Uh oh! Do I sense a manosphere civil war coming on? Over on MGTOWforums, some of the regulars are spitting mad at A Voice for Men. In a thread with the lovely title “So it begins: AVfM diluted by cuntspeak,” the MGTOWer calling himself fairi5fair takes aim at a recent post by – get this! – a woman on AVFM.
Not only that, but a woman who suggests that maybe MRAs spend too much time talking about female “hypergamy.” For the uninitiated, that’s a word that means “the practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste,” but that in the overheated imaginations of angry manosphere dudes has come to mean “all women are filthy lying golddigging whores who will ruthlessly exploit poor beta males and betray them by sleeping with any alpha male who wanders by, also by the way I hate women.”
Never mind that the woman in question writing on AVFM – Aimee McGee – is a thoroughly reactionary FeMRA sort who does indeed think that the manosphere version of hypergamy really is a thing, and who simply questions the strategic utility of bringing it up all the time. Evidently the MGTOWforums can’t stand even that teensy bit of criticism from someone with a vagina.
And so they let loose, at Ms. McGee and at AVFM for allowing her a platform. Linking to her AVFM piece, fairi5fair declares that it’s
a prime example of what happens when you let some women stick their fingers in your men’s rights pie. …
Fuck you, Aimee Mcgee. No, the MRM should absolutely educate young men about how hypergamy works and has worked for thousands of years so that they can protect themselves from exploitation….
So, Aimee McGee, you can go pound sand. The last thing we need is some dumb cunt backseat driving the MRM right into the mealy-mouthed gutter.
Others join in the attack. Bob is aghast that anyone would criticize his sacred right to badmouth women for being ruthless exploiters of hapless men.
The knowledge of hypergamy and it’s many implications is one of the most essential ingredients of the Red Pill. …
Without understanding hypergamy, you don’t understand why every fucking thing that 99.999% (conservatively) of women say and do is a lie.
To fail to teach a young man the dangers of hypergamy – and to condemn the women who fail to control their own hypergamy, as traditions used to do – is prepare young boys for butchery.
He follows these remarks with a quotation from Ayn Rand, evidently not seeing the GIGANTIC IRONY of doing that.
The Great One accuses Ms. McGee herself of hypergamy:
Yep, I skimmed the B.S. and it is just yet another female that is with a man being put through the court system by an ex. It amazing how quickly they change their tune when all the cash that their man could be spending on them suddenly disappears due to alimony and child support going to an ex. …
They can go from radical feminist to supporter of men’s rights at the drop of a hat when it suddenly suits their needs. These females will also go right the hell back to feminist when they think that feminism is going to get them what they want. …
Yet another thanks to the mods for keeping the estrogen away from this place. They just gotta stick their goofy giraffe heads in every fish bar.
No
, I have no idea what that last sentence means either. [See below for an illustration of what this might look like.]
Speaking of complete incoherence, I Live for me not “WE” pops into the discussion to offer an angry little rant that contains this bit of wisdom:
Nature makes them grab a cotton plug every month but not all of them are deranged psychos when they do. Some are just bloated and irritable.. Some suddenly cry..Some are incredibly horny and I always found that disgusting but its NATURE.
Shade47 makes clear that he prefers his Men’s Rights movement women-free:
AVfM is an extreme disappointment.
They failed to observe history and let a woman enter their group. Now they are going to become history. Another statistic created by some miscellaneous attention whore. Chumps …
I will never support a MRA group that allows women to have a voice.
BusterMcFriendly suggests that FeMRAs are only in it for MRA badboy cock. No, seriously:
[T]he MRM are nothing but counter-cultural badboys. Don’t be fooled. Women in the MRM are just trying to hook an MRM superstar. I bet John the Other has marriage proposals on a weekly basis. Good God! Women are so stupid.
Obmon is outraged that any woman would dare try to speak for men:
The point of MGTOW is that they recognize the fact that ALL women LIE. They lie to get what they want. They lie to invade spaces meant for men. They lie to convince us that they are NAWALT. They lie to show us that they agree just so they can take over the argument. They lie so they can lie in the future. … Like a child doing something nice for mommy so he can tell her later that he broke her favorite vase.
A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR MEN. EVER. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Only a woman would try to minimize the truth about Hypergamy. Hypergamy is THE reason for the state of the justice system, relationships, etc. EVERYTHING a woman does will ultimately lead to hypergamy.
