By now you may have seen the pointed on-air response that Jennifer Livingston, a news anchor for WKTB in La Crosse Wisconsin, gave to a viewer who suggested that someone as fat as she is should not really be on TV, lest young girls get the idea that it’s ok to be fat.
Here’s the video. Some thoughts on it below.
Let’s go back, for a moment, to what the guy said in his email. (You can find a transcript of the whole video here.)
Hi Jennifer,
It’s unusual that I see your morning show, but I did so for a very short time today. I was surprised indeed to witness that your physical condition hasn’t improved for many years. Surely you don’t consider yourself a suitable example for this community’s young people, girls in particular. Obesity is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain. I leave you this note hoping that you’ll reconsider your responsibility as a local public personality to present and promote a healthy lifestyle.
While couched as helpful advice from a concerned citizen, the email basically suggests that Jennifer is, in essence, committing a crime against young girls by being fat in public. While Livingston, as a TV anchor, presumably “assaults” thousands of young girls by appearing on TV fat, the letter writer’s logic would presumably apply to every fat woman who posts pictures of herself online, appears in a play, or even just goes outside where others can see her.
Indeed, one woman I know has gotten similar, er, complaints, from people who’ve attacked her for “celebrating obesity” by posting pictures of herself on her blog looking something other than miserable and ashamed of her body.
In addition to the fact that Livingston’s weight is none of this guy’s fucking business, it should also be noted that the he’s simply incorrect in assuming that a person’s weight has much to do with the healthiness of their lifestyle. There are plenty of skinny people living less than healthy lives, including many in the public eye. (Has he ever heard of eating disorders? Or Keith Richard?) And fatness in itself is not a sign of an unhealthy lifestyle, nor does it generally add to health risks. Indeed, as author and fat blogger Kate Harding has noted:
Weight itself is not a health problem, except in the most extreme cases (i.e., being underweight or so fat you’re immobilized). In fact, fat people live longer than thin people and are more likely to survive cardiac events … obesity research is turning up surprising information all the time — much of which goes ignored by the media … Just because you’ve heard over and over and over that fat! kills! doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means that people in this culture really love saying it.
What you eat makes a difference to your health – not how much, or how many of the calories go directly to your waistline.
Meanwhile even those who actually want to lose a lot of weight don’t have many practical options besides gastric surgery, which carries its own health risks. Diets tend to be a mixture of quackery and false hope. They can be unhealthy and even dangerous – and the overwhelming majority of dieters eventually gain back what they lose. For most people, short of gastric surgery, the only way to lose a lot of weight and keep it off is to remain on a diet forever.
But the issue here isn’t really health. It’s body policing. As Livingston herself noted, fat people know that they’re fat. They don’t need it pointed out to them, even if the person pointing it out convinces themselves that they’re doing it for the fat person’s good. And frankly, most of those pointing it out don’t have good intentions. (It’s no coincidence that the favorite insult of the MRAs and other misogynists who hate this blog is to call me fat; I expect some will use this post an excuse for another round of fat-shaming.)
As Livingston noted in her reply to the letter-writer:
The truth is, I am overweight. You could call me fat and yes, even obese, on a doctor’s chart. But to the person who wrote me that letter, do you think I don’t know that? That your cruel words are pointing out something that I don’t see? You don’t know me. You are not a friend of mine. You are not a part of my family and you have admitted that you don’t watch this show so you know nothing about me but what you see on the outside and I am much more than a number on a scale.
And here is where I want all of us to learn something from this. If you didn’t already know, October is National Anti-Bullying Month, and this is a problem that is growing every day in our schools and on the internet. It is a major issue in the lives of young people today and as the mother of three young girls it scares me to death. Now I am a grown women and luckily for me I have a very thick skin, literally, as that email pointed out, and otherwise. And that man’s words mean nothing to me. But what really angers me is there are children who don’t know better. Who get emails, as critical as the one I received or in many cases even worse, each and every day. The internet has become a weapon. Our schools have become a battleground. And this behaviour is learned. It is passed down from people like the man who wrote me that email.
Since Livingston’s video went viral, the letter writer has come forward to double-down on his fat-shaming, saying in a statement that he hopes “she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year.”
