There’s drama on Reddit again, with a veritable army of Redditors rising up in righteous indignation to fight off those evil man-haters who’ve challenged their ineffable right to free speech to post creepy and intrusive and possibly illegal pictures of women and girls.
I don’t have the energy to catalogue the whole murky mess so let me just point out a few of the key events here, all of which have inspired multiple mega-threads full of sound and fury and lots of misinformation.
1) Reddit user Violentacrez, the founder of r/jailbait and r/picsofdeadkids and countless other skeezy subreddits, deleted his account after learning that Adrian Chen of Gawker was working on a story about him that might include his real name.
On Reddit, where bullshit travels at the speed of light, Redditors convinced themselves that Violentacrez, who took pride in being Reddit’s “creepy uncle,” was being “blackmailed” by either Chen or ShitRedditSays, conceptualized by most Redditors as some sort of collective supervillain not unlike Star Trek’s Borg. (On the Men’s Rights subreddit, moderator Ignatiusloyola, a major purveyor of misinformation on the current controversies, even suggested that I might somehow be mixed up in all of this, which is of course not the case. ) Violentacrez has come forth to say that Chen was not in fact blackmailing him in any way.
Naturally, Redditors have risen up to defend the honor of Mr. Acrez, who despite because of his incredible skeeziness was a beloved figure amongst the Reddit masses. Indeed, the moderators of a number of popular subreddits – including r/politics and, of course, r/mensrights – have banded together to ban Gawker and Jezebel and all related sites from their alleged free-speech zones.
A few links if you want to explore this further:
Redditors Stand Up to Gawker to Protect Child Pornography (AtlanticWire)
[Mod Post] A tribute to Violentacrez, who was doxxed and was being threatened in real life, and an important message to ALL subscribers (please upvote this self post) (NSFW subreddit thread; unreliable information within)
2) The CreepShots subreddit, devoted to surreptitiously taken pictures of attractive young women (and possibly a few men), has vanished, apparently either banned by Reddit’s admins or taken down by the subreddit’s moderator after someone threatened to expose his name.
But this was not the only attempt to creep-shame the creepshotters: A tumblr blog called Predditors posted the personal information of 20 or so Redditors who were active posters in r/creephots; all the info was gleaned from other Reddit postings of theirs. (Most of this information has since been scrubbed from the site.)
Naturally all this has inspired much indignation amongst Redditors, who are seemingly unaware of the irony inherent in their indignation about the invasion of privacy of those who ran and/or enthusiastically participated in a subreddit explicitly devoted to photographic invasions of privacy. (I don’t support revealing the personal info of these people, but at the same time I’m having a little trouble working up any sympathy for them.)
Rumors have spread on Reddit that one Redditor was physically attacked after being exposed as a CreepShot regular, but the only source of information on this is a user with the Reddit handle of POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS, so let’s just say that this is unconfirmed for now.
Links:
How to Shut Down Reddit’s CreepShots Once and for All: Name Names (Jezebel)
Internet Wars Over Women’s Bodies (Forbes)
The Internet War Over Creeps on Reddit (AtlanticWire)
/r/creepshots mod blackmailed into shutting down the sub a.k.a. The Admins Sure Doxxed The Ball On This One (ShitRedditSays thread)
r/creepshots has been removed due to doxxing of the main mod (SubredditDrama thread)
So it begins. Creepshots member beaten up following the Jezebel article which doxxed 20 Redditors (SubredditDrama thread)
There are naturally many more threads on the various aspects of all this on SubredditDrama right now.
Naturally, the good people of Men’s Rights have some thoughts on all this, many of them based on things that aren’t true.
/r/Creepshots and /r/violentacrez taken over by SRS by blackmailing with doxxing info. Apparently r/MensRights is next. (NOTE from DF: Nothing in this headline is true.)
Update on ViolentAcrez/Gawker/Adrian Chen/CreepShots (Substantially more accurate than the previous thread.)
Why does SRS feel the need to fuck with everyone? (Assorted SRS vilification based mostly on misinformation.)
Can the recent doxxing events be seen as an act of terrorism against this (or any) subreddit?
I’ll update this post with more info as necessary.
EDITED TO ADD: Here’s a giant list of links to media coverage of all this.
EDITED AGAIN: Chen’s article has been published on Gawker.
Meanwhile, the now-infamous Redditor POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS, the source of much of the dubious information discussed above, has been banned from Reddit; more importantly, he has been caught doctoring a screenshot of a conversation between him and a Reddit admin explaining why he’s being banned. So pretty much all of his claims, including the one about a creepshotter getting beaten up, are now suspect.