DruidV launches into a blistering attack on AVFM and its star FeMRA, the blabby Canadian videoblogger who calls herself Girl Writes What:
I used to really enjoy that place [AVFM] but now it’s just like the NFL locker room. Cunts everywhere, stinking up the joint, blathering on like they understand anything other than their own miserable hypergamy. I knew right where AVFM was heading, the very first time I saw an article either ghost written or not, by GWW and friends asking (paraphrased): “What’s in the MRM for women?”
As if this question in and of itself wasn’t egregiously disgusting enough, her nebulously not surprising answer seemed to be “My boyfriend, my boyfriend, my boyfriend!!!!” which was then promptly golf-clapped into acceptance by the usual suspects. Christ, this bitch can’t get thru 2 sentences without having to remind us all that some mangina is properly kissing her glorious, grrrrl powered ass. Also, she seems to really want to be “the tits of the Men’s movement”, or some other such xx inspired tripe like that. …
These pathetic xxs like Asshole McGee, GWW and other xx “friends”, who are only just now jumping on the MRM bandwagon out of sheer desperation at seeing feminazism’s exposure and collapse and since they can easily see what lies ahead for themselves personally, are only interested in saving their own asses and being on the winning team. You can bet your ass these xxs would dump the MRM in a fucking heartbeat for feminazism, or anything else, that might possibly be able to do anything about the perfectly understandable backlash against xxs today. Makes me fucking sick to my core, and I already have a gut full of femallian treachery. …
Fuck you very much, Bitchface McGee, “Dr” Elam and all the rest of you grovelling AVFM idiots, who are still too fucking clueless to ever admit to yourselves or anyone else; AWALT! Take your fucking balls out of GWW’s purse and give these cunts the boot, FFS. That, or watch your male membership numbers dwindle to next to nothing as all teh menz head on over here, where ours is not now, nor ever to be co-opted by cunts. …
P.S. Maybe we can all pitch in and send AVFM some pink doilies, soaps and throw rugs for their clubhouse toilet.
There are several more pages of comments that follow, but, honestly, nothing quite tops that one.
EDITED TO ADD: Intrepid Man Boobz commenter Myoo has drawn us this excellent picture of what a giraffe sticking its goofy head in a fish bar might look like. 
Yeah, OK.
It’s puzzling, Cassandra, because he seems to be implying that he’s taking the higher ground.
*snark/off*
They’d excommunicate GWW if she so much as took child support or alimony, so shut the fuck up, Steele.
HAHAHA Steelepolebuttears, mobthink and harassment is what MRAs do. Have you not been paying attention, or.
I think the feminists cared insofar as it was a means to an end – that being Schwyzer’s exile under a halfway palatable justification. I think this had long been brewing in “the back room”, as it were, and the feminists jumped at the chance when they saw it, dangling like a tasty piece of steak. If it wasn’t this, it would have been something else. He needed to go.
Damn those feminists, plotting against other feminists in their smoke-filled back rooms! What was the source of their unfair hatred of Hugo Schwyzer? Why did he have to go?
Steele, he did need to go, but not for the simple reasons you think.
@ Shiraz – if I’m following correctly, through all the unnecessary clauses he’s saying that if a woman MRA admitted to attempting to murder a former husband or boyfriend, then the MRA would gently upbraid her for her naughtiness, but basically be okay with her continuing to speak on their behalf.
To which, what can one say but Ahahaha! Hahahaha! Hahahahaha!
Remember that time this one random blogger said she was uncomfortable with a man being around toddlers in the bathroom or whatever? Mobthink and harassment Exhibit A.
“…as it were.”
Again with the faux-Morpheus bullshit.
So what you’re saying is that your moral compass is broken and you have no sense of self-preservation, and for some odd reason you assume these to be universal problems rather than specific to you.
(For any lurkers reading along, a tip – if someone discloses to you that they have in the past attempted to murder people, especially people very much like you, and they don’t appear to understand why this was a bad thing to do not because it upset them but because they nearly killed someone, get away from that person ASAP. This has been today’s dose of basic self-preservation.)
It’s the repeated attachment of the phrase “in no sense” to clauses which have only reasonable interpretation that makes me LOL.
