Men’s Rights Activists have a new hero: a Cleveland bus driver who punched and choked a belligerent female passenger who had apparently refused to pay her fare.
The top post in the Men’s Rights subreddit at the moment, with more than 500 upvotes, links to a petition urging the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority to reinstate the bus driver, Artis Hughes, who was suspended after video of the incident leaked out. (See videos here and here.) According to the petition,
As a bus driver, mr. Hughes was lied to, insulted, threatened and eventually attacked by one of the passagers. He was clearly justified in striking back. Were he to suffer any negative consequences to his employment as a result of defending himself and striking back, this would set a disasterous precedent: he and other employees would legitimately believe that their workplace expects them to put up with harrassment, and that they will lose their jobs if they choose to stand up for themselves. …
As well as being a bus driver, mr. Hughes is a man, and [Shidea N. Lane, the passenger] is a woman. We continue to live in a world in which some people see fit to scold men for fighting back against the women who abuse them. After mr. Hughes struck ms. Lane, a woman could be heard protesting about it, saying “That’s a [censored] female”. Mr. Hughes responded by saying: “I don’t care. You want to be man? I’m going to treat you like a man!” This is a healthy attitude: if men refuse to strike back, fearing that the law will favour their female abusers over them, we create an environment in which women can harrass and victimize men with impunity. Instead, a man’s decision to fight back against a woman should be respected.
It is for these reasons – the fact that the bus driver was the real victim and was justified in hitting back; that he and other bus drivers should not fear the legal consequences of responding to attacks by passagers; and that men in general should not fear the legal consequences of responding to attacks by women – that we urge you to reinstate mr. Artis Hughes following the investigation on the incident, and hope that future policies will safeguard him and other bus drivers from legal assault whenever they respond to a passager’s physical assault.
There are a lot of things wrong with this statement, up to and including the spelling. But perhaps most germane to the discussion at hand is the fact that the various videos of the event circulating on YouTube make very clear that Hughes was not acting in self-defense.
Yes, it’s clear from the videos and the police report on the incident that the passenger was acting obnoxiously. And according to witnesses she struck first, spitting on Hughes, pushing him and apparently punching him in the head. (All I saw in the video was her pushing him.) That would be more than enough to charge her with assault, though Hughes declined to press charges.
But after she allegedly assaulted him, she backed off. When Hughes punched and then choked her, he was not defending himself; he was retaliating, and with disproportionate force – his punch literally knocked her to the floor.
In this case, Hughes’ victim was a woman. But what he did would have been equally wrong had he punched a man with similar force.
This isn’t the first time, by a long shot, that MRAs have defended the idea of responding to violence from women with disproportionate force. A year ago, you may recall, Men’s Rights Redditors and other MRAs jumped to the defense of Rayon McIntosh, the McDonalds employee who responded to an assault by two customers by beating them with a metal rod – and continuing to beat them after he knocked them to the floor. (See video of the incident here; TW for extreme violence.)
And as longtime readers here know, in one now-infamous post Paul Elam of A Voice for Men suggested that it would be proper for men abused by their female partners to
beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess.
In the wake of the bus incident, a number of commenters in the Men’s Rights subreddit reacted to Hughes’ assault on the young woman with something close to glee. (Click on any of the yellow comments to see them in context; they’re all from different parts of the thread .)
True, some suggested that the response was disproportionate, but they tended to get a much less enthusiastic response from the regulars than those reveling in the punch:
And MRAs wonder why some people describe their movement, such as it is, as “the abusers lobby.”
I suppose this is something that does count as activism. What a shocker, that its on behalf of a violent man instead of men who are victims of domestic violence….
@ pecunium- I’m going to pretend he was just a scared kid doing what I might have done if I were frightened for my life. I might be dead wrong, but please let me have this one. A teenaged girls was slut-shamed to suicide and people are applauding sending a 130 pound women flying into the air via uppercut from a 200 pound bus driver (guessing at their respective weights, don’t quote me). I just want someone not to be an asshole today.
Sorry, ttf. We can’t let you have McDonald’s dude. He was at least as much of an asshole as the bus driver, and he got away with it.
I’m going to say that the abuse she was hurling at the driver was wrong. That he could have stopped the bus and ejected her. That he has a radio, so he could have called for the busses security to come, or for cops to charge her and take her away. At one point you hear the bus driver threatening to “slice up your face”. Wrong. Uppercut to someone now verbally harrassing you, but not physically harming you is wrong.
I’ve seen some of the bullshit bus drivers go through, and lord I don’t wish that on anyone. But there is a right way and a wrong way to handle the situation. Had he disengaged and waited for police, she would have been charged with assault and found guilty.
He just had to show her “what a man is”. That’s really what it came down to, his perception of his manhood being degraded by not punching her out.
The one and only reason that I can understand why the McDonalds guy went to get a weapon is because they were still going after him when he went to the back of the restaurant. Now, he could have found a multitude of other ways to deal with the situation, but I can understand the thought process he may have gone through. Having people coming after you, threatening you, is pretty freaking scary.
