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Reddit MRA upvote brigade to the rescue! Or, the Battle of the Urban Dictionary Atheism+ Definition

Reddit MRAs, heeding the call to service, once again prove what dedicated activists they are. Check out the upvotes on this baby!

Today Urban Dictionary, tomorrow the world! (Also, check out those tags!)

Oh, and in case you were wondering, Reddit MRAs also wield a mean downvote; see definition numero dos.

Of course, Man Boobzers reign supreme where it really counts: the Rationalization Hamster meme!

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MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
9 years ago

I feel I should point out that there are religions that explicitly support religious freedom for everyone…

(I think Unitarian Christianity’s one of them? May be wrong.)

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
9 years ago

That’s a good idea for me to read Ballotpedia before November’s election. I saw some signs in front of a liquor store against one proposition, but that’s it. And yes, I agree it’s bad for them to write ballots so confusing that you need a law degree to figure out. Other people think so, too, because my husband and in laws always ask me the best way to vote.

I should have been more skeptical reading the ballot, because it said it ensures Missourians have the freedom of religion. That should have clued me in, because we got freedom of religion already.

otherwise, it’s far, far too easy to end up voting to support abusing puppies when you thought you were voting to support small business owners

My mom knew the bill had to do with puppy mills, because animal rights activists put ads on TV. She voted no because she thought it was saying “Should puppy mills be legal?” so she voted no, they should not be legal. It’s even harder for people like her, because she doesn’t know how to get on the Internet, send emails, read text messages, or anything requiring tech skills.

princessbonbon
9 years ago

Honestly I think they write them that way to make it hard for you to understand because then you will be more likely to vote the way they want you to.

Of course in Arizona I know a lot of people who tend to vote straight up no on anything proposed by the state lege.

Dvärghundspossen
9 years ago

@Peartree:

Is a secular state really just an atheist ideal? I don’t believe in God but if I did I don’t think I would be happy if the state told me I had to worship God in one way when I believed God should be worshipped in another.

EXACTLY.
Now I’m fortunate enough to live in a secular society, except for the idiot part about the royal family having to be protestants (I mean, I wish we didn’t have royals at all, but if we do have them they should have freedom of religion). But on the whole, I think Sweden is one of the most secular countries in the world.

However, I remember when Bush senior, during operation desert storm, claimed that God supported him. I wasn’t a member myself, but friends with many members, of a baptist church back then. Many of these members, including the reverend, had strong religiously motivated pacifist convictions. They were really disturbed when they heard Bush going on about God supporting war, it was like blasphemy to them. To an atheist, it’s just gonna be stupid.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
9 years ago

I heard today that the wrong election date has been printed on the Spanish-translated voter registration forms in Maricopa County. I swear this shit would be rejected by the writers of Itchy and Scratchy for being too cartoonishly evil.

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

You’d think in a country where we hover around a fifty percent turnout for a presidential election, everyone would be all charged up to encourage voting. Instead the most urgent thing is to purge voter roles and foil fraudulent ballot-casters! Oh, and keep undesirables from getting to the polls in the first place. Seems like a fair amount of people in the U.S. still believe in the kind of democracy that was prevalent in colonial days (ie, white property holders were the only ones to get a ballot).

princessbonbon
9 years ago

Well you know, have to get Sheriff Joe back in there (HI DEPUTIES, I HOPE YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING A GOOD DAY. THANKS FOR TRANSPORTING THIS WEEK) otherwise the world will COME TO AN END.

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

People’s views on a secular society thing is a puzzle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in sweater as far as I’m concerned. I live in a very conservative corner of the United States, and I’ve heard separation of church and state defined about nine different ways; most people like to boil the establishment clause of the First Amendment down to “religious freedom” so that they can use it as they see fit. Since I’m guaranteed “religious freedom,” that means that my religious views are protected, even if it means that I’m discriminating against someone else (for example, “I don’t want to rent to that gay person, because the Bible says it’s wrong. So I’m not gonna.”). Many, MANY Christian conservatives of my acquaintance also deeply believe that the U.S. was founded by Christian men, based on Christian principles – so they’re right, everyone different is wrong, and this is God’s own country. If you combine a belief that your right to do whatever your holy book says is protected, with a belief that your religion is the backbone of the nation you live in, stuff can get wacky.

