There’s drama on Reddit again, with a veritable army of Redditors rising up in righteous indignation to fight off those evil man-haters who’ve challenged their ineffable right to free speech to post creepy and intrusive and possibly illegal pictures of women and girls.
I don’t have the energy to catalogue the whole murky mess so let me just point out a few of the key events here, all of which have inspired multiple mega-threads full of sound and fury and lots of misinformation.
1) Reddit user Violentacrez, the founder of r/jailbait and r/picsofdeadkids and countless other skeezy subreddits, deleted his account after learning that Adrian Chen of Gawker was working on a story about him that might include his real name.
On Reddit, where bullshit travels at the speed of light, Redditors convinced themselves that Violentacrez, who took pride in being Reddit’s “creepy uncle,” was being “blackmailed” by either Chen or ShitRedditSays, conceptualized by most Redditors as some sort of collective supervillain not unlike Star Trek’s Borg. (On the Men’s Rights subreddit, moderator Ignatiusloyola, a major purveyor of misinformation on the current controversies, even suggested that I might somehow be mixed up in all of this, which is of course not the case. ) Violentacrez has come forth to say that Chen was not in fact blackmailing him in any way.
Naturally, Redditors have risen up to defend the honor of Mr. Acrez, who despite because of his incredible skeeziness was a beloved figure amongst the Reddit masses. Indeed, the moderators of a number of popular subreddits – including r/politics and, of course, r/mensrights – have banded together to ban Gawker and Jezebel and all related sites from their alleged free-speech zones.
A few links if you want to explore this further:
Redditors Stand Up to Gawker to Protect Child Pornography (AtlanticWire)
[Mod Post] A tribute to Violentacrez, who was doxxed and was being threatened in real life, and an important message to ALL subscribers (please upvote this self post) (NSFW subreddit thread; unreliable information within)
2) The CreepShots subreddit, devoted to surreptitiously taken pictures of attractive young women (and possibly a few men), has vanished, apparently either banned by Reddit’s admins or taken down by the subreddit’s moderator after someone threatened to expose his name.
But this was not the only attempt to creep-shame the creepshotters: A tumblr blog called Predditors posted the personal information of 20 or so Redditors who were active posters in r/creephots; all the info was gleaned from other Reddit postings of theirs. (Most of this information has since been scrubbed from the site.)
Naturally all this has inspired much indignation amongst Redditors, who are seemingly unaware of the irony inherent in their indignation about the invasion of privacy of those who ran and/or enthusiastically participated in a subreddit explicitly devoted to photographic invasions of privacy. (I don’t support revealing the personal info of these people, but at the same time I’m having a little trouble working up any sympathy for them.)
Rumors have spread on Reddit that one Redditor was physically attacked after being exposed as a CreepShot regular, but the only source of information on this is a user with the Reddit handle of POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS, so let’s just say that this is unconfirmed for now.
Links:
How to Shut Down Reddit’s CreepShots Once and for All: Name Names (Jezebel)
Internet Wars Over Women’s Bodies (Forbes)
The Internet War Over Creeps on Reddit (AtlanticWire)
/r/creepshots mod blackmailed into shutting down the sub a.k.a. The Admins Sure Doxxed The Ball On This One (ShitRedditSays thread)
r/creepshots has been removed due to doxxing of the main mod (SubredditDrama thread)
So it begins. Creepshots member beaten up following the Jezebel article which doxxed 20 Redditors (SubredditDrama thread)
There are naturally many more threads on the various aspects of all this on SubredditDrama right now.
Naturally, the good people of Men’s Rights have some thoughts on all this, many of them based on things that aren’t true.
/r/Creepshots and /r/violentacrez taken over by SRS by blackmailing with doxxing info. Apparently r/MensRights is next. (NOTE from DF: Nothing in this headline is true.)
Update on ViolentAcrez/Gawker/Adrian Chen/CreepShots (Substantially more accurate than the previous thread.)
Why does SRS feel the need to fuck with everyone? (Assorted SRS vilification based mostly on misinformation.)