I’m not quite sure why the letter writer thinks it’s Livingston’s job to “transform … herself” to meet his desired specifications. But I doubt there’s any point to arguing that with him unless he can first transform himself into something other than the real-world version of an internet “concern troll.”
After reading all this, I thought I’d take a look at MGTOWforums.com – where the regulars are not exactly shy about expressing their opinions about the appearance of women — to see if the regulars had responded with their customary compassion and respect. By which I mean self-righteousness and fat jokes. I was not disappointed.
Bubbagumpshrimp, while himself fat, decided it was perfectly fair to attack the weight of a fat women who – gasp! – puts herself on TV.
The writer stated the truth without resorting to being mean about it. He didn’t call her fat or anything mean. He just referred to her as what she obviously is…obese. This coming from someone that’s a good sized guy. You can’t go into a career that has you on camera, be her size, and be shocked when people call you on it. You VOLUNTARILY put yourself out there to be judged. If you don’t want to be picked apart on your weight, go be an IT person or something.
The problem in this country is that obese people are viewed as victims of a medical condition. The reality of it is that they are in a self-induced state. They have no one to blame but themselves. Putting someone like that out there to be a whiner when it’s obvious that she partakes in the all you can eat buffet line makes her exactly what the writer said…not a good role model for children.
Stewie displayed his rapier wit:
You shouldn’t be reporting on climate changes when you are so fat you are causing them.
Simple conflict of interest.
I don’t think she should be allowed to talk about earth quakes or talk shit about the gravitational pull of the moon either.
You know, because she’s FAT. (The climate and weather references are there because the MGTOWforum regulars seem to think she’s a weather person.)
DruidV, meanwhile, waxed indignant that a woman who doesn’t appeal to his boner is even allowed on TV:
This kind of shit is exactly why I killed my TV years ago.
Look, bitch, you’re FAT!
Listen, bitch, it’s perfectly a okay for anyone to tell you so publicly or otherwise. You don’t have the right to not be offended.
Let me say it again, bitch, YOU ARE FAT! and also very ugly, so I guess what you really are is FUGLY, bitch!
No, it’s NOT to be celebrated either, you nasty slob! It’s disgusting and pathetic. You should at least be ashamed of yourself, since laying off the buffet and hitting the gym is apparently out of the question, but then you are also female, which means you can’t even shut up about yourself long enough to see what a laughing stock you are. Three strikes and you are out, Bertha.
That said, couldn’t we pony up some $$$ to get this hideous broad (pun intended) replaced by a hot bikini blonde weather slut? It’s bad enough to have to watch our shitty weather play out, but do we really have to look at an indignant fat pig telling us how great and special she and her husband thinks she is at the same time?
Blah!
Blah indeed — because the letter writer’s missive to Livingston was really only a more politely worded, passive-aggressive version of this sort of hateful shit.
@Owly
I could make you a really nice tinfoil fedora, or a tinfoil stetson, or even the standard tinfoil cone hat if you’d like. Seems like it’d be a nice favor.
I have two foot-long scars on either side of my right arm from where I snapped my arm in half after falling off a bunk bed. I have some nerve damage, but it’s better now. And yet, I found no trouble being in relationships with lovely people who liked me the way I am and my husband is immensely attracted to me and loves me very very much. The idea that a person MUST BE TOLD “for their own good” that they are unloveable or unattractive says far more about the shitty person SAYING such things, then the person they are treating like shit. 🙁
Ohohoh. Yes. My summoning charm worked.
Now if only I could summon someone who is interesting and makes good points. Hmm.
@Flora – Obesity is correlated with certain health problems. The question of whether it directly causes any of those diseases is unanswered, particularly given, as dualityheart pointed out, thin people get all the same diseases and suffer the same conditions, though sometimes at different rates. Even the best medical researchers understand this.
Oh please, all you people who think it’s alright to police people’s body types, for their own good and the good of the children- you’re idiots. Period. All the sound arguments for your idiocy have been made, they’re out there- now toddle off and feel like an idiot. You know why you are idiots? People have been telling you fat shaming is bad and these diseases are not a direct result of being overweight for years, and you are still repeating the same crap because it’s ok to make fat people feel bad in our society. That and you think it looks icky. And we’ve got kids who are scared into annorexia because of all this fucking fat shaming and you have the nerve to say an overweight anchor woman sets a bad example. Actually, let me level up here- you’re fucking idiots.