Steele’s right, though, The Movement has made a pretty solid ally space—for women like GWW, who cheerfully quote long sections of articles arguing that women are herd animals, or TyphonBlue and her “pleasing men’s penises elevates women above livestock” article, or Nurdy Dancing and her “Misogynist is the new [N-Word]” article. Indeed, The Movement has created such a strong ally space that if men were to say things as “misandric” as misogynistic as those women’s word are, The Movement would be cheerfully deriding such male feminists as scum-sucking, pussy-begging manginas. Of course, they call pretty much every male feminist exactly that, so that’s not saying much.
“Are you two having an ugly contest? I’ll make it easy for you: You both win!” – Serious Sam
Steele, I’m only saying this because I want to like you — you need to stop trying to write. Just say what you need to say and be done with it. I know writing long compound-complex sentences is fun, but you end up with something like “however and critically” and anyone who speaks (or reads) decent English cringes in terror.
Stop trying for complexity, and start trying for clarity.
…attempted murder.
In spite of your posts here, I have a hard time believing you actually think that entire groups of women don’t give a shit about domestic violence and attempted murder unless it can be used as a means to an end. Think about it for a minute, Steele. Stifle whatever contrarian impulse drives you and think about it.
Remember, this is coming from a post where part of “the Movement” is speaking out because they don’t want “some dumb cunt backseat driving the MRM right into the mealy-mouthed gutter.”
Context is misandry — was that NWO?
I’m going to write a book. It will be about some woman in her thirties of fading beauty who meets some shy but modestly successful man who immediately falls madly in love with her despite her flaws because he is just so not shallow and such a nice guy if you get to know him. In repayment for his kindness, the woman in her thirties cheats on said nice guy, repeatedly and often, with loud and abrasive dudes with relatively more social status than the nice guy. While the nice guy can prove nothing, he knows this is happening because he is a logician extraordinaire. Anyway, after a time the woman in her thirties grows weary of the nice guy and decides to divorce him. She exchanges knowing glances with her judge and says ‘he “abused” me’. The judge chortles down the sleeve of his robe and immediately grants the woman in her thirties the nice guy’s entire salary for all time plus ten percent in case he finds a second job. The woman in her thirties both steals the nice guys children and travels back in time to abort them without the nice guy’s consent. Since the nice guy makes oh so much money, the woman in her thirties is able to support several abrasive tatooed dudes living in the nice guy’s house while financing a Feminist organization working (successfully) towards the chemical castration of all men who don’t use proper honorifics when addressing women. I am drunk.
Wait, there isn’t already someone selling that book on iamanmragivememoney.com?
Goddamnit!! Everything truly brilliant has already been written.
GUIZE
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HEY GUIZE
I FOUND THE PERFECT PICTURE OF STEELEBUTT
Which doesn’t work, for some reason.
okay try this
I am making a fan fic series of novels where steelbutt is the cool yet dominant overlord of a small group of women who fancy themselves intellectuals, but don’t have access to a subversive yet insightful group of scholars who, with their keen minds and almost preternatural insights into past philosophers, are able to perceive subtleties of logic lost on the majority of the human race. One of those women, Sileria, is particularly clever at understanding the teachings of steelbutt, despite her young age and large but proportionately sound breasts. Steelbutt takes her under his wing, invoking the enmity of older, less perceptive and attractive women. They attempt to drive the two apart, causing Sileria to cry on Steelbutt’s shoulder at least three times (and her shirt totally falls open every time). But Steelbut eventually tricks them into doing some Incredibly Embarrassing Thing in front of the whole entire world, and Sileria, despite her tender nature, is grateful to steelbut for his masterful handling of the situation. And then the less attractive and older women are forced to marry really gross and abusive husbands because they totally asked for it.
Now we just need someone to do the same for Schticky. Unfortunately he seems to want to be paired with David, and I don’t have the money to pay for the therapy bills that David might incur if he read that. Maybe it can be a tragic tale of unrequited love.
By “transgressions,” you mean “attempted murder of his girlfriend,” right?
ttf, y’know if you go writing something like that the MRM will think it’s non-fiction.
I can assure you it’s not. They’re ‘chippies’ or ‘chip shops’. It may be a veeeeery localised thing, but don’t come here and say fish bar because people will either not know what you’re talking about or look at you like you just said something obscene.
“I’ll have a pint of salmon, please”
Why do MRAs write so weirdly?
I was going to ask about that and forgot, thenatfantastic – I’m not English but I’ve been there and pretty well all the telly I’ve ever watched is from ITV/BBC/Channel4. Chippies or chip shops are what I first thought of, and I still think a fish bar sounds like some sort of sushi offshoot, lol.