Can the recent doxxing events be seen as an act of terrorism against this (or any) subreddit?
I’ll update this post with more info as necessary.
EDITED TO ADD: Here’s a giant list of links to media coverage of all this.
EDITED AGAIN: Chen’s article has been published on Gawker.
Meanwhile, the now-infamous Redditor POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS, the source of much of the dubious information discussed above, has been banned from Reddit; more importantly, he has been caught doctoring a screenshot of a conversation between him and a Reddit admin explaining why he’s being banned. So pretty much all of his claims, including the one about a creepshotter getting beaten up, are now suspect.
Also, here’s a screenshot that purports to be from Violentacrez explaining why he left Reddit.
One morbidly wonders what slavey’s definition of rape is.
Kitten kills trolls!
I wish I lived in Owly’s world…
A friend of mine was harassed in a bar by three mid-promenance sportsmen. (They also hassled another girl and had some lovely homophobic comments for me.) My friend, who is not a delicate little violet, told them to go fuck themselves, and being an aspiring journalist she went home and wrote a viciously funny article about sportsmen and sexual harassment in general and these three douchebags in particular.
She sent the finished article off to three people who’d published her work before.
One said he couldn’t publish it, but he would bring it up with the team concerned so the players would get a smack on the wrist.
The second said he wouldn’t publish it because he “knew the players and they’re really good guys.”
The third said he would, but that my friend, the other girl, and me had better be ready for a defamation case. We’d win, but we would also be abjectly humiliated. My friend decided not to publish.
Surely if the world was as Owly says, those sportsmen would be pilloried far and wide, everyone would know what happened, they’d be hounded by society and forced to move to Antarctica. But no. They’re continuing with their sporting careers wouldout even a blip.
@WeeBoy
“A friend of mine was harassed in a bar by three mid-promenance sportsmen. (They also hassled another girl and had some lovely homophobic comments for me.) My friend, who is not a delicate little violet, told them to go fuck themselves, and being an aspiring journalist she went home and wrote a viciously funny article about sportsmen and sexual harassment in general and these three douchebags in particular.”
That’s not harassment. Having your feelings hurt at a party is not harassment. Harassment would be the same person going out of their way to hassle you over a stretch of time. Did that happen? Was there sex involved for the funny article about sportsmen and sexual harassment?
You and all your whiney friends are infants.
By your defintion of harassment, everyone here practices online harssment. Manboobz cherry picks comments with the pen names those people are using and insults them. If a single comment in harassment, everyone here continually practices online harassment. You’re being held to the same yardstick you hold others. Is it still harassment?
@NWO: I repeat. 200,000 UNTESTED RAPE KITS IN THE UNITED STATES. When ONE CITY tested a mere 153 of their 11,000 untested rape kits, they found 21 serial rapists and 1 serial killer who had already murdered five women.
FUCK YOU.
FYI, 153 is less than 1.5% of all the untested rape kits in Detroit. 21 serial rapists. 1 serial killer who was allowed to murder five women because his first rape was not properly investigated.
So again I say, FUCK YOU. You are a fucking monster of a human being to look at those numbers and try to claim that false rape accusations are even REMOTELY that staggering.
I suspect news of this is restricted to his native country, but Google ‘Jimmy Savile‘ (or click on the link and it’ll be done for you) for the story of a high-profile DJ and TV celebrity who lived a long and very successful life, died last year, and was only then outed as what appears to be a serial sexual predator stretching back half a century or more – the police are currently pursuing a mind-boggling 340 separate lines of enquiry.
Essentially, it’s the British equivalent of the Jerry Sandusky affair, complete with what appears to be multiple examples of institutional cover-ups involving both the BBC and various branches of the National Health Service.
Of course there were loads of rumors going back decades, and he was even quizzed by police in 2007, but nothing came of it. The problem with British libel laws is that if you accuse someone who’s very rich of a potentially reputation-destroying crime, you have to be able to prove it with evidence that will stand up in court, which is almost impossible in situations like this.
