Hey, ladies! You know how the dudes of the so-called manosphere are always saying horrible shit about you? They’re not doing it out of hate. No, no, they’re doing it for your own good! In a guest post on the blog Freedom Twenty-Five, Matt Forney offers women his own brand of tough (alleged) love:
The manosphere is frequently accused of being misogynistic because we mock fat girls, disdain sluts and criticize the behavior of modern women. … But scientific studies and common sense both show that women are generally happiest when they’re physically fit, chaste and focused on their families instead of their careers. Women who are virgins are exponentially less likely to divorce; women with BMIs in the normal range are more likely to have fulfilling relationships instead of being pumped and dumped; women who throw their lives into their jobs are less happy than those who become wives and mothers.
If you follow the link back to his post you will see how Forney has carefully footnoted all these assertions. For example, his line about women who aren’t fat having better relationships links to this carefully constructed academic study.
Oh, wait, that’s actually a link to a discussion on Yahoo Answers that’s full of alleged wisdom like this:
Fat women have to settle for less for the same reason that people: in wheelchairs, poor people [especially men], balding people, or single people with children have to settle for less. They have less to offer on the dating market, so; there is a much smaller pool of people willing to date them. And the people who are willing to date them are usually of lower quality.
You can’t argue with that kind of SCIENCE.
Forney continues:
Basically, for women, the modern feminist consumerist lifestyle is a path to misery and loneliness.
[Citation needed] [And by “citation” I don’t mean “some dude spouting shit on Yahoo answers”]
In light of that knowledge, ask yourself this: who are the real misogynists? The ones who are guiding women back onto the path to happiness, or the ones encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?
Here’s an example of Forney “guiding women back onto the path of happiness,” taken from an earlier post on his own blog:
Bashing fat girls is all well and good, but how many of us have taken the fight to the enemy? By not viciously rubbing their hideousness in their faces, we are encouraging fatties to blimp up even more. Silence implies consent.
Back to his Freedom Twenty-Five post:
The fact is if you defend and excuse away womens’ bad behavior, fully aware that they’re harming themselves, you don’t truly love them. If you want to avert someone from traveling down the path towards death and destitution, you’re going to have to get in their face and risk hurting their feeeelings. In that sense, not only do we in the manosphere love women, we perhaps love them more than any other men in the world.
The manosphere is a space for men, but it also doubles as a mass intervention for the female of the species. Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies. You might learn something.
Matt Forney, you’re a shithead.
I say that out of love.
@chibigodzilla
actually they’d probably interpret that as misandry too, because the pervert is a male figure. Never mind the fact that Japanese women are often groped on trains by perverts who happen to be male, wont somebody PLEASE think of the real problem here, the implications that men are perverts?????!?
How about that pervert does not equal all men? its just reflecting the reality of this particular crime, which evidently so funny it has to be made into a tshirt.
This is good. Next time you see an MRA complaining about shaming language, just link them to Matt Forney’s post and explain that we only shame them because we care.
Oh, wow – so those boys who were followed me home from fifth grade, yelling that I was a skinny ugly bitch were just trying to help me? They were warning me that if I remained scrawny and aesthetically unpleasant, I would be alone forever? That completely changes my world view! Those kids were saviors, not bullies who enjoyed seeing a nerdy girl with bad skin cry. They must be really confused, though – I’m still all the things they reviled and yet I’ve got a pretty groovy life. Huh.
A good friend of mine just had her doctor tell her she should only eat breakfast and not lunch or dinner because fat. She’s diabetic. He also said she should get gastric bypass surgery. If only concern-trolling were limited to MRAs, eh?
That’s odd, I’d have thought that in MRA logic women who got married and then chose to remain virgins would be extremely likely to end up divorced.
(See, kids, this is why good grammar is important.)
I have so many loving, caring, constructive comments for this man. Because I love him and want him to be happy.
The love, it burns.
The abuser lobby, once again demonstrating why studies show that married men are happier than single men and single women are happier than married women.
I love this bit:
Guys, I love women—no, no no I don’t mean that! I still hate them as much you! Please don’t call me a mangina!
By this logic, would the cat-calling and sexually explicit verbal harassment that many women get be a re-enforcement of their good choices? I mean, if the shaming is “for our own good,” then the cat-calling is saying “good job!”
Right?
Then I’m really confused because I’ve been both cat-called and shamed multiple times in my life, sometimes for the same thing (e.g. how I look, my weight, etc.). So, what gives?
