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Should dating advice be a boys-only club? One self-described Omega Virgin says “yes.”

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The Men’s Rights blogger behind The Black Pill – formerly known as Omega Virgin Revolt – has made it his life’s mission to bring down the Pickup Artist movement, or at least the part of it that overlaps with the Men’s Rights movement online. Not because “Roissysphere gamers” are misogynist assholes who preach a mixture of manipulation and date-rapery to their readers. But because, in his estimation, these guys are promoting a “Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD)” that convinces poor oppressed men that they can solve their problems by manipulating drunk hotties into sleeping with them – thus distracting them from the much more important goal of destroying feminism.

No, really.

The MDAD is especially insidious because it turns self described anti-feminists into feminists without those anti-feminists being concious of the process.  …

I am declaring complete and total war against the MDAD.  My goal is nothing less than COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of the MDAD so that whenever feminism is being fought in the future any discussion of dating advice is regarded as useless or a feminist trick and ignored.  The MDAD is what is blocking the progress of mens rights more than anything else right now. 

In his latest attack on the evil MDAD, Mr. Black Pill takes aim at the notion that women should have any influence over dudes who give out dating advice.

One of the ways that feminism controls everything is by making it so that everything needs female approval to be taken seriously. …

Dating advice is also held hostage to female approval.  In fact, it is held hostage to female approval to a greater degree than almost anything else.  Why is that? 

Perhaps because if someone is giving out dating advice, rather than raping advice, to straight dudes, female approval has to be part of the package? If the idea of women offering opinions on dating advice makes your head explode, I’m not sure you understand the concept of consent well enough to be dating, much less giving out dating advice to others.

Mr. Pill continues:

Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not.  If a dating strategy works, it doesn’t need female approval.  Female approval doesn’t make a dating strategy work or work better.  It’s completely irrelevant to dating advice.  This is why no form of dating advice, including game, can be trusted.  All forms of dating advice are currently held hostage to women for the benefit of women.  Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.

Yeah, “game” is a giant gift to women. Clearly the women of the world – especially the feminists – should be grateful for the opportunity to have more creepy manipulative dudes hitting on them.

Roissyite gamers are constantly trying to get female approval for game.  They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.

Mr. Pill’s evidence for this? That some “Roissyite gamers” have tried to convince the slut-shaming, chart-making dating guru Susan Walsh that “game” is great for women. And that some male gamers are fans of a female game guru by the name of Kezia Noble.

Noble is bad news for men, Mr. Pill explained in a previous post, because dudes should

never ask women for advice about women.  No matter what women will give you bad advice about women even if it’s unintentional.  I am certain every man reading this has had the experience of their moms giving them bad advice about women.  Knowing this gamers should avoid and denounce Kezia Noble but they don’t.  They love her proving that gamers are nothing but mangina sycophants.  Gamers can’t even hold themselves to their own ideas.  If they can’t do that then game doesn’t exist and gamers are nothing but feminist manginas looking for new ways to kiss women’s asses.

Given that someone as allergic to female opinion as Mr. Pill is unlikely to fully understand or appreciate the notion of consent, I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.

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themisanthropicmuse
8 years ago

“I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.” Me too. Let the stupidity gene he was cursed with die with him.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.

Maybe I’m being naive here, but surely dating techniques work by getting a woman’s approval, therefore any dating technique would rely entirely on female approval.

I’m assuming that ‘rape’ is not a ‘dating technique’ here, regardless of what Roissy says.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Mr. Pill and the other dude who knows women’s reality should go bowling.

Does he have any strategy besides “drag woman off on date against her will at gunpoint” that DOESN’T require at least some approval from a woman?

Milk
Milk
8 years ago

This article built me up with its talk of dismantling the PUA scene, and then knocked me right back down with the explanation that it puts too high a value on female input/approval and thus promotes feminism. WAT.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, and as a female, I don’t approve of this asshole.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

@themisanthropicmuse

Don’t MRAs reproduce asexually by budding, like this?

Naira
Naira
8 years ago

Maybe I’m being naive here, but surely dating techniques work by getting a woman’s approval, therefore any dating technique would rely entirely on female approval.

But… But… SCIENCE!

If you objectively study every aspect of dating and control for for variables, you can come up with a system that is FOOLPROOF! Approval wouldn’t be required, because so long as you enact the right formula of utterances, actions, and demeanor, you are guaranteed success!

I mean, once you’ve got that, it doesn’t matter what kind of “individuality” she has. It is secondary (or even tertiary) to the primary factors you’ve already accounted for and so shouldn’t skew your results too far.

Wait…why does this sound like The Game, but with test tubes and serious men studying charts with their brows furrowed?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

If the idea of women offering opinions on dating advice makes your head explode, I’m not sure you understand the concept of consent well enough to be dating, much less giving out dating advice to others.

I’m not sure that he understands what the word “dating” means either, since he thinks that “better dates” are something that a man can “get” without any women having to approve of anything.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

@CassandraSays
Clearly these are what he’s talking about. See, no need to get no damned woman’s approval to get better dates!