Thanks David! I’m really happy you posted this. The reddit thread was full of hateful comment about this women. I feel that it reddit really has a problem here and something needs to happen because comments like this should be unacceptable.
Colour me shocked that some guy doesn’t realize the blog title is a pun.
Nepenthe and Flora, leaving aside for the moment how strongly correlated fat is to any particular health problems, surely you don’t believe that the popular discourse about the health risks of fat has been at all honest? Because if it was, there wouldn’t be near-universal belief in the idea that thinner = healthier, or that losing weight is always a good idea, or that shaming and bullying people into feeling bad about their bodies is anything like a good way to make them healthier.
Not to mention the fact that other people’s health is really nobody’s fucking business.
Clearly her weight makes her totally unsuitable to be on TV. That’s why she never got hired to appear on TV in the first place. Oh wait…
Oh, but if you’re thin it’s “eat a sandwich honey, don’t you want a sandwich?.” And if you’re medium-sized and not eating a fuckton of food, “you don’t need to diet you know – is that all you’re having?” and if you’re a vegetarian, “how do you get your protein? you eat fish don’t you? fish is so healthy! I worry that you don’t get enough protein” It never stops. Ask me how I know this.
Body policing anyone of any size is wrong- FULL STOP. 🙁
Dualityheart, yep. And while I’m sure it happens to some men, it doesn’t among my family (and certain friends). It’s only the women who get the comments. It’s nearly always the women wanting me to eat less and the men wanting me to eat more, sometimes at the same meal.
Because we only exist to look pretty for you. Obviously.
What always strikes me as weird is when my mum constantly asks if I want a piece of cake or something … I’m cutting back on sweets and fatty stuff because I’ve been diagnosed with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and I simply need to manage it through diet. I’m also at high risk of Type 2 diabetes (which Mum has), and that makes the whole ‘eat more cake’ thing even more weird.
I don’t even like cake that much! 😀
Maybe she’s asking because she can’t have cake any more, so either she doesn’t want you to feel like that means you can’t have cake around her, or she wants to live vicariously by watching you eat the cake.
I get body police/thin shamed (Wrath sent me some hate male with some of that in it). I know it’s not as bad (and a whole lot less pervasive), but there is a lot of backhanded fat-shaming in that too.
I get, “Oh your so lucky you never gain weight”, etc.
Cassandra – no, Mum eats butter sponge cake and chocolate Bavarians all the time! About the only thing she gave up because of her diabetes was Black Forest cake and putting sugar (rather than sweeteners) in her tea.
Huh. Does she try to get you to eat more in general, or is it just cake? Maybe it’s like my auntie, who always tries to feed me all of these old fashioned chocolate biscuits even though I don’t like them, and she doesn’t either really, she just has it in her head that that’s what you do when guest show up, bring out the biscuit tin.
No, she doesn’t do that, thank goodness. It might be something similar to your auntie, though, in the sense of “I shouldn’t eat without offering something to X as well.”
It’s a modern phenomena…health as a virture.
And this, the Australian academic Deborah Lupton in her book “The Imperative of Health” argues:
“In this secular age, focusing upon one’s diet and other lifestyle choices has become an alternative to prayer and righteous living in providing a means of making sense of life and death. ‘Healthiness’ has replaced ‘Godliness’ as a yardstick of accomplishment and proper living. Public health and health promotion, then, may be viewed as contributing to the moral regulation of society, focusing as they do upon ethical and moral practices of the self.”
And Mark Twain said in his autobiography:
“There are people who strictly deprive themselves of each and every eatable, drinkable and smokeable which has in any way acquired a shady reputation. They pay this price for health. And health is all they get out of it. How strange it is. It is like paying out your whole fortune for a cow that has gone dry.”
It was Mark Twain, of course, who also urged us to be careful when reading health books. “You might”, he warned “die of a misprint.”