(or maybe this is just all bullshit and both the shaming and cat-calling come from narrow-minded people who are malicious at worst and completely clueless at best)
There are various and assorted claims of justifications for abusive behavior. Every single one of them whether in public or in private are simply justifications for their assertion of dominance.
Shaming and catcalling are both public displays of dominance. So is ordering you to smile, and every other demand that you perform on command.
Alex: I’m sorry that happened to your friend, I hope she reports their ass to whatever licensing boards/professional associations/yelp she can.
Matt Forney wouldn’t dare call a woman fat to her face because he himself is quite a chub (see his introductory video on Youtube), pale and soft like most people who spend their lives in dark rooms in front of computers, and with the requisite neck beard that many of these misfits sport. He is in his late twenties, but already looks forty, and I’ll bet you even money he’s still a virgin himself.
Anyway, I’m proud to call myself A Fat Slut (former slut, actually — I’m happily monogamous now, having settled down (as opposed to “settled”) in my late fifties with My True Love.
Matt Forney thinks women are great.
His message is not about hate!
“I say that you’re fat
cuz I care, you old bat!
Get thin and I’ll fuck you! Can’t wait!”
Thanks, hellkell. The worst part? She went to see her doctor because of an ear infection. But unfortunately, she’s gotten that kind of shit from every doctor she’s ever had (and let’s not even talk about teachers, holy shit teachers), so I’m sure how much good reporting will do. :/ But seriously. She didn’t go for dieting advice, she didn’t go for a general check-up. She went for A FUCKING EAR INFECTION. Is it a wonder that some fat women may be at best reluctant to go into a doctor’s office, and at worst refuse to go at all?
Happiness studies are interesting. Those dudes don’t seem to get what they measure. Happiness can’t be measured yet (Bentham tried and failed). Free people (any gender) consistently report being less happy, because they know they have choices and see a way to improvement. The happiest country in the world is North Korea, according to the U.N. happiness index (I think that’s what it’s called). Maybe MRAs long for more juche in their lives. I’ll leave it to them. And there’s no fat chicks in North Korea!
@hippodameia8527, I hereby award you 15000000000 Internets.
You’re that awesome.
// Then I’m really confused because I’ve been both cat-called and shamed multiple times in my life, sometimes for the same thing (e.g. how I look, my weight, etc.). So, what gives? //
I experienced this all my life. I was the classic “fat girl with a pretty face,” and it seemed men desired me but were repelled by me in equal measure. It took me years to figure out that was their own inner conflict, but it still has the capacity to wound. PUAs and misogynists like Roosh go on and on about “hate f**king fatties” as though having sex with a fat girl is somehow “punishing” her — it is all about their ambivalence about women in general and the sexual act itself.
Thank you Frietag235!
Some days it can be hard work laughing at these assholes. I like to think limmericks help. 🙂
Well, since I’m over 30 I guess that there’s no point in our friend Matt offering me his advice, since it’s too late and all. That means that he’s going to STFU and not pester me, right?
@ Constance
Every time I hear “hate-fuck” I take it as a sign that the person has Serious Issues and should be avoided as much as possible. You don’t have to love everyone you have sex with, but going out of your way to fuck people you hate is a sign that there’s something very odd about the way you see sex.
Ah yes, another MRA whose opinions are about as useful as used toilet paper.
Late to the party but that “virgins are less likely to divorce” made me laugh too. Yeah, well, there’s a highly probable reason for that, idiot.
Constance – being fucked by Roosh or any of his ilk (I don’t say ‘having sex with’ because that implies a shared experience) WOULD be a punishment. It’s brain-bleach material just thinking about it.
Alex, that’s appalling about the treatment your friend has received from these so-called doctors. 🙁
See here is the thing, I find chubby males who are pale and spend too much time on the computer super hawt. Yet I manage to go the day without stomping up to anyone who is not chubby pale and male and tell them “YOU MUST CHANGE TO PLEASE ME.”
“In that sense, not only do we in the manosphere love women, we perhaps love them more than any other men in the world.”
Ewwwww, gross.
Lots of fat shame from someone who is overweight. What the hell? Taking self-hate and projecting it on to others must really take the edge off. And how many times do we have to tell these guys we don’t care about their boners? Their world view is so disgusting, I wouldn’t walk across the street to pee on them if they were on fire.