By now you may have seen the pointed on-air response that Jennifer Livingston, a news anchor for WKTB in La Crosse Wisconsin, gave to a viewer who suggested that someone as fat as she is should not really be on TV, lest young girls get the idea that it’s ok to be fat.
Here’s the video. Some thoughts on it below.
Let’s go back, for a moment, to what the guy said in his email. (You can find a transcript of the whole video here.)
Hi Jennifer,
It’s unusual that I see your morning show, but I did so for a very short time today. I was surprised indeed to witness that your physical condition hasn’t improved for many years. Surely you don’t consider yourself a suitable example for this community’s young people, girls in particular. Obesity is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain. I leave you this note hoping that you’ll reconsider your responsibility as a local public personality to present and promote a healthy lifestyle.
While couched as helpful advice from a concerned citizen, the email basically suggests that Jennifer is, in essence, committing a crime against young girls by being fat in public. While Livingston, as a TV anchor, presumably “assaults” thousands of young girls by appearing on TV fat, the letter writer’s logic would presumably apply to every fat woman who posts pictures of herself online, appears in a play, or even just goes outside where others can see her.
Indeed, one woman I know has gotten similar, er, complaints, from people who’ve attacked her for “celebrating obesity” by posting pictures of herself on her blog looking something other than miserable and ashamed of her body.
In addition to the fact that Livingston’s weight is none of this guy’s fucking business, it should also be noted that the he’s simply incorrect in assuming that a person’s weight has much to do with the healthiness of their lifestyle. There are plenty of skinny people living less than healthy lives, including many in the public eye. (Has he ever heard of eating disorders? Or Keith Richard?) And fatness in itself is not a sign of an unhealthy lifestyle, nor does it generally add to health risks. Indeed, as author and fat blogger Kate Harding has noted:
Weight itself is not a health problem, except in the most extreme cases (i.e., being underweight or so fat you’re immobilized). In fact, fat people live longer than thin people and are more likely to survive cardiac events … obesity research is turning up surprising information all the time — much of which goes ignored by the media … Just because you’ve heard over and over and over that fat! kills! doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means that people in this culture really love saying it.
What you eat makes a difference to your health – not how much, or how many of the calories go directly to your waistline.
Meanwhile even those who actually want to lose a lot of weight don’t have many practical options besides gastric surgery, which carries its own health risks. Diets tend to be a mixture of quackery and false hope. They can be unhealthy and even dangerous – and the overwhelming majority of dieters eventually gain back what they lose. For most people, short of gastric surgery, the only way to lose a lot of weight and keep it off is to remain on a diet forever.
But the issue here isn’t really health. It’s body policing. As Livingston herself noted, fat people know that they’re fat. They don’t need it pointed out to them, even if the person pointing it out convinces themselves that they’re doing it for the fat person’s good. And frankly, most of those pointing it out don’t have good intentions. (It’s no coincidence that the favorite insult of the MRAs and other misogynists who hate this blog is to call me fat; I expect some will use this post an excuse for another round of fat-shaming.)
As Livingston noted in her reply to the letter-writer:
The truth is, I am overweight. You could call me fat and yes, even obese, on a doctor’s chart. But to the person who wrote me that letter, do you think I don’t know that? That your cruel words are pointing out something that I don’t see? You don’t know me. You are not a friend of mine. You are not a part of my family and you have admitted that you don’t watch this show so you know nothing about me but what you see on the outside and I am much more than a number on a scale.
And here is where I want all of us to learn something from this. If you didn’t already know, October is National Anti-Bullying Month, and this is a problem that is growing every day in our schools and on the internet. It is a major issue in the lives of young people today and as the mother of three young girls it scares me to death. Now I am a grown women and luckily for me I have a very thick skin, literally, as that email pointed out, and otherwise. And that man’s words mean nothing to me. But what really angers me is there are children who don’t know better. Who get emails, as critical as the one I received or in many cases even worse, each and every day. The internet has become a weapon. Our schools have become a battleground. And this behaviour is learned. It is passed down from people like the man who wrote me that email.
Since Livingston’s video went viral, the letter writer has come forward to double-down on his fat-shaming, saying in a statement that he hopes “she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year.”
