Uh oh! Do I sense a manosphere civil war coming on? Over on MGTOWforums, some of the regulars are spitting mad at A Voice for Men. In a thread with the lovely title “So it begins: AVfM diluted by cuntspeak,” the MGTOWer calling himself fairi5fair takes aim at a recent post by – get this! – a woman on AVFM.
Not only that, but a woman who suggests that maybe MRAs spend too much time talking about female “hypergamy.” For the uninitiated, that’s a word that means “the practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste,” but that in the overheated imaginations of angry manosphere dudes has come to mean “all women are filthy lying golddigging whores who will ruthlessly exploit poor beta males and betray them by sleeping with any alpha male who wanders by, also by the way I hate women.”
Never mind that the woman in question writing on AVFM – Aimee McGee – is a thoroughly reactionary FeMRA sort who does indeed think that the manosphere version of hypergamy really is a thing, and who simply questions the strategic utility of bringing it up all the time. Evidently the MGTOWforums can’t stand even that teensy bit of criticism from someone with a vagina.
And so they let loose, at Ms. McGee and at AVFM for allowing her a platform. Linking to her AVFM piece, fairi5fair declares that it’s
a prime example of what happens when you let some women stick their fingers in your men’s rights pie. …
Fuck you, Aimee Mcgee. No, the MRM should absolutely educate young men about how hypergamy works and has worked for thousands of years so that they can protect themselves from exploitation….
So, Aimee McGee, you can go pound sand. The last thing we need is some dumb cunt backseat driving the MRM right into the mealy-mouthed gutter.
Others join in the attack. Bob is aghast that anyone would criticize his sacred right to badmouth women for being ruthless exploiters of hapless men.
The knowledge of hypergamy and it’s many implications is one of the most essential ingredients of the Red Pill. …
Without understanding hypergamy, you don’t understand why every fucking thing that 99.999% (conservatively) of women say and do is a lie.
To fail to teach a young man the dangers of hypergamy – and to condemn the women who fail to control their own hypergamy, as traditions used to do – is prepare young boys for butchery.
He follows these remarks with a quotation from Ayn Rand, evidently not seeing the GIGANTIC IRONY of doing that.
The Great One accuses Ms. McGee herself of hypergamy:
Yep, I skimmed the B.S. and it is just yet another female that is with a man being put through the court system by an ex. It amazing how quickly they change their tune when all the cash that their man could be spending on them suddenly disappears due to alimony and child support going to an ex. …
They can go from radical feminist to supporter of men’s rights at the drop of a hat when it suddenly suits their needs. These females will also go right the hell back to feminist when they think that feminism is going to get them what they want. …
Yet another thanks to the mods for keeping the estrogen away from this place. They just gotta stick their goofy giraffe heads in every fish bar.
No
, I have no idea what that last sentence means either. [See below for an illustration of what this might look like.]
Speaking of complete incoherence, I Live for me not “WE” pops into the discussion to offer an angry little rant that contains this bit of wisdom:
Nature makes them grab a cotton plug every month but not all of them are deranged psychos when they do. Some are just bloated and irritable.. Some suddenly cry..Some are incredibly horny and I always found that disgusting but its NATURE.
Shade47 makes clear that he prefers his Men’s Rights movement women-free:
AVfM is an extreme disappointment.
They failed to observe history and let a woman enter their group. Now they are going to become history. Another statistic created by some miscellaneous attention whore. Chumps …
I will never support a MRA group that allows women to have a voice.
BusterMcFriendly suggests that FeMRAs are only in it for MRA badboy cock. No, seriously:
[T]he MRM are nothing but counter-cultural badboys. Don’t be fooled. Women in the MRM are just trying to hook an MRM superstar. I bet John the Other has marriage proposals on a weekly basis. Good God! Women are so stupid.