Nada
Nada
8 years ago

This is what happens when boys watch Weird Science around puberty. By the way they talk, you’d assume everything else is down to a science — war, disease, drug addiction — and ladies are the last hold-outs.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.

Oh! The humanatee!
There must be a scientific method of getting more and better dates for men without benefit to women. There must be a way! Game is misandrist, but getting rid of Game would benefit women and that would be misandrist Ayiiiieeee!

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

@thebewilderness

Every man who thinks like that magically turns gay. More dates, no women involved in the process at all.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Wait a second, since he is saying female approval is irrelevant, is he only talking about gay men dating each other?

Because otherwise how can you effectively do this:

Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not.

if you have no idea it works because you are never getting female approval so never can test your hypothesis.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Hey, he mentioned NSWATM! :3 I feel so famous.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

No, no, no, see, women lie about who they want to date for Mysterious Ladybrainz Reasons, so instead of listening to what women say they want you should see whom they date.

Also it’s totally okay to rape and abuse people even though silly feminists disapprove of it, because you get RESULTS from it.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

Is it weird that I’ve just decided to do away with dating and romantic/sexual relationships for the moment? Not because of any MGTOW reasoning but because I’ve legitimately been able to admit to myself that I don’t understand other people well enough to forge that kind of commitment. Aspie stuff and whatnot, whenever I bring it up people get worried that I’m just being pessimistic about it, but no, I really don’t think I could do a relationship at this point in my life, I get to the “friends” stage, and then literally have no idea where to go from there.

cloudiah
8 years ago

@aworldanonymous, That isn’t weird at all. You are your own person and you get to make decisions about things like that, even if other people don’t understand or agree. Especially when you’re getting used to a very new environment, etc. Hope you’re feeling better, by the way!

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Aworld, that sounds like a really good and healthy decision, and I’m proud of you for making it. 🙂 It’s way better and more mature to decide you don’t want a relationship right now than to force yourself into a relationship that you won’t be happy in. When– or if, there’s nothing wrong with being single forever if it makes you happy– you want a romantic or sexual relationship, I hope you can find one that makes you happy.

Constance
Constance
8 years ago

Back when I was young and (thought I was) straight, I was always “researching” the male POV, devouring Esquire, Playboyand Cosmo in equal measure. I assumed understanding men would help me form better and more permanent relationships with them. I actually got quite good at it, but I got tired of putting on drag (literally and metaphorically).

However, I’ll admit I’m still fascinated by how these MRAs and PUAs think, particularly what motivates their behavior. It all boils down to, WTF do these guys WANT? The cultural anthopologist in me wants to know!

I assume they are motivated by the universal drives for love and intimacy, sexual expression, and status, but their fear of rejection makes them turn on the very objects that coiuld satisfy those needs. They are deformed by the crucible of these competing impulses…

Anyway, the LAST thing they want is advice from women. Roosh V has blocked me, apparently for suggesting that the sexual act could and should be more pleasurable and joyful than his anecdotes describe… But hey, I was just trying to help!

heidihi
heidihi
8 years ago

Aworld, no, it’s not weird 🙂 You gotta do what is best for you plus what you consider best all around for humanity and the world around you.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Aworld, there is nothing weird or wrong about taking a break from dating. It can happen for all kinds of reasons, including stress, a need to focus on other areas of your life, a desire to take time to figure out what kind of person you want and how to attract them or recuperating from a breakup. I took several years off from dating at all, in part because I’m an extreme introvert, in part because I had a young daughter to support and in prt because I needed time to consider what I liked best in my dates and what traits I thought would work best for a stable relationship.

I’ve heard that being an aspie sometimes presents presents difficulties in finding dates, but I also think that when you meet up with the right person some of those difficulties will be smoothed out. Don’t let it get you down.

And eat lots of curry! It will help you fight that nasty flubug you seem to have caught.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Actually if we’re recommending flu-fighting foods my votes are for pho and hot and sour soup.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

I think it was just a particularily nasty cold I’ve been having, I am getting better, feels like it’ll take a couple more days though, and then for like six weeks after that I’ll be stuck with a dry cough just out of habit.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

@aworld

A close family member of mine didn’t date until graduating from medical school, in a very literal, never-been-kissed sense. She always had a lot of close male and female friends, had a great social life, traveled and moved without having to worry about the two-body problem and seemed very happy, She just got married to a great guy at the age of thirty.

It’s not weird and it’s probably a good idea. I certainly wish I had made a similar decision in college.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

Every man who thinks like that magically turns gay. More dates, no women involved in the process at all.

I thought that at first too, but then I though that would totally benefit women, so that can’t be the scientific method he is looking for. Still. if he finds a scientifc method to single handedly utterly destroy PUA Game, I’m not gonna complain.

princessbonbon
8 years ago

I actually had to ask on his blog because I really cannot see the logic of “your dating strategy should never involve the approvement of women.” Unless of course you do not view women as people and this dude certain does not.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

However, with my luck, the flu is on it’s way, only a matter of time.

