Uh oh! Do I sense a manosphere civil war coming on? Over on MGTOWforums, some of the regulars are spitting mad at A Voice for Men. In a thread with the lovely title “So it begins: AVfM diluted by cuntspeak,” the MGTOWer calling himself fairi5fair takes aim at a recent post by – get this! – a woman on AVFM.
Not only that, but a woman who suggests that maybe MRAs spend too much time talking about female “hypergamy.” For the uninitiated, that’s a word that means “the practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste,” but that in the overheated imaginations of angry manosphere dudes has come to mean “all women are filthy lying golddigging whores who will ruthlessly exploit poor beta males and betray them by sleeping with any alpha male who wanders by, also by the way I hate women.”
Never mind that the woman in question writing on AVFM – Aimee McGee – is a thoroughly reactionary FeMRA sort who does indeed think that the manosphere version of hypergamy really is a thing, and who simply questions the strategic utility of bringing it up all the time. Evidently the MGTOWforums can’t stand even that teensy bit of criticism from someone with a vagina.
And so they let loose, at Ms. McGee and at AVFM for allowing her a platform. Linking to her AVFM piece, fairi5fair declares that it’s
a prime example of what happens when you let some women stick their fingers in your men’s rights pie. …
Fuck you, Aimee Mcgee. No, the MRM should absolutely educate young men about how hypergamy works and has worked for thousands of years so that they can protect themselves from exploitation….
So, Aimee McGee, you can go pound sand. The last thing we need is some dumb cunt backseat driving the MRM right into the mealy-mouthed gutter.
Others join in the attack. Bob is aghast that anyone would criticize his sacred right to badmouth women for being ruthless exploiters of hapless men.
The knowledge of hypergamy and it’s many implications is one of the most essential ingredients of the Red Pill. …
Without understanding hypergamy, you don’t understand why every fucking thing that 99.999% (conservatively) of women say and do is a lie.
To fail to teach a young man the dangers of hypergamy – and to condemn the women who fail to control their own hypergamy, as traditions used to do – is prepare young boys for butchery.
He follows these remarks with a quotation from Ayn Rand, evidently not seeing the GIGANTIC IRONY of doing that.
The Great One accuses Ms. McGee herself of hypergamy:
Yep, I skimmed the B.S. and it is just yet another female that is with a man being put through the court system by an ex. It amazing how quickly they change their tune when all the cash that their man could be spending on them suddenly disappears due to alimony and child support going to an ex. …
They can go from radical feminist to supporter of men’s rights at the drop of a hat when it suddenly suits their needs. These females will also go right the hell back to feminist when they think that feminism is going to get them what they want. …
Yet another thanks to the mods for keeping the estrogen away from this place. They just gotta stick their goofy giraffe heads in every fish bar.
No
, I have no idea what that last sentence means either. [See below for an illustration of what this might look like.]
Speaking of complete incoherence, I Live for me not “WE” pops into the discussion to offer an angry little rant that contains this bit of wisdom:
Nature makes them grab a cotton plug every month but not all of them are deranged psychos when they do. Some are just bloated and irritable.. Some suddenly cry..Some are incredibly horny and I always found that disgusting but its NATURE.
Shade47 makes clear that he prefers his Men’s Rights movement women-free:
AVfM is an extreme disappointment.
They failed to observe history and let a woman enter their group. Now they are going to become history. Another statistic created by some miscellaneous attention whore. Chumps …
I will never support a MRA group that allows women to have a voice.
BusterMcFriendly suggests that FeMRAs are only in it for MRA badboy cock. No, seriously:
[T]he MRM are nothing but counter-cultural badboys. Don’t be fooled. Women in the MRM are just trying to hook an MRM superstar. I bet John the Other has marriage proposals on a weekly basis. Good God! Women are so stupid.
Obmon is outraged that any woman would dare try to speak for men:
The point of MGTOW is that they recognize the fact that ALL women LIE. They lie to get what they want. They lie to invade spaces meant for men. They lie to convince us that they are NAWALT. They lie to show us that they agree just so they can take over the argument. They lie so they can lie in the future. … Like a child doing something nice for mommy so he can tell her later that he broke her favorite vase.
A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR MEN. EVER. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Only a woman would try to minimize the truth about Hypergamy. Hypergamy is THE reason for the state of the justice system, relationships, etc. EVERYTHING a woman does will ultimately lead to hypergamy.
