Most manosphere misogynists lean to the right. But every once in a while I’ll run across an MRA who considers himself a man of the left. Today, while perusing the Spearhead, which generally appeals to some of the more reactionary MRAs and MGTOWers, I ran across a most intriguing example of the Manosphericus lefticus.
“Davani” describes himself as “a socialist and a supporter of women’s rights,” explaining that
the last thing I want is some kind of uneducated, barefoot-and-in-the-kitchen woman who I can’t even have a conversation with on any intelligent topic.
But Mr. D is a most unusual sort of socialist-feminist indeed. You might call him a Socialist of the Penis. Or, rather, a Socialist for the Penis. As he explains,
I am all for egalitarian culture (e.g., expanding women’s rights), but only if the women themselves are egalitarian. In the US, much more so than anywhere else, they are not.
So what exactly is wrong with these American women, in Davani’s mind? Well, he reports sadly,
The women here are very shallow, and use their rights to penalize, rather than include, the majority of “average” men who don’t make the cut in terms of their looks. Susan Walsh, the author of “Hooking Up Smart,” reports that on US college campuses, 80% of the girls have sex with 20% of the guys.
Oh dear, not this again.
In effect, giving American women contraception enables them to jump on the sex carousel but not with most guys — only with a small number of ‘alpha males’ at the top. This is the problem right here. Moreover, this is at no cost to themselves, because they can abort any pregnancy, while discriminating against the “lesser” males.
Davani is outraged by this blatant elitism on the part of women. He would prefer a far more egalitarian form of pussy distribution – from each, according to her pussy; to each, according to his penis’ needs.
[I]n other countries, women wouldn’t use contraception to essentially eliminate 80% of the guys. Family planning would benefit BOTH the guy and the girl. The girl isn’t looking to hook up with the top athlete or celebrity, she’s also very interested in other, regular guys, who have other good qualities, even if they don’t necessarily pass the “looks” test.
But in America, alas, women have become monopoly capitalists of the vagina.
American women are more shallow and discriminatory in their preferences than most other women, and this has to be taken into account. “Feminists used to get support from men by promising we’d all be getting laid for free” — in a normal society, yes; in this country, only the 20% at the top would be getting laid for free in this context.
So, false advertising, as well.
To the barricades, men! Vive la penislution!
HA! The fool still can’t sockpuppet worth a damn.
Y’know, there’s a huge middle ground excluded between ‘monosyllabic grunt’ and ‘big smile’. How do those rate? What if the woman’s just extroverted and friendly but didn’t want to be hit on?
What a relief. That was my first encounter with the little sleaze.What is he, nineteen? Carrying on like he’s God’s gift when the likely reaction to him would be “Piss off, sonny.”
Biot, was that you? Yeesh… Must of rolled a 1 there… 😛
I only sorta skimmed the exceedingly long convo with b-doggs… It just made me depressed. Everyone does some form of behind-the-scenes accounting when dealing with people, but come on. A relationship is not just coming up with an a priori list of things you think you want in a partner, then finding someone who meets that exactly. You change, your partner changes, and people who stick together tend to change and grow to like things in common, or tend to do things they don’t like for the sake of their partner.
Honestly, given time and the right circumstances, you could probably have a good relationship with a large percentage of humanity. There is no “one true soul” out there designed for you. Rant rant rant sushi *nom*.
Nah, this is the other returning troll.
@Palmedfire – not to mention that he, like most misogynists, ignores the way women are so heavily socialised not to upset men, to be amenable, to smile and be nice, to hide our discomfort, to ignore our instincts and even our fears, to Do As We’re Told. Those smiles they claim as proof of encouragement don’t necessarily mean a thing.
@Ugh
Yeah, I certainly didn’t do this months ago so that I could stop torturing myself with pathetic attempts at dating. I’m just making shit up for some troll’s benefit.
For intelligence, I went from personal experience backed up with a reasonable guess based on IQ and put that at 5%.
For physical attractiveness, I went with a remembered 10% number from some fat acceptance literature, divided by 4 to account for my gross over-sizedness (far beyond what a normal “chubby chaser” would be attracted to). For your benefit, I tried to look up population data on fat fetishists, but wasn’t able to find anything.
The mental illness thing was an estimate, I think of 15%-ish. I think that an intractable case of the not-fun-at-all-to-be-around, plus episodic unipolar depression, plus an eating disorder, plus etc. is significantly more off-putting than a single episode of, say, excessive grief after a traumatic life event; the fact that people in the latter group are able to find people who want to be around them is not particularly relevant to me.
Yes. I to this day have people telling me “Oh he was totally flirting with you” and I had no clue. I’m just awkward around people, so I default to being polite and nice. Smiles and what probably look like coy ‘looking away’ sort of things. But it’s just my natural “I’m not to sure about this situation, but I shall game on in hopes it gets better” reaction, not flirting.
Oh dear, how many poor delicate man-egos have I unknowingly crushed? Certainly I must hop on the cock of the next MRA who comes along! /end sarcasm
@Nepenthe
I’m sorry that I;ve hurt your feelings, and I’m backing out now. I will say though that IQ has virtually no bearing on actual intelligence and was pretty much invented as a tool of racism, so it;s probably not all that accurate.
Palmedfire – yes, we are just cruel to the poor little loves, aren’t we? Whether it’s being civil, or wanting to get away, or thinking talking is just that and not a prelude to sex, or being interested in somene other than them, or nobody at all … whatever we do, it’s wrong. Even fucking the MRAs themselves makes us wrong, because we still end up as sluts.