With that in mind, I do feel a little sympathy for atheists who seem hyper sensitive to persecution. I can see where it would be tough to stick to your principles in certain environments. I’m non-religious myself, and it’s not fun to explain your shaky agnosticism to the lady who wants your kid to join her Christian karate camp. But do I think I’ve got it tougher than the homeless, the working poor, or pretty much any minority? Heck, no. Is the fact that some pharmacists feel it’s perfectly valid to decline to fill my birth control prescription because it conflicts with their personal beliefs more pressing to me than the fact that the other moms at playgroup might steer clear from my big, bad god-questioning self? Heck yeah.

Richard Claverie
9 years ago

Thanks for highlighting this. I admin a fb page for atheists and one of posters linked to UD and told everyone to up rate the MRA definition.

This basically confirms the poster is an MRA and his now on the admin radar.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Princessbonbon: Sheriff Joe scares the hell out of me, and I don’t even live in AZ.

nerdypants
nerdypants
9 years ago

I do feel a little sympathy for atheists who seem hyper sensitive to persecution

In Australia what little prejudice there is isn’t such a big deal, however I was shocked to learn that in the US, voters would be more likely to vote for a Muslim or a gay or lesbian than an atheist[1]. That implies all kinds of horrible things about how atheists are regarded in the US, at least those who are out about their beliefs.

do I think I’ve got it tougher than the homeless, the working poor, or pretty much any minority?

I guess in the world of atheist MRAs, if they can believe that men have it tougher than women, it might not be too hard to think that atheists have it tougher than anyone else. Kyriarchy is a dirty feminist idea anyway.

[1] 43% would not vote for an otherwise-qualified atheist from their preferred political party http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx

princessbonbon
9 years ago

Princessbonbon: Sheriff Joe scares the hell out of me, and I don’t even live in AZ.

It is pretty much assumed by every politician in the county he has a file on on us. Which is why I said hi to the deputies.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
9 years ago

Nerdypants – yeah, I think atheists here get a lot less hassle than in lots of places in the US. I suspect apathy is our state religion. It’s just wankers like Jim Wallace or Peter Jensen or the Mad Monk who have any hangups about us having an atheist as Prime Minister – and I suspect it’s her sex that really pisses them off.

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

I heard today that the wrong election date has been printed on the Spanish-translated voter registration forms in Maricopa County.

If someone told me I was the last not-racist person living in Maricopa I would totally believe them, straight up.

Sheriff Joe scares the hell out of me, and I don’t even live in AZ.

He’s been running campaign ads highlighting his role in shutting down dog fighting rings.

Remember kids, he hates gays, brownies, and is totally okay with people sexually abusing you, but he LOVES your puppy!

/barf

pitchguest
pitchguest
9 years ago

Brilliant, David. Because the definition that criticises Atheism Plus has been upvoted more, it must have been MRA’s. Which is your shtick now: anyone that doesn’t agree with you is a raving sexist, misogynist MRA. If that’s the kind of narrative that interests you about Atheism Plus then maybe it’s not such a stretch to call it a fraud.

However, maybe you can tell me this: why is it that every proponent of the Atheism Plus movement only speak of feminism over other social justice issues? Why is it that rape victims are told they’d be better off dead when they confine with the community? Why is it that male rape victims are told to fuck off? Why is it that the description on the website says ‘apply scepticism to everyone and *everything*’ yet when you do, you’re accused of derailing, concern/tone trolling and being an MRA in disguise? Why is it that Matt Dillahunty got banned from the Atheism Plus forum for discovering a flaw in their moderation policy and subsequently told to apologise? Most importantly of all, what has anything of this to do with atheism?