Also, here’s a screenshot that purports to be from Violentacrez explaining why he left Reddit.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/who-is-your-tube-crush-6393376.html
Something about putting pictures online and writing comments without permission. And men are bad.
This is what Owly actually believes.
lulz
Instantly lose your job? Name and picture on the front page of the local paper? Arrested? HA! If only.
Shorter owly: Men’s imaginary problems are worse than women’s real problems.
Wait, owly believes that if he were doxxed, *we* would randomly go to our local police and claimed he raped us? Just for funsies? Because we’re women = good, man = bad big daddy yadda yadda?
That….. is so far from reality that it might actually be delusional.
‘Shorter owly: Men’s imaginary problems are worse than women’s real problems.’
You need to embroider this on a pillow.
Not to mention that if evil women thought they COULD do that to poooor Owly, why haven’t they, yet? I mean, geez, if it was that easy to get women-haters out of society …
@Fitzy – Yeah, Prince Philip was a handsome bloke when he was young but I don’t much like what I know of him. Prince Albert (he’s the only one to have been called Prince Consort, btw; it was his title by letters patent from 1857) was a really interesting and likable man AND seriously good looking. Yeah, there was no ‘lie back and think of England’ for Victoria, she was madly in love with him from go to whoa. It’s sad reading her letters to her daughter Vicky after Albert’s death, it’s obvious sex was one of the things she really missed.
And Hark, a Vagrant has the best cartoon of their early days here.
Adrian Chen has posted his article: http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
Here is someone purporting to be Violentacrez explaining his real reason for leaving reddit:
http://i.imgur.com/FF2YV.png
Note the red rectangle near the bottom of the image. That’s right: the former moderator of the late r/jailbait thinks reddit is badly run because SRS is allowed to exist. You can’t imagine the jollies this gives me.
@clairedammit
“Shorter owly: Men’s imaginary problems are worse than women’s real problems.”
Womens problems = hurt feelings.
Mens problems = discriminated against by law.
Hey Owly, head over to tubecrush’s “submission guidelines” page and you’ll see the first thing that makes tubecrush way better than r/Creepshots ever was:
Slavey,
Except it’s reality. In the real world false accusation are the rule, not the exception. So much so that cabs in many countries are required to have cameras, not to protect them from theft or violence, but to protect them from drunken womens false allegations. Rape is the swiss army knife word for every occasion. If you want child custody, it’s rape. If you want revenge, it’s rape. Late getting home, it’s rape. Caught cheating, it’s rape. Want attention, it’s rape. Don’t wanna pay a cab fare, it’s rape.
You’ve missed your calling in life. You should have been a stable boy, with all the bullshit you sling.
I’m gonna say this every fucking time until you assholes get it through your thick fucking skulls.
THE ARREST RATE FOR RAPE IS 25%.
13% OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE ULTIMATELY CONVICTED
THERE ARE OVER 200,000 UNTESTED RAPE KITS IN THE UNITED STATES
In Detroit alone, testing a mere 153 rape kits resulted in the discovery of 21 serial rapists and 1 serial killer who went on to rape and kill five women after the city neglected to test the rape kit of the first woman he raped.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/28/rapists-beware-detroit-prosecutor-ids-21-attackers-in-rape-kit-probe.html
If you’re a rapist in America, the odds are stacked in your favor that you will never face one iota of justice for your crimes.
Oddly enough, Slavey, I’ve never been falsely (or accurately) accused of rape in my life. Nor do I know any other men who have been falsely accused of rape. I have, however, known a couple of men who committed rape and got away with it, because the women is question didn’t want to report it to law enforcement. And it wasn’t just “he said, she said;” everyone who knew the people in question knew it was rape. So, no, I’m not buying that false accusations are the rule not the exception. My experience is that men getting away with rape, sadly, is the rule not the exception.
The Kitteh’s Unpaid Help: But Albert’s sense of propriety is a massive part of why the Victorian attitudes toward sex was so conflicted.
NWO: Have you ever written a single word anywhere condemning the way which women abuse men
When they do, I do. When they don’t, there is nothing to condemn.
You expect men to be honorable but you demand no such thing from women.
Yes I do. What I don’t do is subscribe to your ideas about honor. You think leaving the room to get a metal pipe is the right way to treat women who slap you.
You also think that a woman who defends herself should be “escalated against”, until they learn their place.
So no, we don’t have the same ideas about honor. I think response needs to be proportional, and that when someone isn’t an active threat, you stop.
I’ve never seen the name pecunium in any comments when MSM women journalists feel it’s their duty to belittle men.
Show me what you think is belittling (quotes and links). I’ll tell you what I think; and what I might have said.