And there also seems to be a fair amount of “oh well, everyone was like that in the 1960s/70s/80s” – “like that” meaning “tolerant of celebrities having sex with girls as young as their very early teens”. But we should never forget that Roman Polanski wasn’t some uniquely terrible predator – he was merely the one who got caught.
@blitzgal
Actual number of rapes for detroit over the course of a lifetime is 0.57 out of 1000. Or about 1 in 2000. Number of rapes in college over a four year period is 500 out of 2000. If a woman has a chance of being raped for 60 years of her life, that’s 15 x as long as 4 years of colloege. 15 x 500 = 7,500. A womans chance of being raped in college is 750,000% greater than in the most dangerous city in the US. May I suggest hunkering down in an alley in the most dangerous city in the US.
I again ask for you to find any college. They have the stats for all crimes on the website for that college, theft, sexual assault and so forth. you can also find out the number of women in that college. Divide that number by the number of rapes. Example 6284 women/ 1 rape = 1 on 6284.
I’m making this as easy as I can. Any college, which means you can use the absolute worst college for rapes. If you can’t do that, then it’s a lie. And you are parroting lies. Find me 1 in 4 anywhere. Can you do that?
I wish I lived in Owly’s world…
Listening to MRAs whine is like the old joke about the Jew reading Der Sturmer, because it makes him so much happier to read that Jews secretly run the world than to read about how the world actually is.
Is that Pell I spy on the previous page?
And the abuser lobby strikes again. This was recently posted on Spreadheads “chinese feminism is sooo awesome post”. Trigger warning for violence against women:
hmiggen mghow October 13, 2012 at 12:38
Great article Welmer – and I love how this throws a bucket of cold water in the faces of the American feminist.
Totally unrelated, but check out this uppercut. Bus driver decides he’s had enough and puts the smackdown on:
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Yes she smacked him. I believe it was after he started talking about slicing up her face. And smacking anyone in the face is wrong unless you’re in immediate danger and trying to get away. He could have called the cops. Instead, he gives her an uppercut to the head. You know, to show her what a man he is, because women shouldn’t get mouthy like men can.
The post is recent. Its’ had one comment in reply to it. I wonder how many of the boys there are getting off on it?
Owly, I sure as fuck hope that what I do is harrassing to the abusers lobby. I hope they run away from their computers and cry into their pillows when they realize that their abusive bullshit will not be tolerated by society at large. I hope they get so upset about what people have to say to them when they spout their bullshit online that they stay away from online communities until they learn how to keep their bullshit to themselves.
That video is popular on r/mr too.
I just want to highlight Owly’s math from the previous page:
* i.e. reported rapes
** one year. Actually, since 1999, the rate of reported rapes per 100K of population in Detroit has ranged from a low of 36.4 to a high of 87.7
*** Actually, that’s sexual assault (including rape), I believe, and I think the number is more like 1 in 5, but I don’t have time to look it up — gotta go to the market, and cry in the aisles until some man buys my groceries.
**** Percentages, how do they work?
Since Slavey is bad at math, I’m going to crunch the numbers on the one city that bothered to test some of its rape kits for him. Testing 153 rape kits turned up 21 serial rapists. Since “serial” by the nature of the word has to mean that each of those men committed at least 2 rapes, we have 21 men committing nearly a third of the 153 rapes that they bothered to look into (at a bare minimum – could have been a much higher percentage). Now, this supports academic studies on rape, which have shown that men who commit rape tend to do it both deliberately and more than once. It also supports the idea that the problem with rape is not that all men are rapists, it’s that the men who are rapists get away with it and are therefore able to cause harm to a vast number of women, with society’s tacit consent. If you’re a man with an actual interest in countering the (totally not real, but apparently a thing that many MRAs believe) idea that feminists think all men are rapists, it would be in your best interests for serial rapists to be identified. But for some reason you don’t like that idea. Hmm, I wonder why?
Wetherby – the Savile news has been in the papers here every day.