Why is it that the forum have all these things in spades, but not a single post about atheism? Why is it that it has not a single post about gay rights? Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the poor? Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the homeless? (I trust you know what the fearless leader of the Atheism Plus brigade said of a homeless person. So much for caring about social justice issues. Funny you never mentioned that, I suppose it was embarassing, but then you only mock ‘misogyny.’)

Jennifer McCreight herself admitted she co-opted atheism to make it more politically viable. She herself admits she wanted to create a “safe space” for people to speak openly about these issues, but then why are most who do banned from the forum for aforementioned offenses? Perhaps, David, the person who wrote that about Atheism Plus has a point? And may I remind you that in your “trigger warning” it says your blog is “loosely moderated” – yeah, except for all those comments that were deleted (memoryholed) and/or not accepted through moderation. Loosely (or is that lousily?) moderated indeed.

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

That implies all kinds of horrible things about how atheists are regarded in the US, at least those who are out about their beliefs.

I think that’s kind of a catch-22. Most people in my little neck of the woods are Christian, and I’d bet that most of them have never met. You get told in your church that having no belief is incompatible with goodness, so you assume all sorts of awful things about atheists. And since it’s a hassle, most nonbelievers aren’t “out.” So when the religious folks meet ethical, compassionate people, they just assume that the excellence comes from a personal relationship with Christ, when it may be conscious or reason or other deep personal convictions that are the real motivations. So no one ever meets a good atheist, therefore the idea of evil atheists can continue unsullied.

I think atheists need better PR; maybe these guys should put effort into running a food drive or funding a shelter instead of upvoting stuff on Urban Dictionary?

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

“never met *an atheist*” Damn, my proof reading gets worse every day.

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

he LOVES your puppy

That reminds me of a personal essay I heard an Army infantryman read on NPR a while back. He was involved in some pretty hairy raids during the early days in Afghanistan, and when he got home people pumped him for stories about his derring-do. He sit there nonplussed while they’d cheer the demise of other people in a foreign country. Then the soldier would mention something about having to shoot a couple of wild dogs who tried to attack him on the edge of the airfield. Suddenly he’d go from being the he-man hero of the hour to the creep who assassinates innocent animals. It makes sense that the inverse would work for good ol’ Sheriff Joe.

cloudiah
9 years ago

pitchguest, dude, who other than MRAs uses the term mangina?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

However, maybe you can tell me this: why is it that every proponent of the Atheism Plus movement only speak of feminism over other social justice issues? Why is it that rape victims are told they’d be better off dead when they confine with the community? Why is it that male rape victims are told to fuck off?

[citation needed], but do go on being a super rational skeptical d00d.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Why is it that the forum have all these things in spades, but not a single post about atheism?

You’re right, it doesn’t have a single post about atheism, it has a whole sub-forum full of posts about atheism

Why is it that it has not a single post about gay rights?

Yup, this post about helping a gay man avoiding being deported to Uganda doesn’t exist. For that matter, this post about homophobia and rape culture in the Marines and this post with a petition to remove the gay panic defense from law in Queensland, Australia don’t exist either.

Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the poor? Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the homeless?
Like this post about World Homeless Action Day and this post about an atheist group organizing giveaways to the homeless? There’s a search function, you know.

(I trust you know what the fearless leader of the Atheism Plus brigade said of a homeless person. So much for caring about social justice issues. Funny you never mentioned that, I suppose it was embarassing, but then you only mock ‘misogyny.’)

As a matter of fact I don’t, please share this sordid tale, I’m sure it will be just as accurate as your other statements.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Oh, forgot a blockquote on this bit:

Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the poor? Why is it that it has not a single post about the struggles of the homeless?

inurashii
inurashii
9 years ago

Hmm. Pitchguest sure does seem to like addressing David by his first name…

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Inurashi, you’re right, and they’ve got a giant bug up their ass about atheism, plus a whiff of “whhhhyyyyyy aren’t you addressing THIS.”

