Most manosphere misogynists lean to the right. But every once in a while I’ll run across an MRA who considers himself a man of the left. Today, while perusing the Spearhead, which generally appeals to some of the more reactionary MRAs and MGTOWers, I ran across a most intriguing example of the Manosphericus lefticus.
“Davani” describes himself as “a socialist and a supporter of women’s rights,” explaining that
the last thing I want is some kind of uneducated, barefoot-and-in-the-kitchen woman who I can’t even have a conversation with on any intelligent topic.
But Mr. D is a most unusual sort of socialist-feminist indeed. You might call him a Socialist of the Penis. Or, rather, a Socialist for the Penis. As he explains,
I am all for egalitarian culture (e.g., expanding women’s rights), but only if the women themselves are egalitarian. In the US, much more so than anywhere else, they are not.
So what exactly is wrong with these American women, in Davani’s mind? Well, he reports sadly,
The women here are very shallow, and use their rights to penalize, rather than include, the majority of “average” men who don’t make the cut in terms of their looks. Susan Walsh, the author of “Hooking Up Smart,” reports that on US college campuses, 80% of the girls have sex with 20% of the guys.
Oh dear, not this again.
In effect, giving American women contraception enables them to jump on the sex carousel but not with most guys — only with a small number of ‘alpha males’ at the top. This is the problem right here. Moreover, this is at no cost to themselves, because they can abort any pregnancy, while discriminating against the “lesser” males.
Davani is outraged by this blatant elitism on the part of women. He would prefer a far more egalitarian form of pussy distribution – from each, according to her pussy; to each, according to his penis’ needs.
[I]n other countries, women wouldn’t use contraception to essentially eliminate 80% of the guys. Family planning would benefit BOTH the guy and the girl. The girl isn’t looking to hook up with the top athlete or celebrity, she’s also very interested in other, regular guys, who have other good qualities, even if they don’t necessarily pass the “looks” test.
But in America, alas, women have become monopoly capitalists of the vagina.
American women are more shallow and discriminatory in their preferences than most other women, and this has to be taken into account. “Feminists used to get support from men by promising we’d all be getting laid for free” — in a normal society, yes; in this country, only the 20% at the top would be getting laid for free in this context.
So, false advertising, as well.
To the barricades, men! Vive la penislution!
Again, Eurosabra, nobody cares about your persecution complex. Go whine somewhere else.
Good luck with the baby, dualityheart! At this point in the pregnancy I’m sure you’re more than ready for that part to be over and done with.
Try “if they wish to be polite, people, regardless of gender, should generally not express their sexual interest to complete strangers, regardless of gender, at least outside of settings in which expressing your sexual interest to strangers is an expected part of the deal and thus not considered so impolite (e.g. a swingers’ club).” Gender really doesn’t come into it. Similarly, it’s also considered rude to walk up to complete strangers and inform them of your bowel habits, try to convert them to your religion, or lecture them on your political views, not because mean ol’ feminists really hate boners/poop/religion/politics, but because most people do not care about yours.
Oh, we’re back to the idea that if there are any situations in which women don’t want men to hit on them then that means that we want to make erections illegal again?
Please find a new complaint, talacris, this one is getting really boring.
” Normal rules of social engagement apply to flirting with strangers”
Where was this restriction that it was about stangers mentioned? and when is a person no longer a stranger? Showing interest to someone you have known for a long time is called Nice Guy behaviour so that’s probably not OK either. Sending a message to someone on a dating site must then also be creepy behaviour
Talacaris, if you are doing it, I am pretty sure it is creepy behavior. Other people, maybe not so much. Now go away.
talacaris, you have fun with that straw feminist you’re beating up over there.
If you want to address anything that anyone here has actually said, we’ll be around.
Um…back in the very comments that you initially took exception to?
Reading: it’s your friend!
Good luck, Dualityheart!
Also, I’m pretty sure you know this is bullshit, but just to make it absolutely clear: this is bullshit. Saying, “Hey, so, lately I’ve found that I’m kind of developing a crush on you” to a friend, and then accepting it gracefully if said friend says, “I’m flattered, but I just don’t feel the same way,” is perfectly reasonable behavior that no one objects to. Pretending to be a friend to someone in the hopes of eventually getting into her pants is Nice Guy behavior. Whining about how women “friend zone” you by just regarding you as a friend after you acted like a friend is Nice Guy behavior. Complaining that you’ve been so friendly that your friends should now owe you sex is Nice Guy behavior. Being attracted to a friend is fine. Telling her that is fine. Acting like a whiny, entitled douchebag is not fine. This is not complicated.
