Men’s Rights Activists have a new hero: a Cleveland bus driver who punched and choked a belligerent female passenger who had apparently refused to pay her fare.
The top post in the Men’s Rights subreddit at the moment, with more than 500 upvotes, links to a petition urging the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority to reinstate the bus driver, Artis Hughes, who was suspended after video of the incident leaked out. (See videos here and here.) According to the petition,
As a bus driver, mr. Hughes was lied to, insulted, threatened and eventually attacked by one of the passagers. He was clearly justified in striking back. Were he to suffer any negative consequences to his employment as a result of defending himself and striking back, this would set a disasterous precedent: he and other employees would legitimately believe that their workplace expects them to put up with harrassment, and that they will lose their jobs if they choose to stand up for themselves. …
As well as being a bus driver, mr. Hughes is a man, and [Shidea N. Lane, the passenger] is a woman. We continue to live in a world in which some people see fit to scold men for fighting back against the women who abuse them. After mr. Hughes struck ms. Lane, a woman could be heard protesting about it, saying “That’s a [censored] female”. Mr. Hughes responded by saying: “I don’t care. You want to be man? I’m going to treat you like a man!” This is a healthy attitude: if men refuse to strike back, fearing that the law will favour their female abusers over them, we create an environment in which women can harrass and victimize men with impunity. Instead, a man’s decision to fight back against a woman should be respected.
It is for these reasons – the fact that the bus driver was the real victim and was justified in hitting back; that he and other bus drivers should not fear the legal consequences of responding to attacks by passagers; and that men in general should not fear the legal consequences of responding to attacks by women – that we urge you to reinstate mr. Artis Hughes following the investigation on the incident, and hope that future policies will safeguard him and other bus drivers from legal assault whenever they respond to a passager’s physical assault.
There are a lot of things wrong with this statement, up to and including the spelling. But perhaps most germane to the discussion at hand is the fact that the various videos of the event circulating on YouTube make very clear that Hughes was not acting in self-defense.
Yes, it’s clear from the videos and the police report on the incident that the passenger was acting obnoxiously. And according to witnesses she struck first, spitting on Hughes, pushing him and apparently punching him in the head. (All I saw in the video was her pushing him.) That would be more than enough to charge her with assault, though Hughes declined to press charges.
But after she allegedly assaulted him, she backed off. When Hughes punched and then choked her, he was not defending himself; he was retaliating, and with disproportionate force – his punch literally knocked her to the floor.
In this case, Hughes’ victim was a woman. But what he did would have been equally wrong had he punched a man with similar force.
This isn’t the first time, by a long shot, that MRAs have defended the idea of responding to violence from women with disproportionate force. A year ago, you may recall, Men’s Rights Redditors and other MRAs jumped to the defense of Rayon McIntosh, the McDonalds employee who responded to an assault by two customers by beating them with a metal rod – and continuing to beat them after he knocked them to the floor. (See video of the incident here; TW for extreme violence.)
And as longtime readers here know, in one now-infamous post Paul Elam of A Voice for Men suggested that it would be proper for men abused by their female partners to
beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess.
In the wake of the bus incident, a number of commenters in the Men’s Rights subreddit reacted to Hughes’ assault on the young woman with something close to glee. (Click on any of the yellow comments to see them in context; they’re all from different parts of the thread .)
True, some suggested that the response was disproportionate, but they tended to get a much less enthusiastic response from the regulars than those reveling in the punch:
And MRAs wonder why some people describe their movement, such as it is, as “the abusers lobby.”
I’m off to bed, I leave you with kittens with mustaches, to alleviate some of the crap that’s happened recently.
“…and hope that future policies will safeguard him and other bus drivers from legal assault whenever they respond to a passager’s physical assault.”
Legal assault? The petitioner must have overlooked that ambiguous statement. I can read it as either meaning “justified assault” or “lawsuit-based assault,” and that doesn’t help the petition in the least.
Gads, I don’t want to even imagine what life as a MRA would be like.
@ The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help: Exactly. And if the sexes were reversed with a female bus driver and a male passenger, they’d be up in arms and calling for her execution. They like to see women get beat up, regardless of context.
I need to figure out how to post videos here, because brain bleach.
In more important news than whatever Bored is spouting, I have a kitten on my chest.
And bus drivers are supposed to call the cops not deck people.
Yeah, I don’t get why this is a men vs. women thing. Passenger was acting like an asshole, bus driver over reacted, both are wrong.
