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Matt Forney: When we call women fat sluts, it’s because we care!

Matt Forney, your argument sounds dubious at best.

Hey, ladies! You know how the dudes of the so-called manosphere are always saying horrible shit about you? They’re not doing it out of hate. No, no, they’re doing it for your own good! In a guest post on the blog Freedom Twenty-Five, Matt Forney offers women his own brand of tough (alleged) love:

The manosphere is frequently accused of being misogynistic because we mock fat girls, disdain sluts and criticize the behavior of modern women. … But scientific studies and common sense both show that women are generally happiest when they’re physically fit, chaste and focused on their families instead of their careers. Women who are virgins are exponentially less likely to divorce; women with BMIs in the normal range are more likely to have fulfilling relationships instead of being pumped and dumped; women who throw their lives into their jobs are less happy than those who become wives and mothers.

If you follow the link back to his post you will see how Forney has carefully footnoted all these assertions. For example, his line about women who aren’t fat having better relationships links to this carefully constructed academic study.

Oh, wait, that’s actually a link to a discussion on Yahoo Answers that’s full of alleged wisdom like this:

Fat women have to settle for less for the same reason that people: in wheelchairs, poor people [especially men], balding people, or single people with children have to settle for less. They have less to offer on the dating market, so; there is a much smaller pool of people willing to date them. And the people who are willing to date them are usually of lower quality.

You can’t argue with that kind of SCIENCE.

Forney continues:

Basically, for women, the modern feminist consumerist lifestyle is a path to misery and loneliness.

[Citation needed] [And by “citation” I don’t mean “some dude spouting shit on Yahoo answers”]

In light of that knowledge, ask yourself this: who are the real misogynists? The ones who are guiding women back onto the path to happiness, or the ones encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?

Here’s an example of Forney “guiding women back onto the path of happiness,” taken from an earlier post on his own blog:

Bashing fat girls is all well and good, but how many of us have taken the fight to the enemy? By not viciously rubbing their hideousness in their faces, we are encouraging fatties to blimp up even more. Silence implies consent.

Back to his Freedom Twenty-Five post:

The fact is if you defend and excuse away womens’ bad behavior, fully aware that they’re harming themselves, you don’t truly love them. If you want to avert someone from traveling down the path towards death and destitution, you’re going to have to get in their face and risk hurting their feeeelings. In that sense, not only do we in the manosphere love women, we perhaps love them more than any other men in the world.

The manosphere is a space for men, but it also doubles as a mass intervention for the female of the species. Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies. You might learn something.

Matt Forney, you’re a shithead.

I say that out of love.

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Hank
Hank
8 years ago

I did not know this but now I am blessed and somewhat more educated.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

I dunno, man. Before you start going about shaming people for their sexuality, weight, and life choices, I demand scientific studies proving the following.

1) Sluts, fat women, and career-focused women are less happy than women who are not those things.
2) This effect is not caused by some other factor (such as people being douchebags to them, or women who are virginal at marriage being more likely to grow up in subcultures that shame divorce).
3) Shaming is an effective method to get people to not be slutty, fat, or career-focused.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
8 years ago

Well, in my experience (n=1) adult virgins have a 0% probability of divorce. This is probably related to me not being married…

(I know he probably meant that women who are virgins when they get married are less likely to divorce, but… that’s not what he said.)

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies.

Does he think that putting extra e’s in the word feelings makes it a ridiculous concept? Would it work for other words, too? I put money in the caaaaaaaash register. So is the word cash now meaningless and silly?

drst
drst
8 years ago

Silence implies consent.

That’s why this guy should never, ever get laid right there.

Gametime
Gametime
8 years ago

Ozy, I’m confident there are literally tens of Yahoo answers proving all of those things. BOOM, SCIENCE

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

feminist consumerist

Feminism isn’t consumerist. Consumerism isn’t feminist. I agree that too much consumerism can contribute to a person’s unhappiness, but it has nothing to do with feminism.

drst
drst
8 years ago

Also as a fat career-oriented woman*, my experience disproves his thesis, therefore argument is invalid! (Hey that’s more data than he used.)

(*I’m sure Owly would call me a slut since I wore a tank top underneath a sweater that one time, but meh.)

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Also science means something. Too many people think you can come up with a hypothesis about something you’ve been thinking about, and you’ve just practiced science. No, dumbasses, that’s like buying a garden hose and saying that you washed the car.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

“We love you. Now shut up because we don’t give a shit about what you think or feel”.