And yes, I do go by other names; what names do you use? I’m sure your boss doesn’t know you as, “Mr. Slave”.
Say I was doxxed? I wouldn’t put it past anyone here to cry rape within a day. It wouldn’t matter that it was a total sham. I would instantly lose my job, my name and picture would be on the front page of the local paper, I would be arrested. My accusers name would be safe and anonymous.
Examples of men this has happened to?
What’s to stop them from doing it anyway? All it takes is a complaint, right? The the “violent power of the state” kicks in. Two subpoenas is all it would take to find you. One to WordPress, and then one to the ISP hosting you.
Since you are still at large, your ideas on rape, and feminists, are demonstrably false, to the point of delusion.
>Oddly enough, Slavey, I’ve never been falsely (or accurately) accused of rape in my life. Nor do I know any other men who have been falsely accused of rape.
Dude, your personal experience is irrelevant in face of the ten thousands of harmless beta men who have been locked up under false rape charges, while the alpha serial rapists killer cannibals usually live happy and successful lifes as CEOs and make a million bucks a year between strangling elephants and lions for fun. You know, as alpha men are wont to.
This is totally srs.
The story on gawker is interesting, he comes across as a reasonable person who has just forgotten that if he posts a picture of a woman being beaten a woman has been beaten to take that photo. It is almost as if he forgets he isn’t in a fake world, and his actions actually have an impact on real life people or encourage/support bad behaviour in real life. Maybe that is the same with all trolls, they just don’t realize the world is real.
@Tulgey Logger
“We won’t publish photos that:
…
-Feature a minor or someone we think may be under the age of 18.”
I can do that too. Here’s a picture of a girl, I didn’t “think” she was under 18. Well there’s an easy out. You just can’t admit that women demand to be treated like infants.
A man takes a picture of a random woman and puts it online. He is bad.
A woman takes a piture of a random man and puts it online. She is empowered.
If a man takes a picture of a woman who is out in public and it’s considered lewd, than the woman is the one being lewd. Do you know how infantile women sound when they complain that a picture taken of them in public is lewd, pornographic or inappropriate. Women are the ones dressed like that, so they’re the ones being lewd, pornographic and inappropriate. And if it’s girls under 18 dressed like that, how does that make them victims?
Look. Go outside, its a nice fall evening. look around at the men, we’ll call them civilized grown up people. When you notice that all the men are fully dressed, nice loose fitting clothing and pretty much just their hands and faces aren’t covered. Now you go dress like that. Now, when a picture is taken like in tube crush, you won’t be embarrassed for looking like a stripper in public. And then you’ll be just like a big girl.
If you think you’ll be embarrassed to be caught on camera for dressing like a stripper in public, then don’t dress like a stripper in public.
Kakanian, my husband is a vegetarian – does this mean he isn’t really an alpha? Damn. I thought I snagged myself an alpha. i guess I’ll have to divorce him and get alimony for the rest of my life.
Yes. After clicking on a few links and reading what ensued, I am going to vomit uncontrollably for quite some time.
Not all men are like that. Honestly. NAMALT.
@blitzgal
A man and a woman are both drunk, the woman can initiate the sex and still cry rape the next day. The man should have known better than to let a woman drink. The man should have known better than to have sex while we they both drinking. He’s at fault. I mean how infantile are woman? Poor women, they’re just so scatterbrain.
Oh you have statistics do you? Maybe it’s not prosectuted or convicted because there not rapes. But we still use those numbers in our statistics don’t we?
I challenge anyone here to find me a college where 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted in college. Give me the link to the number of students and the number of assaults. And it better damn well add up to 1 in 4. If you can’t do that then it’s a LIE.
It’s real simple, if a college has 10,000 people and 5,000 are women with an average degree taking 4 years, approxiamtely 10,000 women will attend that college over a 4 year period. That college will have to have 2.500 sexual assaults over that 4 year period, or about 625 in a single year.
One college, any college. Go ahead. Find me one stinking college where 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted. One ipso facto will be, you can’t just up and say 99% of women don’t report. That kinda makes it a little too easy, now doesn’t it? Why not just say a million percent don’t report and really jack up the numbers?
I have mixed feelings about the Gawker article, but mostly I think they were right to publish it the way they did. The part I have mixed feelings about is that they published the city Michael Brutsch lives in, which means strangers should be able to find him through public records pretty easily. I’m not sorry if his employers find out about his actions, so I have no problem with them publishing his name and picture.
And NWO has no answer to me. I am SOOOO surprised.
>Kakanian, my husband is a vegetarian – does this mean he isn’t really an alpha?
I think you’re going to be fine as long as he has strangled a lion today.