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The Men’s Rights blogger behind The Black Pill – formerly known as Omega Virgin Revolt – has made it his life’s mission to bring down the Pickup Artist movement, or at least the part of it that overlaps with the Men’s Rights movement online. Not because “Roissysphere gamers” are misogynist assholes who preach a mixture of manipulation and date-rapery to their readers. But because, in his estimation, these guys are promoting a “Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD)” that convinces poor oppressed men that they can solve their problems by manipulating drunk hotties into sleeping with them – thus distracting them from the much more important goal of destroying feminism.
No, really.
The MDAD is especially insidious because it turns self described anti-feminists into feminists without those anti-feminists being concious of the process. …
I am declaring complete and total war against the MDAD. My goal is nothing less than COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of the MDAD so that whenever feminism is being fought in the future any discussion of dating advice is regarded as useless or a feminist trick and ignored. The MDAD is what is blocking the progress of mens rights more than anything else right now.
In his latest attack on the evil MDAD, Mr. Black Pill takes aim at the notion that women should have any influence over dudes who give out dating advice.
One of the ways that feminism controls everything is by making it so that everything needs female approval to be taken seriously. …
Dating advice is also held hostage to female approval. In fact, it is held hostage to female approval to a greater degree than almost anything else. Why is that?
Perhaps because if someone is giving out dating advice, rather than raping advice, to straight dudes, female approval has to be part of the package? If the idea of women offering opinions on dating advice makes your head explode, I’m not sure you understand the concept of consent well enough to be dating, much less giving out dating advice to others.
Mr. Pill continues:
Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not. If a dating strategy works, it doesn’t need female approval. Female approval doesn’t make a dating strategy work or work better. It’s completely irrelevant to dating advice. This is why no form of dating advice, including game, can be trusted. All forms of dating advice are currently held hostage to women for the benefit of women. Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.
Yeah, “game” is a giant gift to women. Clearly the women of the world – especially the feminists – should be grateful for the opportunity to have more creepy manipulative dudes hitting on them.
Roissyite gamers are constantly trying to get female approval for game. They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.
Mr. Pill’s evidence for this? That some “Roissyite gamers” have tried to convince the slut-shaming, chart-making dating guru Susan Walsh that “game” is great for women. And that some male gamers are fans of a female game guru by the name of Kezia Noble.
Noble is bad news for men, Mr. Pill explained in a previous post, because dudes should
never ask women for advice about women. No matter what women will give you bad advice about women even if it’s unintentional. I am certain every man reading this has had the experience of their moms giving them bad advice about women. Knowing this gamers should avoid and denounce Kezia Noble but they don’t. They love her proving that gamers are nothing but mangina sycophants. Gamers can’t even hold themselves to their own ideas. If they can’t do that then game doesn’t exist and gamers are nothing but feminist manginas looking for new ways to kiss women’s asses.
Given that someone as allergic to female opinion as Mr. Pill is unlikely to fully understand or appreciate the notion of consent, I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.
Yeah, aren’t you the guy that was thinking up convoluted scenarios where a person would have to get laid by another person or they would literally die last week?
You know exactly how the word ‘chav’ is used. Hiding behind a single definition in order to carry on using words you know full fucking well are used in order to discriminate against other people is disingenuous bullshit, like whiny little misogynists desperately trying to prove that calling a woman a ‘bitch’ isn’t sexist because LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY.
*shrug* It’s a cultural thing in social justice spaces, especially internet ones. One wants to join the space, one deals with the rules. Some people don’t understand the rules and have to have it spelled out for them. Of course, by talking about the rules, I have broken the rules. Oops.
The most amusing example of the rules, I think, that I’ve ever encountered is when I was hospitalized in an psych ward. There were a list of behavioral rules on the wall, including two words that one was absolutely never supposed to say. (And they weren’t obvious words, like “fuck”.) Of course, merely having those words visible was unacceptable, so they were blacked out. One simply had to mince around, waiting to saying those magic words that they wouldn’t tell you and be excoriated for it.
JFC Nepenthe, all I said was ‘can we not use it?’. Inurashii apologised, it was done. Then Sgt Grumbles decided to play the troll ‘GOTCHA, IT IS IN FACT YOU WHO IS THE [X]IST’ card, (just me or have we been seeing a lot of that recently?) so I explained further.
But yeah that’s totally me being hysterical and pillorying people for perceived slights.
No, it’s Sgt Grumbles breaking rule 3, see above. Inurashii followed the rules, you followed the rules, everything was going well, then he failed at following the rules. Apparently he doesn’t know the rules, so perhaps he needed them spelled out.
