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Spearheader: The real victims of predatory female teachers are the guys “hot teachers” AREN’T having sex with

Van Halen videos are not reality.

Men’s Rights activists are constantly posting links to stories of women committing horrible crimes – what some have taken to calling “women behaving badly” (WBB) stories – and almost reveling in the fact that, yes, some women do indeed do horrible shit.

MRAs are particularly obsessed with stories of female high school teachers preying on their underage students. While this partly reflects the general MRA obsession with badly behaving women, MRAs do actually make a legitimate point here: while most people understand that female victims of predatory male teachers are indeed victims, quite a few people regard male victims of attractive female teachers as “lucky” boys who get to live out the schoolboy fantasy of having sex with a “hot teacher.”

So when I saw that The Spearhead was featuring  a guest post titled “The Hot Teacher Myth, and How it Hurts Men,” I expected to see some version of this argument being made. What I found was one of the strangest and creepiest things I’ve ever read: Walt Forest seems to think that the real problem is that so few guys get the opportunity to have sex with “hot teachers.”

Forest points out (correctly) that cases or female teachers sexually abusing their male students are actually fairly rare. He goes on to argue that all the attention paid to predatory “hot teachers” in the media promotes the “myth” that male and female sexuality is fundamentally the same. This, he suggests, is bad for men:

How does this myth hurt men?

Set aside for a moment the image of the hot teacher and her underage male victim which the media force on us with such insistence. Instead imagine a far more common scenario: a young man (or for that matter, a not-so-young man) who does NOT have sex with his teacher, but desperately wants to.

I’m not quite sure in what world lots of young and not-so-young men – not teenage boys — are being taught by “hot” high school teachers. Perhaps the “hot teachers” here are actually “hot” college professors or grad students and the men in question are college students? Or is Forest simply trying to avoid the question of sexual abuse by pretending that underage boys are “men?”

Forest continues to explore the plight of this poor fellow:

In fact this man would like to have sex with many of the women around him, but — with very few exceptions — he cannot.

Well, yeah. There are 3.5 billion girls and women on planet earth; even the most advanced Lothario is only going to be having sex with a very small fraction of a percentage of them.

But alas, the media tortures this hapless undersexed fellow by suggesting that women like sex as much as men, even though the overwhelming majority of women won’t actually have sex with him personally.

[O]ur media and increasingly ordinary people assure this man that women he hardly knows (even his teachers) will suddenly lead him by the hand to their beds for no other reason than the pleasure of having sex with him, “no strings attached.” This kind of thing is ordinary, we tell him. It “happens all the time.”

Well, in porn it does. Most people are aware that porn isn’t reality.

When it does not happen—of course it never does—he is left to think that he must be something less than an ordinary man. If he dares to voice his disappointment, we tell him that he places excessive importance on sex, views women as “objects,” and the rest of the standard pop feminist rhetoric designed to put the blame back on the man himself. We blame the man because we MUST if we are to avoid blaming ourselves for all the lies we are telling him.

I’m pretty sure that most men – or even most teenage boys — don’t spend their days wondering why their lives aren’t exactly like Penthouse Letters.

These lies hurt men. It is difficult for anyone who has not suffered this hurt first hand to understand just how bad it can be, but from my own experience I believe these lies are helping to create the ongoing male suicide epidemic (which our society, tellingly, also refuses to acknowledge).

Men kill themselves because “hot teachers” don’t seduce them on a regular basis? Really?

These lies certainly make countless men miserable. For this reason I believe exposing the myth that male and female sexualities are the same should be the men’s movement’s first priority. Hot teacher stories obviously make up only a tiny part of this myth, but because they are such a blatant distortion of reality, they are a good place to start.