Obmon is outraged that any woman would dare try to speak for men:
The point of MGTOW is that they recognize the fact that ALL women LIE. They lie to get what they want. They lie to invade spaces meant for men. They lie to convince us that they are NAWALT. They lie to show us that they agree just so they can take over the argument. They lie so they can lie in the future. … Like a child doing something nice for mommy so he can tell her later that he broke her favorite vase.
A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR MEN. EVER. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Only a woman would try to minimize the truth about Hypergamy. Hypergamy is THE reason for the state of the justice system, relationships, etc. EVERYTHING a woman does will ultimately lead to hypergamy.
DruidV launches into a blistering attack on AVFM and its star FeMRA, the blabby Canadian videoblogger who calls herself Girl Writes What:
I used to really enjoy that place [AVFM] but now it’s just like the NFL locker room. Cunts everywhere, stinking up the joint, blathering on like they understand anything other than their own miserable hypergamy. I knew right where AVFM was heading, the very first time I saw an article either ghost written or not, by GWW and friends asking (paraphrased): “What’s in the MRM for women?”
As if this question in and of itself wasn’t egregiously disgusting enough, her nebulously not surprising answer seemed to be “My boyfriend, my boyfriend, my boyfriend!!!!” which was then promptly golf-clapped into acceptance by the usual suspects. Christ, this bitch can’t get thru 2 sentences without having to remind us all that some mangina is properly kissing her glorious, grrrrl powered ass. Also, she seems to really want to be “the tits of the Men’s movement”, or some other such xx inspired tripe like that. …
These pathetic xxs like Asshole McGee, GWW and other xx “friends”, who are only just now jumping on the MRM bandwagon out of sheer desperation at seeing feminazism’s exposure and collapse and since they can easily see what lies ahead for themselves personally, are only interested in saving their own asses and being on the winning team. You can bet your ass these xxs would dump the MRM in a fucking heartbeat for feminazism, or anything else, that might possibly be able to do anything about the perfectly understandable backlash against xxs today. Makes me fucking sick to my core, and I already have a gut full of femallian treachery. …
Fuck you very much, Bitchface McGee, “Dr” Elam and all the rest of you grovelling AVFM idiots, who are still too fucking clueless to ever admit to yourselves or anyone else; AWALT! Take your fucking balls out of GWW’s purse and give these cunts the boot, FFS. That, or watch your male membership numbers dwindle to next to nothing as all teh menz head on over here, where ours is not now, nor ever to be co-opted by cunts. …
P.S. Maybe we can all pitch in and send AVFM some pink doilies, soaps and throw rugs for their clubhouse toilet.
There are several more pages of comments that follow, but, honestly, nothing quite tops that one.
EDITED TO ADD: Intrepid Man Boobz commenter Myoo has drawn us this excellent picture of what a giraffe sticking its goofy head in a fish bar might look like. 
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He states in a later comment that he is not referring to violence (although it sure does sound like it so I am not really sure I buy it. It’s not the first time he’s spoken about going to war and destroying women.)
I once read a conversation in MRA Youtube comments about whether or not GWW was, in fact, a CIA agent sent to infiltrate the MRM. So I guess this shouldn’t really be surprising. At least they haven’t accused any of the feMRA’s of being reptilians, yet.
@Magnesium: “At least they haven’t accused any of the feMRA’s of being reptilians, yet”
Slavey will take care of that for you!
I wonder what femras think when they read this sort of thing? They probably blame women for driving these poor men to such states of misdirected fury. Women other than themselves, of course.
So I’d-never-be-violent DarrylX wants genocide of women, does he? That’s what I get from his rantings.
No, not a hate movement at all.
Schticky, protip: this isn’t how to write a love letter. I’m sure David wouldn’t want love letters from you anyway, but these long and boring missives really, really don’t cut it, even though your obsession with him shines through in every one.
Those kitty videos are perfect! Imagine the poor postie the first time Baron snatched the mail. OMIGODTHERE’SAMONSTERINTHEREITNEARLYATEMYFINGERS!
