Uh oh! Do I sense a manosphere civil war coming on? Over on MGTOWforums, some of the regulars are spitting mad at A Voice for Men. In a thread with the lovely title “So it begins: AVfM diluted by cuntspeak,” the MGTOWer calling himself fairi5fair takes aim at a recent post by – get this! – a woman on AVFM.
Not only that, but a woman who suggests that maybe MRAs spend too much time talking about female “hypergamy.” For the uninitiated, that’s a word that means “the practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste,” but that in the overheated imaginations of angry manosphere dudes has come to mean “all women are filthy lying golddigging whores who will ruthlessly exploit poor beta males and betray them by sleeping with any alpha male who wanders by, also by the way I hate women.”
Never mind that the woman in question writing on AVFM – Aimee McGee – is a thoroughly reactionary FeMRA sort who does indeed think that the manosphere version of hypergamy really is a thing, and who simply questions the strategic utility of bringing it up all the time. Evidently the MGTOWforums can’t stand even that teensy bit of criticism from someone with a vagina.
And so they let loose, at Ms. McGee and at AVFM for allowing her a platform. Linking to her AVFM piece, fairi5fair declares that it’s
a prime example of what happens when you let some women stick their fingers in your men’s rights pie. …
Fuck you, Aimee Mcgee. No, the MRM should absolutely educate young men about how hypergamy works and has worked for thousands of years so that they can protect themselves from exploitation….
So, Aimee McGee, you can go pound sand. The last thing we need is some dumb cunt backseat driving the MRM right into the mealy-mouthed gutter.
Others join in the attack. Bob is aghast that anyone would criticize his sacred right to badmouth women for being ruthless exploiters of hapless men.
The knowledge of hypergamy and it’s many implications is one of the most essential ingredients of the Red Pill. …
Without understanding hypergamy, you don’t understand why every fucking thing that 99.999% (conservatively) of women say and do is a lie.
To fail to teach a young man the dangers of hypergamy – and to condemn the women who fail to control their own hypergamy, as traditions used to do – is prepare young boys for butchery.
He follows these remarks with a quotation from Ayn Rand, evidently not seeing the GIGANTIC IRONY of doing that.
The Great One accuses Ms. McGee herself of hypergamy:
Yep, I skimmed the B.S. and it is just yet another female that is with a man being put through the court system by an ex. It amazing how quickly they change their tune when all the cash that their man could be spending on them suddenly disappears due to alimony and child support going to an ex. …
They can go from radical feminist to supporter of men’s rights at the drop of a hat when it suddenly suits their needs. These females will also go right the hell back to feminist when they think that feminism is going to get them what they want. …
Yet another thanks to the mods for keeping the estrogen away from this place. They just gotta stick their goofy giraffe heads in every fish bar.
No
, I have no idea what that last sentence means either. [See below for an illustration of what this might look like.]
Speaking of complete incoherence, I Live for me not “WE” pops into the discussion to offer an angry little rant that contains this bit of wisdom:
Nature makes them grab a cotton plug every month but not all of them are deranged psychos when they do. Some are just bloated and irritable.. Some suddenly cry..Some are incredibly horny and I always found that disgusting but its NATURE.
Shade47 makes clear that he prefers his Men’s Rights movement women-free:
AVfM is an extreme disappointment.
They failed to observe history and let a woman enter their group. Now they are going to become history. Another statistic created by some miscellaneous attention whore. Chumps …
I will never support a MRA group that allows women to have a voice.
BusterMcFriendly suggests that FeMRAs are only in it for MRA badboy cock. No, seriously:
[T]he MRM are nothing but counter-cultural badboys. Don’t be fooled. Women in the MRM are just trying to hook an MRM superstar. I bet John the Other has marriage proposals on a weekly basis. Good God! Women are so stupid.
Obmon is outraged that any woman would dare try to speak for men:
The point of MGTOW is that they recognize the fact that ALL women LIE. They lie to get what they want. They lie to invade spaces meant for men. They lie to convince us that they are NAWALT. They lie to show us that they agree just so they can take over the argument. They lie so they can lie in the future. … Like a child doing something nice for mommy so he can tell her later that he broke her favorite vase.
A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR MEN. EVER. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Only a woman would try to minimize the truth about Hypergamy. Hypergamy is THE reason for the state of the justice system, relationships, etc. EVERYTHING a woman does will ultimately lead to hypergamy.
DruidV launches into a blistering attack on AVFM and its star FeMRA, the blabby Canadian videoblogger who calls herself Girl Writes What:
I used to really enjoy that place [AVFM] but now it’s just like the NFL locker room. Cunts everywhere, stinking up the joint, blathering on like they understand anything other than their own miserable hypergamy. I knew right where AVFM was heading, the very first time I saw an article either ghost written or not, by GWW and friends asking (paraphrased): “What’s in the MRM for women?”