Quite a few of The Spearhead’s regulars were put off by the, well, weirdness of Forest’s post. But others chimed in to agree. Indeed, Arpagus actually took Forest’s strange argument a step further, earning himself some actual Spearhead downvotes in the process:

[T]he female sex offender charade has been the most frustrating aspect of feminism for me personally, not least because I have experienced a great deal of sexual frustration in the past, and nothing can be more offensive to celibate men than pretending there is an epidemic of female rapists. …

It is a most distinctive sign of cultural decline that we have forgotten that pussy is good. This ancient wisdom has been brainwashed out of our culture by feminism. Now pussy is rape and abuse just like male sexuality is. Traditional society might have punished an adulteress for a student-teacher type of relationship, but they certainly did not indulge in any charade about the boy being a “victim,” because they knew he got lucky if you consider the sex itself. There are reasons why a society might want to proscribe those kinds of relationships, but the boy being a “victim” of “abuse” is most assuredly not one of them.

MRA elder “Zed” gently corrected Arpagus in a comment that was nearly as strange, suggesting that predatory “hot teachers”

are not being punished for “harming the boys”, that is just a convenient excuse. What they are actually being punished for is giving away free pussy.

If you take a close look at the outrage among men these days for having to pay full price for used pussy, their anger is divided between the guys who got it at a price far lower than they paid for it, and the women who gave it away to another man for less than they charged him for it.

It would be like a rich man buying an entire wine cellar of Dom Pérignon at the going price of $200+/bottle – savoring what indulgence his wealth could buy him – only to find his kitchen wench had been pouring free flutes for the pool boy.

Or, like it a member of the Medellín Cartel discovering that their US connection to whom they shipped 2 metric tons of high quality cocaine, was laying out lines for her friends.

She is not being punished for “harming the boys” (HA!) but for black marketing the product that the pussy cartel owns.

The women are being punished FOR allowing the boys to get lucky, and get some without having to lay out 3 months salary for an engagement ring and $35,000 on a Bridezilla party for cupcake.

Now that’s the kind of comment that gets upvotes on The Spearhead, and makes Zed a revered figure in the Men’s Rights movement.

EDITED TO ADD: Not sure how I missed this, but Arpagus is apparently the truly creepy Norwegian blogger Eivind Berge, whom we’ve met before.

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cloudiah
12 years ago

The no quoting, bad punctuation, pretending to be something high status, all dead giveaways for Pell. How’s Monty?

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Does this mean the Pell Biography/CV is going to need updating?

pecunium
pecunium
12 years ago

The real giveaway for Pell is the “sudden reveal”.

It’s not just that Ian says “schools don’t do that”, he insists he’s right because “I work at Princeton and am affected by no such rule”.

What’s interesting, to me, is that at Foothill/DeAnza it’s any staff member. So the janitors, and the catering staff, aren’t allowed to date students.

Which has caused problems when one them has a spouse/partner who decides to go to school, not so much because it can’t be worked out, but because they forget to inform the school when the partner enrolls.

whataboutthemoonz
12 years ago

Perhaps we should go back to single sex Universities.And to avoid these sex problems gays can go to the female colleges.

But where do the lesbians go?

Kim
Kim
12 years ago

And to avoid these sex problems gays can go to the female colleges.

He’s just being silly now. The obvious solution is to have a university for every gay guy with a lesbian teaching them. And one for each lesbian with a gay guy teaching them. That way there is no temptation for anyone because it is, of course, impossible for anyone to control their sexual urges around 18-25 yr olds.

Ian
Ian
12 years ago

Penelope Cruz who is past menopause is hardly what I’d consider young and nubile lol

@ Sir Wigglesworth-why do you stupid lower class females always pretend that there is some error in someone’s writing when you know that there isn’t? Do you actually believe that everyone is as dumb as you? Is this your asinine way of trying to win an argument when you have no response? Oh look look! He left a comma out which means I’m a lot smarter than he. Typical lower class female crap and every man knows it.

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“Penelope Cruz is past menopause” – funny, when did 38 count as “past menopause”?