Wow, I just took a brief look at that thread.
I didn’t really understand that MGTOWers were even worse people than MRAs, but, uh, wow!
*the more you knoooow*
I just had the best image of GWW being a CIA agent who does this in her time off just to set them up … it’d be a great sting if she was, but I wish she’d hurry up and spring it!
This is such a beautiful mental image I just had to draw it:
Giraffe sticking its goofy giraffe head in a fish bar
A Canadian CIA agent, awesome.
Myoo, I love it!
The hell is cuntspeak? Don’t they mean…chatterbox?
Myoo, that’s excellent! I’m going to add it to the OP.
Myoo, that’s brilliant!
Go right ahead David 🙂
And thanks everyone, when I read that sentence the image just popped into my mind and I had to make it happen.
The whole ranting is so … gah, words fail. Even before we get to the giraffes-in-fish-bars (what the hell are fish bars? Sushi restaurants? Pubs that sell fish and chips?) nonsense, they’re just screaming because women exist. They have to actually see women in public. They’re not even complaining that they’re forced to talk to women (even though women ignoring them is their other whine) just that we’re there, in pubs and on trains and walking and going into shops and goodness knows what else.
Of course if they got their way and we were forced into burkas and off the street, they’d then whine because they had to do girly stuff like all the grocery shopping and errands and picking up kids from school, etc, etc.
Fucking morons, I wish they’d find their blasted island or get a compound somewhere and lock themselves inside it for good.
Forgot to say – Myoo, that giraffe is so cute, I’d even go to a pub if she was going to be there! 🙂
It looks like we need to update The Big Book of Larnin.
@Myoo
I may just consider using that as my avatar on things from now on.
If it doesn’t fit though I’ll probably just settle with using it as my desktop background.
Guys, guys, there’s no need to fight. Your’e BOTH terrible!
Aw, what the heck. It’s been a while.
The Book of Learnin’
Indispensable Facts About the Universe from NWO
Civil War Memorial Edition
Science
Evolution is impossible, because otherwise we’d be able to watch dogs evolve into super-dogs. Unless anyone can produce evidence of dogs with super-powers, evolution is a myth.
The theory of evolution claims that life came from rocks. It also states that evolution doesn’t occur anymore because rocks are no longer in make-life mode.
In the animal kingdom, females entice males with their spectacular plumage and mating displays. Female animals in heat wear miniskirts and high heels.
Female animals cannot feed themselves and rely on males to support them. Even in cases where this seems untrue, the males are still tougher. For example, female lions do all the hunting in the pride, but if they come across a really tough enemy, like a hyena, they run and get the male lion to fight for them.
Mathematics
Feminists claim that one in four women is raped in college. But since college lasts for four years, you have to multiply that by four. Therefore, feminists are really saying that 100% of women are raped in college, which is obviously untrue, not to mention proof that women are bad at math.
There are two kinds of numbers, quantative and qualative.
70% of 100 is 200.
Health and Medicine
Diseases, obesity, starvation, malnutrition and ADHD are all caused by the international food and drug standards passed in 2010.
Children are lined up and injected with a dangerous chemical called flouride to make them stupid.
Mammograms cause breast cancer. Doctors advise women to get mammograms at least once a week until they develop cancer from it.
Many hospitals are open only to women and children. They’re not maternity/pediatric hospitals, just regular hospitals that refuse to treat men for no reason.
Male suicide is caused by society trying to feminize men, which makes them so depressed they kill themselves. Before modern feminism, suicide was practically non-existent.
After an abortion, the fetus is chopped into pieces and thrown into the nearest river or lake to feed the fish.
If the FDA worked, we’d have cures for cancer, diabetes, and every disease and ailment. Since we don’t, it’s not doing anything useful and should be abolished.
All drugs and medication are unsafe except marijuana.
Male erections are incredibly painful.
Education
Reading is not taught in American public schools.