Nova, just drop the youtube link in. It should have the http:// in it and not have extra stuff strung on the end, so that it looks like http:// plus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVYyWAxZgg8
(crosses fingers that this works!)
If you are a bus driver and a passenger is verbally insulting you, you’re justified in insulting them right back. Choking them? No.
As others have said, this isn’t a gender issue at all. That’s a red herring, only relevant to misogynists who like seeing women get beaten up. If this bus driver had got up and choked a male passenger he’d still deserve a suspension. There are very few jobs in which you don’t get in trouble for physically attacking customers.
@ Nova
If the video you want to post is from YouTube, just cut and paste the URL.
I know reading Schticky’s nonsense is a waste of time. I know this is just a little piece of ‘huh?’ floating in an entire sea of WTF…
But…huh?
Yeah, I noticed that too. Apparently bloggers are now official first responders. Does this mean we all get one of those little flashing lights to put on top of our cars?
CassandraSays, you do! You can have a red one or a blue one, your choice, but you can’t have one that flashes both red and blue, and you have to use it on your dashboard. You do get a magnet to put on the back of your car when you’re on the job, though. Be sure to requisition your light and sigh on the blogger intranet.
light and sigh, ahahaha, I’m going to go pour myself a glass of wine now
YOu know, the guy behind the counter at macdonalds I almost get- if someone came, over the counter at me I would be absofuckinglutely terrified and maybe my reaction would be to keep swinging in pants-shitting fear that they’d get up and try and kill me again. But the uppercut dude? That dude just wanted to hurt people.
Okay… let’s hope this works… because it’s ferrets!
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dquzvmzARgg
I haz a serious case of kitten envy now.
That cat’s polydactyl! =O
@ timetravellingfool
I kind of get the McDonalds guy too. Kinda.
The bus driver wanted to teach the passenger a lesson, which is why he did what he did. The shit he was talking made it pretty clear that he was a willing participant in the situation.
She moved to my leg. And is purry.
I am house-sitting with three cats. One of them used to be feral and her meows sound like tiny squeak toys. The other is a total jerk (but insanely cute). The third is the normalest cat in the known universe, but seems just a titch confused all the time- all of her meows sound like they have question marks on the end. And since their owners left their routines are all messed up and it has been total chaos- food is being stolen from dishes, cats are chasing cats into basements and one of them pooped on my towel (I totally blamed the jerk cat because I wouldn’t let her beat up squeaky and she got mad at me). Fin.
Princessbonbon – you’re just doin’ that to torment me! 😀 Dang, I wish I could get a kitten or three. Just not possible, alas. And my two grownup *cough* cats would be mightily pissed if I did. But ohhhh, kittens … sigh.
Timetravellingfool – your question-cat sounds like she might have the dreaded rising inflection thing so many humans do. Or at least, they do here in Australia. Every statement sounds like a question … the cat isn’t an Aussie, is she? 😉
Now, I wonder if this video will embed … I don’t know how to do them from Photobucket.
Well, poop, that answers that question!
I have one kitten drooling on my knee right now, and one drooling on my shoulder. Sure, my cats drool but that’s their only flaw. Except for destroying my leather armchair, and my curtains, and my carpet, and a lamp, and … I’m going to stop now and just note for the record that they’re cute.
@ kitteh’s unpaid help- Either that or she’s a Valley Girl. I just wish she’d meow with a little more confidence. If you say meow, say it like you mean it!
Oh, but grownup cats are awesome too!
Nilla does the question thing, too. We have no carpets, so meows echo. He likes to meow loudly in the hall just as the sun is coming up. It sounds like “Where? Where?” When I say “hush” to him a few times he’ll do one of two things – open the bathroom door, go into the shower stall, and meow very quietly into the tile corner, or jump up on the bed and sit on my head.
Nilla, recently: http://i.imgur.com/OGf6l.jpg
His brother Nutmeg hardly ever meows, and when he does, it’s squeaky and funny.
Nutmeg, recently: http://i.imgur.com/KjXFz.jpg
Y’all are making me miss my cat so much! See avatar. I’d made a cartoon kitty like y’alls, but Unpaid Help’s looked so much like mine, that I switched to a picture of my real buddy, because you can’t really capture his intensity in toon form. I just visited him on Thursday (my cousin’s been keeping him since I’ve been ill) and I miss him SO MUCH. I know he misses me too, he let me pick him up and hold him for more than five minutes! (A rarity with that one.)