Oh, and BTW, in New York City, where they’ve adopted a policy of testing every single rape kit that is collected, the arrest rate for rape is 70%. They’ve also discovered exactly what Cassandra says just above — they’re finding that guys who rape tend to have multiple victims, even in acquaintance rapes.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-5590118.html
I totally fucked up that copy/paste job. Sorry, people.
NWO, please stop trying to do math. I am the worst person in the world at math, and if I can figure out your math is pants, you should just look at kittens until the urge to play with numbers passes.
@hellkell
“NWO, please stop trying to do math.”
You do the math. Find me a college with 1 in 4 rapes. I’ve asked repeatedly. Go to any college site and they have a section that lists the criminal activity. They also list the population of that college. It should be the easiest thing in the world. Now go and do it.
Owly, you nincompoop, so many people have tried to explain this to you. Why do I bother?
(A) It’s one in 5.
(B) It’s rapes or attempted rapes/sexual assault.
(C) Most rapes aren’t reported.
(D) Colleges under-report criminal activity so that people will continue enrolling.
(5) You are a nincompoop, and you need to take remedial math. And deal with the numerous posts above about untested rape kits, and what is discovered when they are finally tested. Like the fact that many of the offenders have assaulted multiple adults and children. I know you don’t care about women being raped, you’ve made that abundantly clear — but don’t you want people who assault children taken off the streets? Are you so invested in hurting women that children are acceptable “collateral damage?”
Not surprising, given that these undetected rapists admit to having an average of 6 victims a piece (of the ones who have more than one victim).
NWO: If it’s only harassment when someone fucks you, then you don’t get to say it’s feminist oppression unless a man goes to jail, so shut up about it; because no one is; by your rules, oppressed, least of all you.
Call me when you get arrested, then you can say you are oppressed.
Guys… NWO isn’t going to face the truth, ever. He thinks women should be property. He thinks rape, at root, isn’t a crime against a person, but a crime against property; but if you are a woman, it’s (at most) petty theft, like shoplifting. Because you asked for it, strumpetting all over town, letting men see you.
If you are a man, and it’s your woman who was raped… that’s bad; if she didn’t just lie to cover up the evilness of her nasty female ways, cheating on you, and shit like that.
@cloudiah
“Owly, you nincompoop, so many people have tried to explain this to you. Why do I bother?”
“(A) It’s one in 5.”
Then show me 1 in 5.
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“(B) It’s rapes or attempted rapes/sexual assault.”
Then show me 1 in 5 of all of those combined.
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“(C) Most rapes aren’t reported.”
How could anyone possibly even guess at what isn’t reported? “Most” aren’t reported? For all you know every single one is reported. Ridiculous.
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“(D) Colleges under-report criminal activity so that people will continue enrolling.”
What would make you come to this conclusion? There is no evidence that this is true.
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(C) & (D) are excuses where a number of 1 in 5 is stated as a fact. In order to reach that gospel number you must assume that “most” assaults aren’t reported and colleges under-report. Why not 1 in 2? Why not ten times a day? All of them are equally ficticious numbers plucked from the sky.
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Show me one in five using actual “known” numbers. Not numbers based on feminist dogma. If it’s 1 in 2,000 then it’s 1 in 2,000. You can’t just say only 1 in 400 assaults are ever reported.
This isn’t feminist family feud, where Richard Dawson says, “Show me the #1 feminist answer for the assault rate on campus.” Survey says, 1 in 5 and the feminst audience goes wild.
Show me actual numbers. Not conjecture. Not what you want it to be. Actual numbers.
Cloudiah – given Owly’s fondness for complaining about those eight-year-olds in swimsuits (or was it capri pants?) being all slutty in front of him at the beach, I doubt he really thinks rape is a thing where children are concerned, either. Unless that, too, is property damage, as Pecunium pointed out.
Basically “man shoving his dick into someone who doesn’t want him to” is not a crime at all in Owly’s world, unless perhaps it offends another property-owner, or it’s one of Teh Gayz doing it.