This reminds me of being told “quit you’re sniveling or I’ll give you something to really cry about”. Something I heard frequently as a child.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

While Mike (and other shitheads with a chip on their shoulder about the women around them not providing boners) silence is appreciated, I don’t give a tinkers damn about their opinion. I’m pretty sure that a large majority of the human population also feels this way. Now, how do we get Mike and his friends to understand this very simple concept?

Joanna
8 years ago

“encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?”

So touched that you care but I like making mistakes sometimes. Builds character and I learn something new ^_^

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Also this is a really abusive dynamic. “I care about you! I’m hurting you because I LOOOOOOOOVE YOU!”

skeptifem
8 years ago

There isn’t even evidence that weight is a good indicator of health. I mean fuck, hating fat women “for their own good” rests entirely on that premise and its not supported by evidence despite heaps of studies.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Jesus Christ, what a git.

He is aware that feminism isn’t something women dreamed up because lulz, right? Feminism is the response to women as a group being unhappy with the state of their lives and coming together to combat shared grievances.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Dear Women, who cares about you more: feminists, or angry dicks on the internet who just want to shame you for making choices that don’t please their egos and penises?

Hm. This rhetorical question leads you to a very different answer if you load it differently.

drst
drst
8 years ago

Also this is a really abusive dynamic. “I care about you! I’m hurting you because I LOOOOOOOOVE YOU!”

Exactly. “You’re MAKING ME hurt you. If you’d just stop being such a fat slut, I wouldn’t have to do this!”

Such a fucking twisted rationale. No, you are an independent adult capable of self-control who has free will. You are choosing to harm, you asshole.

Hank
Hank
8 years ago

I care that they care.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Women who are virgins are exponentially less likely to divorce

Heheheh, loser made a stupid mistake. I mock him.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

‘Silence implies consent’. Actually, you not being the fucking boss of me implies I don’t need your goddamn consent for anything. Further, you not being the boss of me means you don’t have the right to emotionally manipulate me to you r own ends. So, kindly shut the fuck up now, kay? There’s a peach.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Matt, I say this out of love: I don’t give a tiny rat’s ass what your boner thinks about my appearance, career, or life in general. Take your abuser logic and cram it sideways, bubba.
I wish you self-awareness.

xoxo
hellkell

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

In light of that knowledge, ask yourself this: who are the real misogynists? The ones who are guiding women back onto the path to happiness, or the ones encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?

But remember, it’s actually MRAs and not feminists who view women as adults.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago
timetravellingfool
8 years ago

The fact is if you defend and excuse away womens’ bad behavior, fully aware that they’re harming themselves, you don’t truly love them.

Beyond the obvious bullshit in this statement, why are you trying to love me already? I sure as hell don’t love you. I don’t even like you. I don’t want your icky damaged version of love. Go away with it, burn it with fire, it is gross. See, this is a twisted version of mistaking patronizing control for respect. So and so obviously respects his wife/daughter/sister/mistress- he won’t let her out of the house where danger lurks, he keeps her safe. At home. With him. There is a not so subtle difference between respecting someone for who they are, or just as a human being, and valuing them for what they can do for you. Shitforbrains does not ‘love’ women or respect them, he tries to make them suitable to him so he can use them. All the while trying to convince us that we will be ever so happy if we give him hard-ons.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

Bleh. I almost prefer MEM super-villain style monologing, At least it’s more honest than this self-serving bilge.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

Off topic but it may cheer people up to read reviews of binders* that have started springing up on Amazon.

*women not included

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

@ drst and the silence implies consent thing- Woooaaa, good eye, there. That one flew under my radar.

cloudiah
8 years ago

I love those Amazon comments. Also OT, but this is a cute puffin.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

Puffin! That was so cute it made BoyFantastic get killed in his videogame.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Please apologize to BoyFantastic on my behalf.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

@cloudiah

I forgot how cute puffins were! *squee*

bekabot
bekabot
8 years ago

“Beyond the obvious bullshit in this statement, why are you trying to love me already? I sure as hell don’t love you. I don’t even like you. I don’t want your icky damaged version of love. Go away with it, burn it with fire, it is gross.”</em.

Yah. Where this guy goes wrong is: he doesn't understand that women don't want him to truly love them. What women want is for him to leave them alone. That could be an honest or a dishonest mistake but either way it's his firs false premise and the origin of all his other crap.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Since I’m already going all OT in this thread, I’m just going to continue with another example of the ridiculous things MRAs find to be angry about.

Okay, it isn’t the greatest slogan. But the poster is actually gender-neutral! Shouldn’t they be happy? A bunch of them even think the image makes it look more like the woman is the offender — shouldn’t that be like Yahtzee for them?

And they’re all trying to pretend that “inappropriately” is so hard to define.