As if this question in and of itself wasn’t egregiously disgusting enough, her nebulously not surprising answer seemed to be “My boyfriend, my boyfriend, my boyfriend!!!!” which was then promptly golf-clapped into acceptance by the usual suspects. Christ, this bitch can’t get thru 2 sentences without having to remind us all that some mangina is properly kissing her glorious, grrrrl powered ass. Also, she seems to really want to be “the tits of the Men’s movement”, or some other such xx inspired tripe like that. …
These pathetic xxs like Asshole McGee, GWW and other xx “friends”, who are only just now jumping on the MRM bandwagon out of sheer desperation at seeing feminazism’s exposure and collapse and since they can easily see what lies ahead for themselves personally, are only interested in saving their own asses and being on the winning team. You can bet your ass these xxs would dump the MRM in a fucking heartbeat for feminazism, or anything else, that might possibly be able to do anything about the perfectly understandable backlash against xxs today. Makes me fucking sick to my core, and I already have a gut full of femallian treachery. …
Fuck you very much, Bitchface McGee, “Dr” Elam and all the rest of you grovelling AVFM idiots, who are still too fucking clueless to ever admit to yourselves or anyone else; AWALT! Take your fucking balls out of GWW’s purse and give these cunts the boot, FFS. That, or watch your male membership numbers dwindle to next to nothing as all teh menz head on over here, where ours is not now, nor ever to be co-opted by cunts. …
P.S. Maybe we can all pitch in and send AVFM some pink doilies, soaps and throw rugs for their clubhouse toilet.
There are several more pages of comments that follow, but, honestly, nothing quite tops that one.
EDITED TO ADD: Intrepid Man Boobz commenter Myoo has drawn us this excellent picture of what a giraffe sticking its goofy head in a fish bar might look like. 
Well shit, there realy is a good reaso not to stare at the sun. Retina burn is one thing, but trying to find enough brain bleach for the entire planet is another.
I agree that it seems to mostly be a pretty ineffective movement, but unfortunately some of their more destructive ideas are very pervasive, especially with regards to sexual assault. A lot of people seem to buy into the idea that men can’t be raped, or that women lie about being date raped. And, how I hate how evolution has been co-opted to “explain” why men and women were meant to live out 1950s gender roles.
David – milk bars are very much a thing! I think the equivalent English term would be an off-license. They’re still around here in Australia, though 7-11 has knocked a lot of them out of business. Think of a small shop that sells milk, other cold drinks, sweets,cigarettes, and sometimes a very small range of groceries. Milk bars have been here forever and certainly predate Clockwork Orange (yes, I’m looking at you, Wetherby!). 😉
That’s… not an off-license.
Off-license is a contraction of the term “licensed to sell alcohol for consumption off the premises.” It’s a shop that sells booze; the term’s not associated with any other goods.
I have a feeling that the debate on the origins of the word “fish bar” is just going to run and run.
MorkaisChosen – ta for that clarification. The weird thing is that off-licenses in the UK are where I bought exactly the stuff I’d get at a milk bar – milk itself, biscuits, crisps, etc. That’s why I used the term; the alcohol seemed to be the only item where they differed.
Really? Hmm.
Not been in one… ever (I buy most of my alcohol in supermarkets), so I don’t really know what’s in there, but the alcohol’s certainly the defining trait.
Yes, the name’s indicative! But I don’t drink alcohol so I’d never have set foot in one if that was all they sold.
“P.S. Maybe we can all pitch in and send AVFM some pink doilies, soaps and throw rugs for their clubhouse toilet.”
Don’t forget the scented candles…
I’m thinking that fish bar (*snicker snicker) could mean vagina (as someone already said) and giraffe head (*snicker snicker) could mean penis, thus saying “sticking the giraffe head into the fish bar”. Maybe. It could just be stupid enough to be true!
*humor that represents MRM maturity level
@alysondaly
That sounds about right. Are you quite new here? If you are let me offer a massive “GET IN” and welcome, and if you aren’t I regret that I haven’t been around enough to see you in action here.
It almost makes sense, except the direction is wrong. The predicates make the owner of the giraffe heads the women.