David Seedhouse, Director of the National Centre for Health and Social Ethics in New Zealand has noted:
” … in pluralistic societies any claim to know objectively the constituents of a worthwhile life must at the very least be treated with caution.”
A big THIS to the Seedhouse quote. It applies in so many ways.
@The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help- I had non-alcoholic fatty liver for awhile. Eating low glycemic index foods and increasing my cardiovascular activity (bicycling and walking) cleared it right up. And I didn’t even lose any weight! I just got healthier and all my health markers normalized. I had high blood pressure for awhile, but when I stopped taking hormonal birth control, it went away immediately without me losing a pound. Sadly, the doctor had been telling me to lose weight for months to “lower blood pressure” and the real culprit was the hormonal BC. I really wish that I had not suffered through months of nosebleeds and racing heartbeat at night afraid to go to the doctor because of the weight shaming. 🙁
That is so OFF about a doctor (or anyone, but especially a health professional) doing that to you, dualityheart.
[Don’t know if this needs a trigger warning – I’m not talking about ‘going on a diet’ but do mention having lost weight as a by-product of changing what I eat.]
I do a bit of walking morning and afternoon as part of my five-hour daily commute, and I’ve added salady stuff to the diet which I didn’t really bother about before. Cutting out things like prepackaged meals was the real trick for me. I don’t know if it’s made much difference to the liver; we’ll see about that when I get another blood test done, I guess. I certainly feel better than I did when I went to the doctor about this back in April. I was tired and flat too much of the time, and now I’m much better (though coming back to work after a week off is dire, lol). Much to my surprise I have lost a few kilos along the way, and a bit off the waist. If it means some of my skirts don’t pinch around the waist, I’ll take that as a prize. The rest of me can stay as it is! 🙂
Yeah, overweight seems to be THE topic in which scientists (in the form of doctors) throw out the whole “correlation is not causation thing”.
You can be fat and have diabetes and heart disease, and you can be skinny and have diabetes and heart disease. You can be fat and not have any particular health problems.
It might be that the same things can contribute to someone becoming obese and developing diabetes and heart disease, but it doesn’t seem to be that obesity CAUSES all the other problems.
Although, I do have to say that I’m uncomfortable with the fat acceptance movement. They seem to get very aggressive against people who don’t want to be fat. I know that a lot of fat acceptance folks have faced a lot of bullshit fat-shaming and asshole behaviour, but I still don’t like the aggressiveness.
Honestly, I’d be happy if doctors would just use empirical evidence before prescribing a treatment. I mean, if I have a sore throat, they’re going to test me for strep before pulling out the antibiotics. Why should it be any different if I have other issues with my body? It seems to me that by looking someone up and down and then prescribing things based on what a person looks like is BAD SCIENCE and is more likely to lead to bad shit happening anyway. And “weight loss” as a prescription for health is about as bad as prescribing placebo pills because most weight loss attempts (I’ve had doctors push Atkins and Weight Watchers at me before despite the fact that neither diet/program has empirically been shown to be healthy or effective in the long term) will fail, and create a weight-cycling phenomenon that is metabolically unhealthy for your in the long term.
It’s like being told that since I have a cough, I just need some leeches applied and it will clear right up. If the cough goes away on its own, the doctor says the leeches are the reason. If it doesn’t, I just need MORE LEECHES, right?
Seems medieval to me.
I’m more of a HAES person- if you don’t want to be fat, that’s fine- you are the boss of your underpants. Even if *I* think that gastric bypass and other weight loss methods are bullshit for me, you are within your rights to try them yourself. But I do understand that there’s a lot of fat people who come into the fat acceptance movement and then try to start up with the weight shaming and body policing and fat hate and stuff and that’s just not ok, even if they are also fat people.
I’ve decided that, personally, even *IF* being fat takes years off my life, I’d much rather have the lifestyle I have now and die a bit earlier then be miserable and do things like starve myself, or take dangerous drugs, or have bits of my body surgically removed simply to be a smaller size. I’m still going to do things that make me feel joy and pleasure. I’m still going to move my body in ways that bring me joy. And I’m still going to say that every BODY has a right to have space in our society- and it is messed up to try and shame anyone out of feeling that they have a right to inhabit public space because of how they look.