What he did when he had the pipe is where I lose all respect for the guy. You don’t hit people who are trying to run away and you don’t hit people when they’re on the ground injured.
Agreed, David. Retaliation is wrong no matter the gender. The police should have been called.
Sigh, fine, next you’ll tell me santa is dead and all the kittens hate me. Anyway, googled it a bit- the dude was on parole after serving ten years for manslaughter of his 17 year old classmate. Ok, probably not scared, probably some serious rage issues going on there. But the thing that really gets to me about the bus driver is the ‘she wants to act like a man I’m going to treat her like a man’ comment. I’m not sure if there was that kind of (ir)rationalization with the mcdonald’s dude- he just kind of seemed to snap. Which is in no way an excuse, and you have to take responsibility for that. I’m just saying the bus driver wasn’t acting out of impulse- he thought it over, walked over slowly, took aim and hit. And that is far worse. Besides, it’s not so much these individual assaults that’s the really scary part- sad yes, awful yes, scary like there will be an epidemic of bus driver and cashier assaults, no- it’s the glee the mrm seems to take in defending these dudes. Like they were just waiting for some brave soul to start punching women on camera to normalize it for them.
TTF, it’s so true. They don’t want to do anything to help male victims of violence, they just want more women to be punched.
These are the d00dz who justify smacking a four year old for licking your hand, remember?
Here are the women on the view: http://theview.abc.go.com/video/hot-topics-bus-driver-suspended-video
The two African American women and I guess the token conservative are very supportive of the driver.
Barbara Walters thinks he should have pushed her off the bus and be done with it.
Joy Behar thinks the Bus Driver should have gone Gandhi and just suffered with a non-violent protest.
And your point is?
Well, everyone knows feminists get our marching orders from The View, so if 3 out of 5 View hosts think the bus driver was within his rights I guess I’ll have to go along with that.
/sarcasm
You know. “the two African American women” have names. It’s interesting that you’re not using those names, when you did name Walters and Behar.
CassandraSays,
Why would he use names? All Black women are interchangeable after all.
/bitter, bitter sarcasm
Re: cops and bloggers
I thought he was saying that cops and bloggers (like, say, the owner of THIS VERY BLOG) do deserve the kind of abuse seen in the video.
Which is terrible, naturally.
Yeah, I thought it read like a slip for “I want to see David abused or attacked.” Or maybe just feminist or not-MRA bloggers in general. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
LOL at Some Dude thinking The View is relevant at all.
Check your privilege CassandraSays,
In this incident, the two African American women might have views that are more insightful and informed than the other three white women.
And Nepenthe, seriously, take your subtle cry of racism and jam it deep.
“Re: cops and bloggers
I thought he was saying that cops and bloggers (like, say, the owner of THIS VERY BLOG) do deserve the kind of abuse seen in the video.
Which is terrible, naturally.”
Nah, I accidentally a word and then late at night typed. I was trying to say that the bus driver, unlike the cop or the blogger may not have the experience and training you demand of him to overcome the natural human anger and desire to beat the other person up. The cop should know how to handle himself. Us bloggers all know how others should act. But the bus driver on the scene, regardless of his annual training class on how to deal with these incidents, he may not be as enlightened as you or I. Even the cops don’t take this very professionally.
That’s why the petition is there, that’s why /r/MR voting it up means nothing, because most of the world sympathizes with this guy and until the police press charges against him, there is no reason for him to lose his job over it.
“In this incident, the two African American women might have views that are more insightful and informed than the other three white women.”
Godallmighty, schtickless, are you that stupid? It was being pointed out that YOU didn’t bother to name two African American women although you DID name two white women. You’re the one being called on racism and privilege BY cassandrasays. Obtuse doesn’t begin to describe your constant comprehension fails.
I really really doubt it was just the late night.
If you weren’t steeped in privilege you would have remembered, and used, the names of both the women you were referring to. But nope, in your version of reality they’re just Generic Black Women, while both Behar and Walters are be individuals with names, identities, etc. This is not a privilege and racism fail that you can dodge via deflection.
The more you explain yourself, the stupider you sound.
I worked for a guy who was fired for embezzlement. While he was sued for return of the money, the company never pressed criminal charges.
So. Guy fired because of an action for which he could have been charged. Charges not laid.
Were they wrong to fire him?
Ugh, did I seriously just write “are be”? Schticky’s inability to write must be catching.
I’m still trying to come up with a list of jobs in which you can punch and choke either a customer or a member of the public, while working, and not have it be more or less expected that you may lose your job as a result of doing that. So far I have “cop”, “bouncer”, and “other security-type person”. “Bus driver” does not belong on that list.
MRAs are like that old joke about “How did you get this job?”
“I took a written test with a bunch of other guys.”
“How did you do?”
“I failed.”