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

an atheist group organizing giveaways to the homeless

Yay! I stand corrected on my need for a food drive, atheists (ones on A +, no less) are doing good deeds in the public eye. The upvote dudes can go back to upvoting.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

He does seem to be very, very concerned about David’s schtick, and what else David should be doing. I wonder if he’s anybody we know?

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

Oo, you guys are onto something. He used the word “schtick,” too. Clues galore!

Fitzy
Fitzy
9 years ago

Ninja’d by TL! *tips hat*

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
9 years ago

But does he seem… bored by all of this schtick? *puts sunglasses on* *walks off while The Who play*

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Nah, no way is he bored by David’s schtick. No one this concerned about David’s schtick would ever, ever describe themselves as bored by it. That would just be self-refuting, and thus too silly for an internet pseudonym.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Why do these trolls just come in and state things that are completely false and can be easily refuted with a simple search? Do they really believe what they’re saying is true or do they just assume everyone will simply take them at their word?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

PitchSchticky, dude, nobody here is interested in your attempts to start a feud with David over Atheism +. Take it to email if you really must keep nattering on about it.

princessbonbon
9 years ago

Remember kids, he hates gays, brownies, and is totally okay with people sexually abusing you, but he LOVES your puppy!

Well remember, he DID charge that officer from Chandler PD for leaving his dog in the car…while ignoring the three deputies in his own department who did the same thing.

If someone told me I was the last not-racist person living in Maricopa I would totally believe them, straight up.

Now come on, that is not fair to Maricopa County-we have a lot of non-racist people here. Would you say Kyrsten Sinema is? David Schapira? Mary Rose Wilcox?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
9 years ago

A troll who puts the word misogyny into scare quotes … yeah, schtickypitchfail, we’re so going to take you seriously after that little give-away.

pitchguest
pitchguest
9 years ago

Pecunium: Maybe you should learn to use the search function?

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1478&start=50

Myoo:

Jen McCreight on her Twitter feed wondered why her day had to be interrupted by walking by a homeless person masturbating. Then a follow-up post that insinuated this homeless person needed her consent to masturbate. It was fucking ridiculous.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/JMcC1.png
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/JMcC2.png
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/JMcC7.jpg
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/JMcC5.png
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/JMcC4.png

The supposed leader of Atheism Plus. Left her flagship, though, for greener pastures. However, it seems the Atheism Plus forum is in good hands when one of its moderators tells a male rape victim they’d be better off dead than raped and not banned for the offense – because of ignorance of speaking to a rape victim, apparently, which would only make it more appropriate, I suppose. Don’t know if someone’s a rape victim? Tell them they’d be off dead. *head desk*

David: What I did in the Amanda Todd thread was attempt to provide a bit of *balance.* You know, when you’re trying to not just speak from one side. The funny thing is I *did* clarify; I don’t agree with his comments about Todd, I don’t agree with his particular view on it, but I was *trying* to give you some perspective. Perspective you severely lack as you’re so obsessed with calling people sexist, misogynist and MRA’s, and ‘mocking misogyny’, it’s taken over your ability to be objective. If you’ve ever had that ability in the first place, frankly the site is beginning to resemble Jihadwatch, Memri and PressTV. Not a smidgeon of objectivity as far as the eye can see, and your story on TAA and Todd face-smackingly obvious how biased it was.