Public schools offer two kinds of math: traditional arithmetic and New Math. Children are allowed to choose which one to learn.
There are twice as many teachers and half as many students in U.S. schools as there were 20 years ago. These teachers spend class time walking around in their underwear to arouse elementary-school boys.
There are special schools for toddlers where they are taught about sodomy.
NASA has a program for girls that allows them to automatically become astronauts just by signing up.
How-to courses on homosexuality are taught in public schools. This is how people become gay.
In order to attend any college in the U.S., male students are required to watch a video about how men are evil and women are good. The student must then take a test about the video, and if he scores less than 100% he can’t go to college.
Colleges require male students to dress in women’s clothing and march around campus so the female students can harass them. If they don’t do this, they are punished.
History
Ancient Greece, Rome, Persia, and China under the Ming Dynasty were extremely progressive, feminist societies. That’s why they collapsed.
In societies where girls were sold into marriage to older men, it was just as common for boys to be sold into marriage to older women.
In ancient Greece, it was considered acceptable for women to molest little girls.
In ancient China, elite women castrated young boys, while giggling, to turn them into their playtoys. These women lived in harems but were actually in charge.
Before modern feminism, rape was a rare occurrence and almost unheard-of.
The Americas were discovered by Queen Isabella, who ordered every man in Europe to sail westward to get exotic jewels, perfumes and silks for her. It was a stroke of luck that Columbus found land before the male population of Europe perished in a watery grave.
The Declaration of Independence declared America’s independence from international bankers. It was repealed by Woodrow Wilson.
The only problem faced by female African-American slaves was that no one helped them into carriages. Therefore, a white man who has to stand on a bus has suffered worse than Sojourner Truth.
Lynchings in the American South consisted of women accusing men of rape because they were man-hating feminists. In cases where a man was lynched on an accusation from another man, the lynchings were justified.
The Russian Revolution was organized by the international Jewish banking conspiracy to destroy Russia.
Women sank the Lusitania as part of a feminist plot to get the U.S. involved in WWI so that men could die needlessly, because women just enjoy watching men die.
The Cambodian genocide: planned and executed entirely by women.
The CIA imported feminism from the Soviet Union by publishing Ms. magazine and Miss Mag and channeling funds to a woman named Gloria Steinen.
No woman has ever been enslaved or exploited.
Geography
The rivers of most major cities are lined with foul-smelling, dangerous factories. These factories are staffed entirely by overworked, underpaid male laborers, but they also have well-appointed human resources departments staffed by women in fancy clothes, fine jewelry and perfume. Since all the men work as laborers and all the women work as posh secretaries, researchers are still unsure who owns or runs these factories.
Linguistics
Spanish and Russian use the same alphabet. The Russians just have a funny kind of handwriting called cryillic script.
The word “dudebro” is hate speech.
Arts and Entertainment
The Iliad is the story of how Queen Helen of Troy ordered two armies to fight over her. It is based on a true story.
The classical Greek play The Bacchae is a celebration of the roving lesbian gang that murdered the musician Orpheus. It is based on a true story.
The musical Chicago is a polemic about how men should be shot to death. It was written by a female college student in 2010.
All prime-time TV shows are about a pretty girl being stalked and assaulted by an evil man. She is saved by an all-female investigative team, with a single man in charge. At the end of every episode, the victim sits in a one-way mirrored room, watching the chained-up man with a smug look on her face. Then one of the women from the investigative team squeezes her arm.
Shows on the Disney Channel consist of underage girls in sexy outfits hitting boys while the boys cower before them.
Someday NWO will create a video game in which shapeless grey blobs fight straight white Christian male terrorists by throwing marshmallows at them and turning into rainbow lions that spew butterflies from their mouths until the terrorists disappear in a mist of flowers and unicorns. It will be a massive hit.
Fashion
Most girls and women over the age of twelve wear see-through tops and micro-miniskirts on all occasions. Although their skirts are so short their genitals hang out, they do not wear underwear.