Thank the gods above I don’t have any such creatures in my life, that’s all I can say. Nearest I’ve ever come to any of them (knowingly) is the trolls here, and they’re toxic enough.
::looks at watch which says it’s nearly hometime, then at photo of Mr Kitteh, and says heartfelt prayer of thanks::
So I honest-to-goodness got distracted by an actual IRL partner and missed the further escalation and extrapolation of MoneyBall’s transactional relationship model.
Weirdly appropriate.
“MoneyBall’s transactional relationship model.”
The term that comes to mind is “there isn’t that much money in the world …”
@kittehs:
Actually, there’s this notion in probability of the worth of a contract being how much you’d be willing to pay for it, based on how much you expect it will pay you back.
Basically what you’re saying is that MoneyBall’s worth is like… less than -70 trillion US dollars. That’s gotta burn for a man of numbers.
*gigglesnort* Fucking math, how does that work?
Brandonstiltskin? (Alas, He was before my time.)
How do you know it’s not a “SMILE AND NOD AND MAYBE HE’LL LEAVE ME ALONE” big smile?
So if everybody grunted at you, you’d stop trying to talk to us? If so, let me be the first to sah “Uh”.
@Ugh
Thank you, but there’s no need to apologize. My response was intemperate.
Slavey seems to be working under the assumption that no woman ever has sex with more than one man. So if 80% of women are sharing 20% of men amongst themselves, the remaining 20% of women can only account for another 20% of men.
Of course, this directly contradicts his assertion that modern women are slutty because they have sex with more than one man in their lifetime*, but it’s a bit late in the game for us to expect consistency from Milking Machine Man.
*Or was it that modern women are slutty because they wear clothes around more than one man in their lifetime? I can never remember.
Sexual Marxism is a growing movement and cannot be stoped!
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/sexual-marxism-has-always-been-the-norm-for-human-society/
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/poonicaid-the-right-to-sex-under-socialism/
If you want to see what happens to a society when and where men have dropped out due to female hypergamy, look to modern Japan. Why do you think they’ve become so obsessed with artificial girls?
I’m pretty sure that 80% of women are, in fact, having sex with 80% of men, more or less.
Nepenthe, I have also calculated out the approximate size of my dating pool, so it’s not just you. 😛 (aaaaaaaaaa it is tiny and I am lucky I live in a college town where people I like clump.) Of course, there are also conditional probabilities! People who are supportive of your mental illness and interested in your body type might be more likely to share your political opinions, for instance. In which case you’re not that doomed. 🙂
But even if you have a tiny dating pool, I think it’s important not to compromise on things that really matter to you to be happy. I couldn’t be with someone who didn’t accept my transness, even though “only people who accept that I’m trans” reduces my dating pool MAJORLY.
Indeed. So far, 100% of the people who have expressed interest in me while I’ve been obese have been actively abusive (on the order of holy fuck I didn’t know real people did that sort of shit), just interested in using me, and/or bugfuck insane (in the dangerous and delusional way) and that’s not a small pool. Hence, celibacy 4eva!
Conditional probabilities are a thing, though I’ve found through experience that fetishists are really all over the map politically; it doesn’t seem to correlate with political leanings. Nor do feminists/leftist politics make dealing with severe mental illness any more fun, though I suppose in both the case of the body problems and the mind problems feminists/leftists might be more willing to force themselves to tolerate them out of compassion/pity or desire to live their ideology. Not a particularly exciting prospect though.
@ DC. On the topic of bitter incels shooting people because women won’t give them the sex as decreed by Marx, yesterday a man killed and wounded several women in a salon outside of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. News media initially reported that it was over a “domestic dispute” with his wife. And by “domestic dispute” they mean a multi-year reign of terror in which the shooter was never convicted. Luckily for his murdered wife, she was granted a restraining order last week.
Oh ladies, ladies, ladies! Don’t you get it? It is your duty to provide sex to every man who wants it, no matter how you feel about him. Is he a creep? An MRA? OK, but just kinda not your type? You like him as a person but don’t want to sleep with him? How horrible of you to deny him or any other man you don’t want to sleep with! Every man should have sex supplied by whatever vagina-bearer he wants without having to do anything to attract said V-B. Society will fall into ruin if non-alphas don’t get the sexy sex they need. The world depends on your putting out on demand. (Of course that will make you sluts though, but that’s your fault.)
If you smile when he talks to you, that means you’ll give him sex. If you talk to him as a social pleasantry that means you’ll give him sex. If you exist in the same public space as he that means you’ll give him sex. If you reject being hit on that means you’re dedicated to the downfall of human society. Honesty ladies, how difficult is it for your foofy little female brains to wrap around all of that?
Borked the HTML. It’s late and I’ve been grading undergrad essays.
And the end was supposed to have a /asshole tag.
If you want to see what happens to a society when and where men have dropped out due to female hypergamy, look to modern Japan. Why do you think they’ve become so obsessed with artificial girls?
Men in Japan are forced to become nerds because the women have formed harems and are all chasing the same charismatic guy?
Oh my god, you think anime is real.
Who’s the guy? Is his name Tenchi Muyo?
You’ve summed them up, Freitag, and I can only say I’m reminded of something Quackers said once – that these arseholes and their poisonous attitudes make the whole idea of dating sickening. Again, on my part, I’m extremely grateful not to be part of that, even if these fuckwits and those who think like them are in a tiny minority.