I disagreed with your contention calling him an ‘all around terrible person.’ That doesn’t automatically mean I agree with everything he says including Todd, for anyone who has a problem with cognitive dissonance. That means I don’t agree with that particular assessment, because a) he’s not and b) he cares about both women and men, and teenagers who commit suicide too, evidently by his latest video. (Which I linked and you deleted.) However, he’s crass, he doesn’t mince words and he’s a bit of an asshole. More than a bit of an asshole, in his own words. And you know what, I agree. He is. But that doesn’t mean he’s ‘an all around terrible person’, as your hyperbole seemed to suggest. It doesn’t mean I *defend* him and it doesn’t mean I’m trivialising what happened to Todd. On the other hand, in TAA’s latest video, he brings up Todd (I assume you watched it and not just deleted it outright?) and why he feels the way he feels. Balance.

Oh, and on the MRA/Reddit thing: Really? A comment thread with 46 comments that halfway down links to the urbandictionary entry where *ONE* of them thinks they should upvote suggests to you it’s done by the MRA? Brilliant.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Pitchschtick, you were shut down in the other thread, so you bring it here? You can’t give someone perspective, especially when your perspective is asinine and factually bereft. If you’re so concerned about balance, go start your own blog.

Are you not able to grasp what the header of this site means? Do you need a refresher on mockery?

pecunium
9 years ago

Pitchy: Pecunium: Maybe you should learn to use the search function?

Nope. Because you made the claim; you make it, you defend it. If I’d not searched with the perfect string, and said I couldn’t find it you’d probably be crowing about how dishonest I was (or perhaps stupid).

And you didn’t manage to defend your position,. That person wasn’t told they’d be better off dead. They were (badly) told that being murdered has a different effect from being raped. Murder (quite correctly) is an end-state crime. Nothing happens after it. There are no enduring effects (on the person killed; in that dead is dead; and one cannot further [so far as we know] experience anything)

Again, thank you for playing.

pecunium
9 years ago

hellkell: Does pitchy need a refresher? I don’t know, but he’s likely to get one.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

I really think this is Some Guy in a sock. The desperate whining is giving it away.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Pecunium, yes he’s about to be schooled, I’m sure.

pecunium
9 years ago

The use of, “objectivity” and the imputation of some sort of ethical requirement; as well as the use of schtick… I’m pretty sure I’d like to play poker with him, as it seems he has tells. (not all of which I’m going to share).

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Too bad he doesn’t know when to hold ’em, fold ’em, walk away, or RUN.

cloudiah
9 years ago

Is it just me, or do none of Pitch-a-Schtick’s links actually bear out his representations in his first comment?

pitchguest
pitchguest
9 years ago

Peconium: Only if you have trouble reading. Are you defending piegasm’s insinuation that a male rape victim would be better off dead than raped? If you’d gone back to read the thread, which I’m sure you didn’t, you’d know the rape victim very clearly outlined his propensity for being dubbed a potential rapist. Piegasm chimes in that in a woman’s point of view, the possibility that the man is a rapist is 50/50 to which Cuduggan2K2 says this is whack and asks piegasm if he/she thought this about murderers as well, leading to this exchange,

Cuduggan2K2:
“Agreed, but does it increase it beyond that of murder? If you are murdered, you cease to be, surely that is a higher cost than having been the victim of something with no recourse.”

piegasm:
“You just said it. You cease to be after being murdered, thus you’re not continuing to endure any costs related to having been murdered.”

In other words, better to be dead than raped. I’m not surprised at your obfuscation.

Hellkell: David brought it up.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Are you seriously gonna make a “he started it” argument? Are you 12? Fuck off.

cloudiah
9 years ago

So Pitchy, your position is that it’s totally fine for anyone to masturbate in public, in full view of other people, including children? What other sexual acts do people have the right to inflict on non-consenting people passing by?

cloudiah
9 years ago

hellkell, I think he would have to be at least 13 to be able to spell “obfuscation” correctly.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
9 years ago

Now Pitchy’s all made because Dave
deleted his comment. “I’m brave,
and I like being mean –
so she’s dead at fifteen –
so why can’t I dance on her grave?”

My apologies for shortening your name, David. It’s much easier to rhyme that way.