There is no lack of Mysogynisitic/sexist men out there, no doubt. In my experiences in college and in being involved in a lot of Activism, whether it be anti war civil rights or the Occupy thing I can tell you there are some Misandric feminists as well. Or way over the top extreme at least. They weren’t like the women in my family who all considered themselves feminist to some extent and thought that meant women should be treated with respect as equals at work at home and basically everywhere. The ultras basically want to hold all men responsible for rape, or whatever. They are constantly prepared to twist anything a man says to be sexist and generally don’t think men should talk at all. In my experience it was usually these “feminists” being separatist and saying no boys allowed, and having separate women only events. I for one like working with women, talking with women and being coworkers team members platonic friends etc, and I’m not really a beer and football guy so all male setting can oftentimes be rather boring. One of the rationale I hear of the ultra feminist is they live in constant terror of being physically assaulted by some man, most of these women have never had this happen to them though, and most women who actually have don’t want to politicize their trauma. I am afraid of getting beat up by men too sometimes, its actually happened to me before. I won’t deny for a second men are the worser sex or whatever that men do the majority of the bad and the evil, but I was just born here in the body I was born in. It seems like a lot of feminists just wanna stereotype all men, and if there really educated feminists they will use big words and turn it into a pseudoscience. A man just bitching on and on about women, as if women are all the same would be considered sexist or even misogynist. A woman doing that is considered to be like some kind of philosopher/academic. I halfway wanna be a “male feminist” I support women’s rights wholeheartedly and while I am sure I am sexist at times I really try not to be. I however can’t get behind(lol some feminist might misinterpret that)a group of women that basically dehumanize me and judge me based on my body, who are unwilling to get to know me for who I actually am, as a human being. It seems the ultra wing of feminism has returned full circle to gender determinism. As a critic of moden feminism I doubt I will be taken real seriously but I think they really need to focus more on law and economic issues and on social issues than antics like taking photos of male classmates and making posters that say “potential rapist”. Instead of focusing on rape rape rape why not a campaign to change the culture so men wash the dishes more, or whatever. Rape obsessed feminism ironically lets the average man who is enthusiastically anti rape but still kinda sexist off the hook.
If you want to be a feminist, or have any interest in learning about it, you’ll need to put away that stockpile of hay.
@Tyler
tl;dr
Dude, paragraphs are your friend.
Tyler:
Blah, blah, blah, man-hating feminists, blah, blah, blah, you’re just too focused on rape, blah, rape isn’t that common, blah, blah, blah, you’re discriminating against men, blah, blah, I’m one of the good guys, blah, blah, blah, feminists have no sense of humor, blah, blah, blah, blah, I wanted to be a feminist but I got scared by those mean women, blah, blah, blah, feminism should be about what I say it should be, because I’m a man and I know better than some silly women.
Aw, lookit, Tyler thinks no one has ever come here with those particular lines of bullshit before.
Kitteh’s help – it’s a milk bar if there is a bar where you can sit on a stool and drink milkshakes. Otherwise it’s just a corner shop. Also where kids come in with 50 cents and spend 15 minutes choosing 2 jelly babies, 3 milk bottles, and some teeth. Remember doing that :))
We always called them “the corner shop” or just “the shop” because everyone always knew exactly which shop you meant – usually the one closest to school/home. I’m from a small town though. They still don’t have any convenience stores there AFAIK.
That used to be so much fun. You’d get such a massive bag of lollies for $1. Not anymore though 🙁
It still feels like a massive bag if you are 5 years old. And the lady puts them in a PAPER bag, not like buying a pack of lollies. 😉
This is our local milk bar:
http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/full/129337.jpg
They have a coffee machine as well, now.
Corner shops have gone the way of fruit shops. The servo is the corner shop, now.
Poor Tyler, the women giving you the stink eye when you mansplain feminism to them? Bummer.
Funny thing is, there are still corner shops around Melbourne whose signage definitely says “Milk Bar”, but they aren’t (and maybe never were) places with stools where you could sit down, like the old soda-fountain idea. Is it a Victorian thing, maybe? I know you’re from NSW, Magpie, but which state are you in, Kim, if you don’t mind saying?
Remember those Frosty Boy tetra-pack things they used to sell? The frozen ones were just chunks of ice with a splash of orange lurking somewhere in it, and the liquid ones (Sunny Boy?) were always … warm.
Warm orange juice on a hot day after school. Bleaaaaaargh.
Mind you nothing was as foul as those bottles of milk left in crates in the sun, so they were going off by the time they got handed out in class …
Ah – Victoria vs NSW words – that explains it! It’s a bit surprising how many differences there are between the two. I remember Sunny Boys, but too young for school milk. Do you remember cordial sold in plastic bottles shaped like animals? Can’t remember what they were called.
We used to get milk delivered by the postie in plastic bags. You cut the corner off and put it in a special jug.
You know, with a bit of effort I could fill the whole sidebar with Magpie wittering on about lollies and milk bars 😀