I’m not quite sure why the letter writer thinks it’s Livingston’s job to “transform … herself” to meet his desired specifications. But I doubt there’s any point to arguing that with him unless he can first transform himself into something other than the real-world version of an internet “concern troll.”
After reading all this, I thought I’d take a look at MGTOWforums.com – where the regulars are not exactly shy about expressing their opinions about the appearance of women — to see if the regulars had responded with their customary compassion and respect. By which I mean self-righteousness and fat jokes. I was not disappointed.
Bubbagumpshrimp, while himself fat, decided it was perfectly fair to attack the weight of a fat women who – gasp! – puts herself on TV.
The writer stated the truth without resorting to being mean about it. He didn’t call her fat or anything mean. He just referred to her as what she obviously is…obese. This coming from someone that’s a good sized guy. You can’t go into a career that has you on camera, be her size, and be shocked when people call you on it. You VOLUNTARILY put yourself out there to be judged. If you don’t want to be picked apart on your weight, go be an IT person or something.
The problem in this country is that obese people are viewed as victims of a medical condition. The reality of it is that they are in a self-induced state. They have no one to blame but themselves. Putting someone like that out there to be a whiner when it’s obvious that she partakes in the all you can eat buffet line makes her exactly what the writer said…not a good role model for children.
Stewie displayed his rapier wit:
You shouldn’t be reporting on climate changes when you are so fat you are causing them.
Simple conflict of interest.
I don’t think she should be allowed to talk about earth quakes or talk shit about the gravitational pull of the moon either.
You know, because she’s FAT. (The climate and weather references are there because the MGTOWforum regulars seem to think she’s a weather person.)
DruidV, meanwhile, waxed indignant that a woman who doesn’t appeal to his boner is even allowed on TV:
This kind of shit is exactly why I killed my TV years ago.
Look, bitch, you’re FAT!
Listen, bitch, it’s perfectly a okay for anyone to tell you so publicly or otherwise. You don’t have the right to not be offended.
Let me say it again, bitch, YOU ARE FAT! and also very ugly, so I guess what you really are is FUGLY, bitch!
No, it’s NOT to be celebrated either, you nasty slob! It’s disgusting and pathetic. You should at least be ashamed of yourself, since laying off the buffet and hitting the gym is apparently out of the question, but then you are also female, which means you can’t even shut up about yourself long enough to see what a laughing stock you are. Three strikes and you are out, Bertha.
That said, couldn’t we pony up some $$$ to get this hideous broad (pun intended) replaced by a hot bikini blonde weather slut? It’s bad enough to have to watch our shitty weather play out, but do we really have to look at an indignant fat pig telling us how great and special she and her husband thinks she is at the same time?
Blah!
Blah indeed — because the letter writer’s missive to Livingston was really only a more politely worded, passive-aggressive version of this sort of hateful shit.
Weight-loss surgery is a helpful tool for people who are having health complications with their excess weight. Without the other helth complications it is questionable if the risk is worth it.
Not sure about the “no published studies” thing. I will have to dig again, but when I did my research there seemed to be a plethora of them. A number on complication rates and efficacy of various types.
When I first saw the image of that anchor on the video, I thought she was gorgeous.
But I didn’t write her a letter or post my opinion in the comments section, because it’s none of my business. She doesn’t care what I think of her, nor should she.
It’s amazingly arrogant to tell people what you think of their appearance unsolicited, it’s assuming you are the holder of some great universal truth and you have the ability to bestow it. That dude really needs to get over himself and his precious view of health and beauty.
NB: when I say “you” I mean “people”. 🙂
Because being a competent news anchor means nothing unless you are pleasing to the penises of the masses. Some days I really do fucking hate the society I live in almost as much as I hate myself…
Board Stick, how is it that you’re not on permanent moderation already?
Thanks for another example of concern trolling.
do whut now?
Link or it didn’t happen. Also:
Ewwww. What is your point, jay?
No, don’t, schticky, we will miss you calling people crazy and rationalizing fat shaming. So, so much. So. Much.
Turley, there’ll be another one.
Some Dumb Guy Who is Bored With Your Schtick,
at last you can make your points stick
on your very own blog!
It’ll be a hard slog –
can you write when you’ve just got one trick?
Tulgey, sorry!
