another), and I began to wake up to the perils of having sex with (and interacting with) strange women. The risks outweighed the benefits, and I turned to going my own way.
I travel on business frequently and the one exception to my rule with being alone with strange women is the easy pickings while traveling. There is a rule amongst many women that if you’re 500 miles away from home, it’s not cheating. I see this a lot with many married women. Gents, her vows mean NOTHING once she gets on a plane without you. Although I wouldn’t allow any of these women into my home, I accept the risk when I’m traveling. And there is always a risk of running into a psycho who is ready to explode.
I don’t really have any jokes here. But I will note that his story doesn’t make a lick of sense; I find it literally unbelievable.
He’s so paranoid about women because of a “false accusation” leveled against him back when he pursued women using “game theory” that he literally refuses to be in the same room with “strange women” – or even interact with them. Yet when he’s traveling he suggests he routinely has sex with “strange” married women. Huh? These women could still get pregnant; these women could still make accusations, false or otherwise, against him. Does he feel safe because he can skip town in a hurry to avoid the possible consequences of his actions?
He’s (allegedly) been involved in a 2-day-a-week relationship, for five years, with a woman he’s sexually attracted to. But he refuses to have sex with her because he’s terrified of getting her pregnant. If he’s that worried about getting her pregnant, and generally wants to “avoid … fatherhood like the plague,” why doesn’t he get a vasectomy? If, after he sleeps with a married woman in a strange city, she gets pregnant with his child, does he simply assume she’ll never be able to track him down?
I’m going to assume that most if not all of what misterbill is saying here is bullshit. But if he does indeed live his life in way that even vaguely resembles how he says he does, it’s a rather sad and strange and paranoid way to live.
Scottish! Sorry, a bit slow today.
Actually I’m Scottish! I suppose the downside of telling people off in a Glaswegian accent is that if they’re not Scottish they might have no idea what I was saying.
CassandraSays, that’s an upside. You could say anything at all in an angry way, and have the right effect 😉
For a broad Oz accent, we need a recording of Billy Hughes.
“if they’re not Scottish they might have no idea what I was saying”
Heh, I just did a YouTube search of the Glaswegian accent, it’s really kind of wonderful. Apparently the iPhone 4s has no idea what you’re saying either 🙂
I saw that! Though this was my favorite related bit of Scottish comedy.
“My son, The Garage”
😀 Thanks Cassandra, that was hilarious. I’m going to have to track more of this guy’s stuff down.
I have been told by reliable sources (i.e. friends from Edinburgh) that even other Scottish folks frequently have no idea what Glaswegians are saying. :-p
That puts me in mind of watching Hamish MacBeth – I had to listen really closely to make out what Robert Carlyle was saying, a lot of the time. Worth it, though – that would have to be one of the funniest series I’ve ever seen.
When I worked in pubs in England, when it was kicking out time, I would announce the bar was closed in my broadest Scottish accent and hurry people along the same way. Normally i have a very anglicised Edinburgh accent which is slowly being altered by the aussie accent. And I think it’s people from Aberdeen that are hard to understand as they have a distinct dialect not used further south. I think accents are fascinating. I touched on sociolinguistics as part of my French degree and always wished I had done more.
When I worked in pubs in England, when it was kicking out time, I would announce the bar was closed in my broadest Scottish accent and hurry people along the same way. Normally i have a very anglicised Edinburgh accent which is slowly being altered by the aussie accent. And I think it’s people from Aberdeen that are hard to understand as they have a distinct dialect not used further south. I think accents are fascinating. I touched on sociolinguistics as part of my French degree and always wished I had done more.
Sorry for double post…
Reminds me of a Scottish friend I knew years ago. She’d lived twenty-odd years in Australia then. To our ears she had a clear Scots accent (clear as in unmistakable, but also as in easily understood), but when she visited back home her rellos thought she sounded like broadest Strine! 🙂
Varpole: Excuse me? I’m not aware of any instances of harassment Myers and Watson;
Really… none of the threads here which talked about it crossed your notice? Perhaps the reason you aren’t a successful author is that you aren’t a very cogent observer.
Abbie Smith, the founder, is herself a woman. Prominent atheist voices like Justin Vacula post there regularly. It is a noble enterprise.
This is what I mean. We had a long thread here about Mr. Vacula, and you want us to believe you didn’t notice?
Those sex workers who have sex with these “men going their own way” guys are TOTALLY taking one for the team, dontcha think? I really appreciate their sacrifice in putting up with these guys, so the rest of us don’t have to. Just, please, ladies, use a VERY reliable form of birth control. We don’t need those genes contaminating the pool.
So here is my question of both you, a male, and all the female detractors of men who wish to live apart from women. I read this fellow’s tale and though it is not mine, if it be true, I guess I see his logic in living his life apart. You say on this blog that you “mock” “misogyny”. Please tell me how this is misogyny and why you must mock him. If a man is “going his own way”, what the F is it to you! Or to any woman. Why should it strike a nerve if he is just being left alone. I believe that you, David and all the women who hate this are the ones with the problem.
Oh D.S. Clark.
The primary reason to mock men going their own way is that they rarely actually, you know, go anywhere. Instead they spend huge amounts of time and energy on the Internet endlessly complaining about the numerous and varied sins of womankind. Think about it. If there are men out there who have actually gone their own way to live a life free of women, we’ve probably never heard of them, because they’re out in the world learning carpentry or raising llamas or tracing their genealogy or doing basically any fulfilling activity that isn’t sitting on a forum obsessing over the women they claim to have sworn off.
Case and point, the dude in this post, who is hilarious, because while he clearly has a deep and abiding paranoia of women, he still regularly sleeps with them and hangs out with his “female companion” who is not his girlfriend, who he doesn’t sleep with even though he would quite like to, because he’s terrified of getting her pregnant, and he doesn’t want to be a father but seems to be unaware that vasectomies are a thing that exists. In short, he hasn’t gone anywhere. In fact, I imagine he thinks about women more and spends more of his time arranging his life around women than the average dude who doesn’t hate women.
Thanks, D. S., we’ve never heard that one before.
What Tinyorc said. If MGTOW would actually go their own way rather than constantly spew hate on the internet, there’d be nothing to mock. They’re quite different from men who’ve just decided they don’t want to marry and have kids.
Please stop pretending that this blog creates these misogynist assholes. This blog was created as a response to them. They already existed before this blog did. If David decides to shut the blog down, they will still exist. Misogyny has been around for a really long time!
Oh, hai, B. S. It’s been said already but you seem slow, so I’ll say it again: we really don’t care if MGTOW, but they don’t. Writing obsessively about the evils of women is not going away.
No one on here is disparaging men, necrotroll.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume nobody here is a man who has ever gone through the life changing horror of being falsely accused of sexual misconduct?