The only exceptions to this rule are shopping malls, where girls and women typically wear bikinis.
Women become sexually aroused by wearing clothes. This is the full extent of female sexuality.
Law
All U.S. law, from the Constitution down, has been supplanted by Title IX, a law requiring that all educational, government, and private institutions be 100% female. Title IX has its own police force, which is exactly like the Nazi SS. This takeover of the government was orchestrated by Russlynn Ali, Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights in the Department of Education, who now rules the country.
The Violence Against Women Act will create a slush fund which will be used to fund the training of all American men to defer to women by Pavlovian response.
The United States is a communist dictatorship ruled by an emperor. If it were a free country, people wouldn’t have to pay taxes or get licenses to drive.
Requiring people to take a vision test to get a driver’s license is an atrocity on the level of the Holocaust, Pol Pot’s genocide, and the famous Communist massacre of Christians.
Each law has its own police force and legal system. For example, if you urinate in public, the Urination Police will arrest you.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is classified as a hate group. It is a Communist organization, possibly the best-funded in the country, and its ultimate goal is to destroy Christianity and the family.
Women are classified as a hate group. Yes, all women.
However, the largest hate group in the U.S. is the government. The second largest is the media, for supporting the government.
Crime
False reporting of rape is the most serious and common crime in the U.S. The most common reasons for a woman to make up a rape accusation are cheating, revenge, excuse for missed homework, lateness, work absence, and getting out of paying cab fare.
The average man is falsely accused of rape and thrown into prison without trial on a daily basis. Available statistics say otherwise because the true numbers are kept under wraps by the CIA.
Gay people are fifteen times more likely than straight people to be violent criminals. All the worst serial killers in history were gay.
California has replaced its women’s prisons with spas to reward women for committing crimes.
If there is yelling in a house, the police are legally required to arrest any men inside.
Economics
Oprah and the founder of BET are both rich, therefore African-Americans are financially the most privileged group in the U.S.
Women are not required to pay rent.
There are no poor women. Whenever a woman needs anything, she sits in the middle of the street and cries, and passerby throw food and money at her for free.
Women control 80% of the world’s wealth, thanks to all the crying.
Marxism does not belong in this section, because it has nothing to do with economic theory. It’s actually a philosophy promoting diversity, feminism, and gay rights in order to destroy Western civilization.
Business and Employment
Hiring female employees doubles the cost of the goods a company produces.
Women go to plumbing school to get jobs as construction flaggers so they can wear hotpants and work on their tans. Also, plumbing schools for women are way more fun than plumbing schools for men.
Despite all the women attending plumbing schools, only men work in sanitation. Sewage is processed by men wallowing in it until it gets clean.
Men can’t be allowed to work at Hooters because that would turn it into Gay Hooters and no one would go.
It’s very rare for a man in the U.S. to be employed above a middle-management position. All high-paying jobs are held by women.
Charitable Giving
For every dollar women donate to charities to help men, men donate ten billion dollars to help women.
Women’s groups typically receive hundreds of billions of dollars a year in funding. One of the groups that receives the most money is the National Association of Women Lawyers.
Nonprofit organizations operate by photocopying fliers, posting them on walls around town, then sitting back and waiting for the money to roll in. Even though the average nonprofit doesn’t do anything else, it’s much too hard for a man to start one, because men are oppressed.
Men are not allowed into homeless shelters unless they swear allegiance to feminism.
Throughout history, billions of men have died for the sake of women, whereas no woman has ever died for the sake of a man. The best way to balance this injustice is for women to randomly punch each other in the nose.
Government
All nations are controlled by the U.N. and the Jews.
Except for Rupert Murdoch, all financial, government and media leaders worldwide are either black or Arab. There are no white men in top positions of power.
Vice-President Joe Biden, like nearly all U.S. leaders, is of Middle Eastern descent.
Without government, homosexuality would not exist.
Foreign Relations
Wars are typically started by women nagging their husbands to invade other countries to get pretty dresses.
Female protesters, no matter what the subject of the protest, are just there to goad men into killing each other. They are never injured or killed themselves.
Russia is the deathplace capital of the world for men because feminism was invented there (see Feminism). It is the most feminist country on earth.
All taxes in Scandinavian countries go toward women’s causes. Scandinavian grade schools have a holiday where girls are given cookies and ice cream, while boys are given stale matzo. Men in Scandinavian countries are imprisoned for farting.
Pet Ownership
Only women own cats. The main reason women own cats is so they can spend money on kitty litter that would otherwise go to men’s shelters.
Romance
Women hit men to test them as romantic partners. If a man hits back, it’s proof that he’s a worthy mate with strong genes, and the woman will immediately have sex with him.
Men enjoy being raped. Any man who says otherwise is lying.
When gay men have sex, they usually do it in front of a straight woman to provide her with free entertainment. Straight women are working to turn more men gay so they can enjoy plenty of gay sex shows.
Women are not physically attracted to men. This is why men don’t Bejazzle their testicles.
Marriage and Family
99% of feminist marriages end in divorce.
The vast majority of violent rapists come from female-led households, because the feminist indoctrination boys receive in such households makes them so angry they have to go out and rape people to let off steam.
Fatherhood is illegal in Britain and there are plans to outlaw it in the U.S.
The most common reason women give for divorce is boredom.
Gender and Sexuality
Transgender people who have transitioned describe themselves as “transed.” Transed people frequently and repeatedly change not just their gender, but their species. Dogs can also be transed, making them suitable partners for transed people.
Youth Culture
Teenage girls participate in hazing rituals wherein they go to the mall in sexy outfits, usually bikinis (see Fashion). If a man looks at them for more than six seconds, they pounce on him en masse and strip him naked.
At the age of five, children are tossed out of the house by their parents. At that point they are able to support themselves and require no further care.
At the age of five, most children are still in diapers.
Religion
Judaism is the most aggressively evangelical religion on earth. Less than 5% of Jews are ethnically Jewish, while the rest are recruited from the tireless Jewish recruitment efforts.
In the story of Jesus saving the adulteress from stoning, the moral is that sinners deserve to be stoned.
Pedophilia
All child molesters are either women or gay men, and they only target boys. Girls are never molested.
Prepubescent girls desperately want to have sex with middle-aged men. They advertise this desire by wearing swimsuits to the beach.
Feminism
Feminism is a highly organized international movement created in the Soviet Union and currently funded by the United Nations.
Feminism is the cause of all black suffering.
Phyllis Schlafly has worked tirelessly throughout her life to promote feminist causes.
Predictions of the Future
By the end of 2012, federal law will require that 50% of all CEOs be women. Male CEOs will be fired en masse, and random unqualified women will be hired to fill their seats.
Someday a straight white man will beat up a lesbian for molesting a five-year-old. Everyone in the world will sympathize with the lesbian and immediately legalize child molestation.
The U.S. will soon embrace the pedophilia of the ancient Greeks as the New Truth.
Grade schools will soon require children to pledge allegiance to the idea that women are morally superior to men. This future event has punctured the space-time continuum and is causing girls and women to feel superior right now.
I wasn’t feeling so great just now, but the sheer absurdity of the fish bar (and the adorable kitty videos) have managed to get me to crack a smile.
<blockquote<When I encounter one, my palms itch, my skin crawls and my gums bleed spontaneously.
DarrylX, I’m pretty sure what you need is a dermatologist and a dentist for these problems.
NWO, you aren’t even trying anymore. It’s so sad to see a former great fall so hard.
TTF: the FeMRAs don’t think the MRAs are including them in their hate speech–they’re too special.
Fuckin’ blockquotes.
aaaand the book of learnin’ sent me over the edge into laughter
you guuuuys 🙂