Okay, I do obesity research and this is a dramatic oversimplification. Obesity does carry a lot of important health risks: heart disease, diabetes, stroke, cancer, etc. etc. etc. Yes, you are more likely to survive a heart attack if you are obese, but that’s likely due to the extra reserves you have to be able to survive a hospital stay and the fact that as you age, the people who are skinnier tend to be more frail than they are healthy.
Fat tissue does produce a lot of nasty things that are really bad for your body. Nobody knows exactly why it does this when people are overweight, but it does.
Of course, all that being said, clearly this is between an individual and their health care provider. Being angry that women exist while fat is the new “you should smile, you’d be so much prettier.”
@Kim
Oh, that is a good point, I see what you’re getting at. I was coming at it from the angle that you still don’t get to be a jackass under cover of “informing someone of a problem.”
That, no matter how good the information is, there’s socially acceptable times and places to deliver that information.
(and yeah, I know you’re using the general “you.” It’s all good)
Some guy kept waving his schtick
around, hot, heavy, and thick.
He was impressed
at his very best,
which to us was just a wee prick.
I really like how she called Mr. Concern Troll’s bullshit out for what it is – bullying. Who really cares if strangers are fat? Big deal! Mr. Concern Troll has the option to look away, or better yet, change the channel. Really, just because a thought occurs to him doesn’t mean he has to tell anyone. Didn’t this guy learn the basic adage that “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”?
Honestly, people need to keep that shit to themselves. Nobody’s interested in what a judgmental asshole has to say.
@opium4themasses I’m sorry you had to go through that. 🙁
I hate the way fat people are treated. i’m conventionally attractive but my mother is fat and so is her best friend and also my best girl friend. when people trash talk to me about how fat people are lazy or eat too much or this or that, i fucking rip them a new one. it’s like, who fucking thinks that’s okay? (rhetorical question, obviously i know who, they won’t shut up about it until i tear them apart. though it rarely happens anymore.) and it’s so hard because there’s so much internalized self-loathing in some of the fat people i know, they don’t love the way they look because they’ve been told they can’t. it breaks my heart.
also, WHO THE FUCK CARES about what other people are doing or eating with their own fucking bodies??? Even if they want to be fat and worked hard at it, way to go for living their dream if that is their dream!!!!
sorry it’s just like really rage inducing for me. my mother is killing herself to lose weight and i worry about her heart and her health now that she’s eating like 1200 calories a day. 🙁
@inu LOOK WHAT YOU DID.
Flora, are you saying that the FA movement and allies have dramatically understated or outright denied the health risks of obesity? I’m shocked. Just shocked. All this time I thought that scientists just hated fat people.
Some guy bored indeed
We grow annoyed with you now
Please leave us be soon.
Gah. I feel like doing a WTF comment about this, but I’d just end up sounding like Ruby doing a stating-the-bleedin’-obvious.
Your experiment was a success!
OK, NWOslave, but why does the UN want to kill off billions of people?
One of the best parts about being fat is that it is one of the best asshoke detectors ever. Never have I dated a guy only to find that he will dump me if I gain a pound or two. Never have I invested large quantities of time in friendships with people who think it is fun and dandy to ridicule fat people.
Oh, and I have large scars on my arm from a terrible accident as a teen. I was told by my fatphobic mom that I would have to settle for whatever I could get because of my weight ( I was never fat until after all the starvation dieting kicked my PCOS into overdrive) and the scars. My mom is a fucking asshole. Thank goodness that I put as much distance between her and I as possible.
Plus fuck all the health trolling on fat people. There are literally NO diseases that fat people ONLY get. Thin people get type two diabetes. Thin people get heart disease. Etc. and many of these health issues are completely treatable with lifestyle changes and meds even without weight loss. Weight gain is even a symptom for many of the so called “obesity related diseases.”
Plus, I don’t see thin people living forever.
Congrats, you don’t want to fuck me. Bored now. Want to go hang out with non abusive fuckwads.
Where is Ruby? Surely by now she should have stopped by with some piece of bigotry and outright ignorance to drop at our doorstep and run.
Its like she never got over nicky nine doors as a kid.
That’s so horrible, dualityheart. 🙁 Would your mum’s head explode if she saw the wonderful Amanda Redman’s wedding photo ?
@ dualityheart:
I agree that being fat really helps to screen out the shallow ones, which is awesome because I really loathe shallow people and wish they would all be devoured by a black hole.