I missed something. Who’s about to ban you?
I never said anyone would “literally” die. That’s just fucking stupid. But I certainly regret opening that can of worms.
Falconer:
I tried to engage on The Black Pill in good faith. Unless the OP shows up and actually wants to talk, I don’t think it’s gonna happen.
There we are. Sorry for the confusion.
…What were the words??
>and also they smell weird, no matter how clean they are. I am a confirmed cat person.
Get a dog with actual hair instead of fur and massage some almond-oil into their fur once in a while. Friends of mine used to do that for over two decades and three dogs now, and their dogs always smell fucking delicious.
Alternately, live with someone who is highly affectionate with dogs and wears a lot of expensive scent.
My aunt’s dog permanently smells of whatever perfume she uses. Apart from being kinda stupid and permanently worried about something, he’s a normal dog.
This guy sounds like one of those troubling but fascinating dudes who is trying to get his left-over schoolyard “No Girls Allowed” mentality and his want for sex/a girlfriend to coexist in his head and failing miserably. I kind of get the impression that deep down, he’s so contemptuous of women that he’d rather they not exist at all. What a sad, screwed up twit.
That might actually work on me since it made me laugh and increased my pleasant feelings towards the person who said it.
@Poster
I have been successful with a similar on-purpose-awkward proposition to a friend, but I strongly suspect that it relies on the knowledge that the person is being silly…
@katz
*looks around furtively and whispers* “Fat” and “cut”. A nutritionist came in and talked about the “three macronutrients”, which include *whisper*fat and I kept waiting for one of the minders (note: not nurses or trained medical professionals of any sort, just assistants to babysit and watch us piss) to come in and put in her in her place. The fact that I capitulated and after a few days of conditioning began to police my fellow inmates’ language is deeply shameful to me.
@Nepenthe
It seems bizarre that you had to work out those words yourself… sounds liek something otu of 20th C. strange literacy literature.
Kezia Noble, Amanda Lyons, and to a much lesser extent Clarisse Thorn have the issue that they know and like PUA Alphas and have plenty of good advice for them. Their advice is much less applicable to the situation of the average PUA-wannabee, or the average man. Not like you care, but a relevant point.
I apologise for the chav remark.
On a completely different subject, could anyone perhaps recommend me some good feminist blogs to read?
A lot of the main stream ones (ie. Jezebel etc.) aren’t much good but their virtue is that they post lots of stuff.
So any bigger blogs that post a fair amount but that are better than Jezebel would be great.
I’m still very new to the Femosphere (heh) so anything to expand my reading would be really helpful.
On dogs smelling since I like that discussion best:
My boxer mix kind of smells like corn chips. It’s weird but kind of awesome. She does require a lot of attention and lordy lord a lot of work (she’s not always keen on new people or new dogs) but she is the loviest of a the lovey animals. She is a dog who likes to spoon people and it’s basically the cutest thing ever.
I like cats, and always wanted one as a kid, but my other pup pretty much wants to eat anything that moves that isn’t a dog or human. Cars, chickens, squirrels, cats, bikes yeah, he’d hunt them all down if he had his way. When he dreams and we can see his paws twitch and he sleep woofles, I figure he’s taking down dream SUVs and feeling all proud and awesome about it. Incidentally, he is super bossy, but doesn’t smell at all. He’s a viszla mix, and I guess it’s kinda common for viszlas to not shed much or smell much.
@Historophilia
I know that the Pervocracy has good information, clear writing, and is also highly entertaining. And they update reasonably regularly.
Also, the blog’s owner is part of the commentariat.
@Creative
Yup, I read the Pervocracy from time to time and it’s great.
@Historophilia
Have you read The F-Word? It’s not just discussions and analysis of feminist issues, there’s also things like music, theatre and art reviews and stuff. It’s based in the UK mainly and is a collaborative magazine (full disclosure: I’ve written for them and been featured as one of their guest bloggers – but I wouldn’t have done it if I didn’t like them!). My friends (who are all based in the UK) Stavvers, Boudledige, Marina S and Sian and Crooked Rib all also have blogs that are updated fairly regularly, and in the USA, Shakesville and Tiger Beatdown are also good (particularly s e smith and Flavia Dzodan’s articles, they both write very well on their particular subjects.
If there’s any subjects you’re especially interested in, I can probably recommend more if I know what you like.
I’m seriously starting to consider if this is one of the weirdest conversations i’ve seen so far here. O.O
It’s the combo of people talking about their favourite dog smell, and CWS’ vending machine flap thing that sounded.. yeah.