Sara
Sara
8 years ago

Im not sure how being a virgin ensures a happy marriage. Oh, he means a virgin UNTIL married! terrible writing, and also not necessarily true. Also studies show (not yahoo studies of course) that unmarried women are less depressed than married women. Where is he getting his SCIENCE!?

oh, and Women are their own species? Explains why we’re so often referred to as “females”.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

I WIN THE INTERNET!

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

I wish you self-awareness.

Oh, Hellkell, that’s just cruel.

Biot
Biot
8 years ago

I don’t know about how well this will go over, but here’s my tough-love message to Matt Forney:

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Funny…studies also show that married men are happier. Yet somehow I don’t think that advice would go over well in the manosphere. Also those “virgins less likely to divorce” studies? one of them was done by The Heritage Foundation. Real unbiased organization there. Also correlation does not imply causation. Also I still haven’t come across one good explanation why divorce rates are the be all end all for civilization.

Ever notice also how the manosphere never ever brings up the topic of fat men, except when they’re childishly trying to insult David? Being in shape only has positive effects on women now and not men? Or could it possibly be that they don’t give a rats ass about our health, just how we look and if it appeals to their bonerz or not.

I mean this is so similar to some other manosphere rationalizations regarding the past denial of women’s rights. Usually they go like this: silly women! the only reason men denied you the right to vote/work/own your property was for your own good!!! it was to keep you safe…we all know how dangerous voting and owning your house is! Its fair we get to physically punish you too, afterall as your OWNERS we’re responsible if you do something bad. So what if you’re legally considered property, think of me, the poor man and all the responsibility it is to own a woman. But worship me for being such a loving owner!”

“Silence implies consent”

ah…this is the cherry on the cake though. Not at all surprising considering manospherians and their horrid views on rape. No creepwad, silence does not imply consent. It implies either or, or if anything, indifference.

*finishes off Toblerone from last night* tastes so much better knowing that it pisses them off 😛

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

The manosphere is frequently accused of being misogynistic because we mock fat girls, disdain sluts and criticize the behavior of modern women.

Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies.

The irony, it burns.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Cloudiah

could you link to just the poster? I really don’t want to click on that thread :S

cloudiah
8 years ago

@Quackers, that’s understandable. 0_0
Here ’tis:comment image

themisanthropicmuse
themisanthropicmuse
8 years ago

He also complains that ‘allowing’ women to be fat allows for them to give birth to ‘retards’ (seriously wtf?!) that he has to pay tax money for the care of. He’s a real humanitarian that guy.

His post gives me yet another reason to be glad that I am a fat chick. I love that my mere existence is enough to piss off self-important jerks like him.

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

AAAHH! OhholyshitthatgifcreepyasFUCK!

freitag235
freitag235
8 years ago

“We hate you because we care. Really, ladies, this is why we hate you.”

“So you’ll work extra hard to become the self-motivating blow-up dolls that we want you to be. Exist to please us. Don’t have sex before we met you because slut and it makes us insecure. Be the exact size {whatever} that we like because what we like. Be our perfect little RealDoll because that’s what we want and you having any independent ideas about what works for you in your life is A Bad Thing. Stop thinking of yourself as a person because RealDoll without batteries or whatever they use. It’s all about us so accept it and get over it and be RealDoll that cooks and cleans.”

Fuck. I used to be a 13-year-old and I was an asshole because 13. I grew up. Give it a try fellas. You’d be amazed how much bigger the world gets, and how much more interesting it becomes.

themisanthropicmuse
themisanthropicmuse
8 years ago

By the way, how big of a douche must one be to suggest that other people must get your consent or approval for matters pertaining to their own bodies? Who gives a fuck what you like or don’t, Matt Forney? It’s none of your business, asshole.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

They are seriously offended by that? what the ever loving fuck?

actually to me it looks like the woman is the one who looks like she’s trying to cop a feel while the guy is just standing there.

Why can’t they just come out and admit they want there to be zero campaigns or laws against sexual harassment? they just don’t want it discussed ever, because no matter what they will pull the misandry card. And they accuse us of trying to remove freedom of speech.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

According to r/mr, there’s no need for anti-harassment campaigns because the only women who take advantage of increased enforcement are bored, malicious women who want to victimize random men for no reason.

chibigodzilla
8 years ago

Meanwhile, they probably think wearing this shirt is hi-fucking-larious…..

princessbonbon
8 years ago

And the people who are willing to date them are usually of lower quality.

I know that you Matt Forney think that any man who does not complain that a woman is not a biddable virginal male approved weight woman is not that high quality however the rest of us actually think men who not judgmental smegheads like you are pretty darn high quality.

mxe354
8 years ago

“Silence implies consent.”

Disgusting beyond belief.

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