Troll meltdown countdown commenced, 10 … 9 … 8 …

Ian
Ian
12 years ago

And cut the bullshit with those alleged codes of conduct from Harvard and Yale because you obviously are not smart enough to know what they mean.A Harvard professor would sue the school if they even tried to enforce some rule made up by some prune faced feminist spinster. Ever hear of any cases where a male professor at Harvard lost his job over screwing some 18yo student? There are none and besides none of you females on here would ever get within a 100 miles of Harvard except as a charwoman scrubbing the male urinals.

Ian
Ian
12 years ago

Penelope Cruz is past menopause” – funny, when did 38 count as “past menopause”?

OK I was off by 2 years. Average age of menopause is 40.

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Wrong. Perimenopause typically begins in the mid to late 40s. It can begin in the early 40s but that’s not the average at all.

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… 3 … 2 … 1 …

“none of you females on here would ever get within a 100 miles of Harvard except as a charwoman scrubbing the male urinals.”

Meltdown is reached, we have liftoff! 😀

inurashii
inurashii
12 years ago

Ian, good bid at a derail, especially with all the classist bullshit, but we can tell that you’re purposefully ignoring all of the ways in which your nonsense was driven into the ground.

You bring nothing to the table. Congrats.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

Just out of curiosity, what do you ‘teach’ at Princeton? Not English, obviously. Or contract law, if you think someone can sue over being bound by reasonable terms of employment. Or anything to do with administration, if you think that any committee that draws up the code of conduct for a college’s staff isn’t heavily loaded with professors.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
12 years ago

none of you females on here would ever get within a 100 miles of Harvard except as a charwoman scrubbing the male urinals

Heh. The campus is open to the public you know,

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

30 seconds of research reveals: the current President of Harvard is a woman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gilpin_Faust

30 seconds of research.

I’m an undergraduate, majoring in English/creative writing.

What’s your field again, Mr. “I fill in at Princeton”?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

Oh, holy fuck, so is the president of Princeton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_M._Tilghman

She’d be your boss, if you actually worked at the place!

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Sir Bodsworth pwns Pell … 😀

drst
drst
12 years ago

I thin Ian’s point of reference are TV and movies. Casting directors love to pair older men with younger women, it makes certain people feel validated/superior/not afraid of getting older.

It ain’t just tv. That asshole director of “Snow White and the Huntsman” who is MARRIED has an affair with Kristen Stewart, who is about 20 years younger than him and while dating someone not actually married, and who gets booted from the sequel? Her, not him. He breaks his vows and gets busted and he gets to keep his job, she gets eviscerated publicly.

And talk about power dynamics. Jesus wept.

pecunium
pecunium
12 years ago

Ian… so Harvard has that policy because? How about Yale? What about your institution (i.e. Princeton, in case you forgot)?

It’s written down. It’s a condition of employment. If s/he sued, s/he would lose.

But tell us, “Ian” what do you teach? Are you tenured? Tenure track? Adjunct?

I’ve been an instructor. It was known that any sort of improper relationship (which included, in some cases, simple socialising) would be grounds for summary dismissal.

An improper sexual relationship might have resulted in criminal charges. I am willing to stipulate to professors at Harvard, and Yale, being intelligent enough to not have relationships with students.

If i stipulate that you teach at Princeton, I am not willing to extend my prior stipulation to that institution.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Pell, wow. We always know it’s you. Dude, seek help.

pecunium
pecunium
12 years ago

drst: The studio made a statement that Stewart wasn’t being dropped from the sequel.

pecunium
pecunium
12 years ago

Wow… The States of Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire will prevent all of the women on Manboobz from being within 100 miles of Cambridge?

Has anyone told Cliff?

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C’mon, Pell, keep it up! One more good meltdown should see you with an unbeatable lead for Troll of the Year!

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

Aww, y’all scared off the Abominable Pell Ness Monster. I didn’t know he was so shy.

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Maybe he exploded …

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