Saying, “Hey, so, lately I’ve found that I’m kind of developing a crush on you” to a friend, and then accepting it gracefully if said friend says, “I’m flattered, but I just don’t feel the same way,” is perfectly reasonable behavior that no one objects to.
And guess what: post high school, it works REALLY WELL!
(especially if you’re poly.)
Polliwog: Blockquote 1& 3 is obviously about approach by complete strangers. Not necessarily blockquote 2 & 4.
For real?
You’re saying that you read paragraphs 2 & 4 as people’s feelings about being approached in the street by someone they know?
Do you think that paragraph 2 was talking about being approached for any reason, too, because she didn’t specifically say “approach and hit on”?
Either your reading comprehension is very bad or you’re being purposefully disingenuous.
I’m voting for option 2.
Oh for the love of light talacris! Use the good sense God gave to little green apples when attampting to find sex partners! A woman in public is going about her life, one which doesn’t involve any concern for you, or your sexual fantasy because right up to the moment you walked up to solicit her attention YOU DIDN’T EXIST!
Also, approaching women for sex in online dating may be perfectly fine if they happen to be in one of the hookup sections or they explicitly state they arr looking for a sex partner in their profile. I wouldn’t advise it as the very first thing you say, and you probably want to meet first and spend half an hour talking to them to be sure that you’re both compatible. Otherwise, if it says looking for relationship or long term, hold off until you meet them.
Wh do we keep having to explain relationship 101 stuff to people well past middleschool?
@nwoslave: “Every single man in the world wants a woman whose had sex with only him, because that means she’s sexually loyal and emotionally loyal to him alone.”
An absolute claim can be falisfied with any single example to the contrary.
NWO, allow me to say you are wrong. I am male. I don’t want a woman who has only ever had sex with me.
“If women are being disloyal sluts, what possible reason could there be for men to treat women as anything else? ”
Having a varied (even wide, hell even, “prosmiscuous” and carefree) sexual experience =/= disloyal. I want my partners to adhere to the terms we agree on. If they do that they are, “loyal”. If they don’t they are cheating.
I used to work in Hollywood… you know why you see actors with actors? Because that’s their social circle. It’s why lawyers marry lawyers. It’s why soldiers often marry soldiers, etc.
Do we need an online hookup guide for complete imbeciles? OK!
Places where it’s OK to ask a random woman online if she would like to have sex with you, right off the bat – the craigslist casual encounters section.
Places where it would be unwise to just message someone “hey, you’re hot, wanna fuck?” – Match.com, the comments section of a site that has nothing to do with dating.
§ 2 could as well be about someone who was lost and just asking for directions
Sure, he * just stopped to ask for directions!*
…Into her pants.
@pillowinhell
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talacaris. Yes, it could, if you disregarded the context of the entire conversation up to and including the blockquote in that very comment.
If you’re going to try to willfully misinterpret the shit that you’re using to argue, at least put some effort into it.
Kitteh’s: Best evidence for Brandon is… middle thirties, hard as that is to believe.
It’s sort of sad, when a past great, like Brandon, comes back and is but a shadow of his former self. He never managed, in the brief chunk I saw, to make me feel he merited response. That may be that I knew I was late, and everyone else was doing such a good job, but it felt to me that he’d lost his fine edge. Rusty, I suppose, from lack of practice.
Many years ago I actually did (very politely and not in a flirtatious manner) ask a guy in a club for directions to Trafalgar Square and he responded with “I don’t know about that sweetheart, but I can give you directions to my bedroom”.
Maybe he meant that his bedroom was in Trafalgar Square? Because obviously it’s not like men ever interact with women in a sleazy way in public. Their intentions are always totally innocent.
STEEEEEEEELE.
When Pecunium says he’s elaving for ten hours to go to work, he actually does it. Steele, take notes.
Because people are going for abstinence education instead of my comprehensive age-appropriate health and wellness model that covers things like healthy relationship patterns as a part of a conversation about sexuality because the people you have sex with are people you have a relationship with. Probably.
Whataboutthemoonz: We were DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, and I got sent home. So it was only 7 hours. But I have some very nice speck to take to Ohio, and the weather was that pleasant sort of overcast.