Kim
Kim
8 years ago

I suspect he’s equating dating to something like dog-training. He wants research into how to train women, as he is sure they can work out the best way. Then, all women will follow his commands willingly and go on dates with him because a) women are all the same and b) they are simple stimulus/response creatures.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

But… you can’t even apply the same techniques to all DOGS.

WordSpinner
WordSpinner
8 years ago

@ Aworld:

Good luck getting better! I have never been sick more often than my first year in the dorms (that was also the year of the swine flu, which I also got). As to dating, there is no reason to start before you feel ready. I’ve recently come to the conclusion that I need to work on my ability to set personal boundaries before getting into a relationship, especially a sexual one, and that unless I fall head-over-heels right now a relationship would be my last priority, behind schoolwork and having my own time, and that isn’t fair to the guy.

Kim
Kim
8 years ago

However, with my luck, the flu is on it’s way, only a matter of time.

Flu vaccinations are a wonderful thing 🙂

Fitzy
8 years ago

@aworldanonymous, I actually did the same thing my junior year of college. I’d just had two really bad relationships in a row (the second one abusive), and I decided that I needed to get my psychological house in order before I started inviting other people to share it with me again. I think it did me a world of good, though I did occasionally get some flack for it.

I think that it’s great that you’re in tune with what you need, and that you’re willing to give yourself the time and space to figure things out.

And if you like sweets, my go to for cold and flu fighting is honey. Lots and lot of honey.

MKlein
MKlein
8 years ago

Hi Aworld, I’m an aspie/autistic too (female) and i’ve also decided to stop looking for romantic partners for a while, mainly just because as I’m approaching it now it’s not working for me and it’s making me too desperate to act safely and rationally. So I’m trusting that things will change eventually if i just work on myself and try to survive college/stress. Good luck!

Kim
Kim
8 years ago

But… you can’t even apply the same techniques to all DOGS.

Well, I didn’t claim he was rational, sensible or well-informed. Even though I am sure he thinks he is the most logical and rational person in the world.

I suspect he has no instinctive grasp of social interaction and, unlike other people without that instinct, his huge sense of entitlement tells him reality needs to conform to his perception, rather than him accepting he has a limitation and working with what he’s got.

drst
drst
8 years ago

aworld – welcome to the college campus, aka “giant petrie dish.” It takes about 10 days into each semester for some bug to come out on top and start making the rounds of the campus. This will happen after every break as well, most likely. I strongly recommend boosting your immune system however you choose (vitamin C, turmeric, garlic, whatever) and employing lots of hand sanitizer!

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Could be worse. My college is infected with strep.

MordsithJ
8 years ago

I see NWO’s now posting his porn collection.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Yo, Slavey, this insight into your sex life is fascinating and all, but it’s really not polite to masturbate in public.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Awh, look at Owly fruitlessly trying to chip away at feminism. Let’s see:

-A book no one read, apparently.
-A book explicitly identified as a humor book
-A book where the following is the very first description:

This book was TERRIBLE. I mean really terrible. The title says it’s about how to train your husband to be the husband you want him to be. It is actually the author’s view on what he wants WIVES to be for their husbands. And even that is pathetically out of touch with couples today.

Yes, Owly, I’m sure this proves that modern women are all just as bad as PUAs and Feminism is the gynocracy arglebargle. Meanwhile Roosh has admitted to being a rapist and Heartiste draws strangely childish pictures of women surrounded by disembodied jizzing penises to express his disgust at promiscuous women.

Just remember to pee outside next time.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

NWO has discovered pictures. I don’t know whether or not this counts as progress.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Yes, NWO, the patriarchy doesn’t have a hella good view of men either.

The Black Pill
8 years ago

Is there a particular reason all of you are being incredibly dishonest about what I said? I know that the answer to that. You are trying to attack me for being a virgin and slander me as a potential rapist because you have no real argument against what I said.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

NWO, if your point was that those books are stupid and sexist, I agree. I JUST AGREED WITH NWOSLAVE. And I’m not sorry.

I see NWO’s now posting his porn collection.

I lol’d.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

Yeah, I dunno, it’s just that now I’m out of the high school environment and there’s no real pressure to seek romantic endeavours, I figure, why bother? If fortune finds me well, and I find someone I want to spend the rest of my life with, then that’s great, but I’m beginning to feel as if living a life of celibacy wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

And I just shot down the big argument of every single evopsych/biotruth troll on the internet without even trying, fuck yeah.

lauralot
lauralot
8 years ago

So I take it NWO’s moved up from handcuffs to leashes. Kinky bastard.

Sarah
8 years ago

Haven’t read anything yet, just wanted to say, THAT PICTURE!!! =3

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

And the collared man he chose looks so happy too. Poor Slavey, unable to ever achieve happiness because he can’t just admit that he wants an evil woman to enslave him with her see-through miniskirt and lead him around on a leash.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

Just to be completely clear I don’t approve of the idea of training men lie they’re fucking animals (because they’re PEOPLE, duh), but the picture with the dude in the collar is a little more interesting than I think it maybe should be…… ;D lol

Also, I always wonder if guys like this don’t think about their positions thoroughly, or if they really actually truly honestly believe that women are Borg.

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