DruidV launches into a blistering attack on AVFM and its star FeMRA, the blabby Canadian videoblogger who calls herself Girl Writes What:
I used to really enjoy that place [AVFM] but now it’s just like the NFL locker room. Cunts everywhere, stinking up the joint, blathering on like they understand anything other than their own miserable hypergamy. I knew right where AVFM was heading, the very first time I saw an article either ghost written or not, by GWW and friends asking (paraphrased): “What’s in the MRM for women?”
As if this question in and of itself wasn’t egregiously disgusting enough, her nebulously not surprising answer seemed to be “My boyfriend, my boyfriend, my boyfriend!!!!” which was then promptly golf-clapped into acceptance by the usual suspects. Christ, this bitch can’t get thru 2 sentences without having to remind us all that some mangina is properly kissing her glorious, grrrrl powered ass. Also, she seems to really want to be “the tits of the Men’s movement”, or some other such xx inspired tripe like that. …
These pathetic xxs like Asshole McGee, GWW and other xx “friends”, who are only just now jumping on the MRM bandwagon out of sheer desperation at seeing feminazism’s exposure and collapse and since they can easily see what lies ahead for themselves personally, are only interested in saving their own asses and being on the winning team. You can bet your ass these xxs would dump the MRM in a fucking heartbeat for feminazism, or anything else, that might possibly be able to do anything about the perfectly understandable backlash against xxs today. Makes me fucking sick to my core, and I already have a gut full of femallian treachery. …
Fuck you very much, Bitchface McGee, “Dr” Elam and all the rest of you grovelling AVFM idiots, who are still too fucking clueless to ever admit to yourselves or anyone else; AWALT! Take your fucking balls out of GWW’s purse and give these cunts the boot, FFS. That, or watch your male membership numbers dwindle to next to nothing as all teh menz head on over here, where ours is not now, nor ever to be co-opted by cunts. …
P.S. Maybe we can all pitch in and send AVFM some pink doilies, soaps and throw rugs for their clubhouse toilet.
There are several more pages of comments that follow, but, honestly, nothing quite tops that one.
EDITED TO ADD: Intrepid Man Boobz commenter Myoo has drawn us this excellent picture of what a giraffe sticking its goofy head in a fish bar might look like. 
Nope. Not a hate movement at all, no sir.
Brilliant surrealist poetry! [cloudiah puts on black beret and starts snapping fingers]
What did Marilyn Monroe say in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes?
“Don’t you know that a man being rich is like a girl being pretty? You wouldn’t marry a girl for being pretty, but doesn’t it help?”
I have never laughed at a manboobz piece more than this. A woman on the ship is bad luck! “MRM superstar”?? O my brd
Misters, you are too much, never change
Very scientific source you have there, Rubes.
Oh David.
Can you show this “civil war” is any different from how the SlymePit refers to Atheism+ or how the SlymePit refers to you?
Can you explain how MGTOW and AVfM and PUA etc. are often at odds with each other?
In your civil war, have you noticed this civil war is mostly one sided at the moment and you present one site picking on another site and the other site at this moment largely ignorant of the “attack”
Have you googled to see how rad fems and contemporary feminists fight every day? How FtB often have fight with transphobic rad fems?
Google Flewellyn and Amanda Marcotte to see one feminist dude, much like you, and his five year evolution from Marcotte fan to Marcotte hater?
Or just google Marcotte and see how much the POC in the Feministosphere hate on her. Along with many famous sex worker feminists.
Have you noted this is the Internet David?
Sticky, have you noticed that MRAs meltdowns are fucking hilarious and this is a blog for mocking misogyny? (pssssst: it’s in the header!)
Anyone read the comment by Darryl X?
“What we’re dealing with is not human. These things, these monsters, I’ve studied them inside and out for decades.
They must be disposed of without mercy and with extreme prejudice. One is enough to take down a nation if not the world.
In this day and age, willful ignorance is no excuse. Today there is a line. And anyone is on either one side or the other. That line didn’t used to exist but it does now. Make sure you know where it is.
The fitch bases and the Mary Kelletts and the Lori Jacksons and all the others are here for one reason: destroy men and children and civilization.
I am here for one purpose: stop them. It’s them or us. When I encounter one, my palms itch, my skin crawls and my gums bleed spontaneously.
Then I proceed to completely anihilate it. Sometimes the process takes more than a decade. (Evil is very resilient and persistent.)
I used to think like you decades ago but got over it quickly. Do what you want. There’s nothing hateful about destroying that which threatens the survival of yourself and others upon whom you depend.
This is a war. These things want more than anyone else and they don’t care how they get it, who they destroy. They are addicted to power and control and they will do anything to satisfy that addiction.
There are alternatives which affords everyone what they need and a considerable amount of what they want at no one’s extra expense.
These things don’t just want more than everyone else but they want to deny men and children what they need.
I admire your pluck but you are naive to think that you can educate or negotiate or compromise with these things. You can either destroy them or they will destroy you and everything else.
These things cannot be eqated to children. Children grow up. They learn. They aren’t particularly dangerous. But these are creatures with minds arrested at three years of age and with the weapons of adults.
I do not pity them. I and others do not have that luxury. They want you to pity them. They manipulate with the public spectacle of their chronic victimhood. Be grateful you still have the luxury of pity.
I often think that in order for someone to be a member of the MRM, he should be impoverished enough and unable to afford the luxury of sympathy for the devil.”
I swear I get the feeling this guy is going to do something awful one day if his mental health issues don’t get checked. This guy isn’t just bitter, there is something seriously wrong with him.
Oh forgot to add, it’s on the AVFM article itself.
@Ice
BUT SLASH FICS ARE A GIRRRRRRLTHIIIIIIIIING, WE CAN’T HAVE GIRLTHINGS IN OUR MANLY MANTOPIA OF MANNISHNESS!!!
Shorter Board: Oh, David, I see you wrote about this thing but not these ten other things, David. INTERNET!
@misanthropicmuse
Great, apparently I’ve come all the way from the Dungeon Dimensions and I didn’t even get to meet the Luggage.
@aworld
And this is where I quote Pervocracy:
The more they scream, the more I want to slash them out of pure funi.
Chicks are funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4
Dear Boring Stick,
I’m pretty sure David knows how to use the google, but thanks for another irrelevant comment pointing out that there are other things on the internet. We’re all illuminated, I’m sure.
Because sticky started his post with “Oh David,” I read the entire post in a flambuoyant queeny voice. It made it much more tolerable.
Has anybody noticed that Sticky is really, really, into saying David’s name a lot? It’s generally in his comments at least three times. David David David. Journalism. Internet. Derailing. David.
misanthropicmuse:
D… did he imply that he has actually destroyed women in that post? Because it sounded awfully like it.
@blitzgal
“When exactly was hypergamy condemned? When men used to sell their daughters into marriage to cement social and business ties with other men? Was it then?”
Don’t you mean when men and women sold their sons and daughters into marriage to cement social and business ties with other men and women?
Default position #1) wives took no part therefore women are innocent victims.
Default position #2) wives didn’t also sell off their sons, women are victims.
Default position #3) Sons were lucky to marry an angel. Daughters were cursed to marry a devil. Women are victims.
It’s not that women were in anyway oppressed throughout history, it’s just that modern women are determined to foster hatred of men throughout history. How many billions of men do you think have died working thankless jobs for the love they had for their wives and children? In the modern world, women like you call that oppression. For all you know 3/4s of the fathers of your own ancestors might’ve died in some horrible fashion in love and support of their wives and children. Aren’t you a peach. The casual hatred of men is so normal to most modern women they’re blind to it. You’re obviously blind to your hatred.
Darryl X, wasn’t he the one who came and told us all that he would never, ever, ever be violent? …
I’ll second that D: inurashii.
Inusashii, haha, yeah.
Blitzgal, thanks for the kitten physicists. Have a cat mail carrier.
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I would love to see one of the newspapers Schticky gets his ideas about journalism from.
“Three people were killed in Afghanistan today, but it is important to remember that Afghanistan is only one of the world’s conflict zones, there are many others, such as Sudan, Syria, Colombia and others and anyway not everyone who dies is killed in a war, there’s also diseases like malaria, influenza or cholera but not all diseases are infectious, there’s also things like beriberi or scurvy which contra popular belief does not necessarily require citrus juice such as lemon or lime to cure, any source of vitamin C will do, but there are other vitamins, such as A, B1, B2…”
Every paper is as thick as five textbooks and has to come fitted with trolley wheels.
@Ice
I don’t personally enjoy slash-fic for its erotic merit, but it would be oh so hilarious to see a JohntheOther/Paul Elam fic, and then watch them squirm at the sight.
I visualize the battle of the manosphere like this:
Aworldanonymous, it would have to be written sentence by sentence by hundreds of people to prevent any of the writers from expiring of sheer horror. Like this: