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The Men’s Rights blogger behind The Black Pill – formerly known as Omega Virgin Revolt – has made it his life’s mission to bring down the Pickup Artist movement, or at least the part of it that overlaps with the Men’s Rights movement online. Not because “Roissysphere gamers” are misogynist assholes who preach a mixture of manipulation and date-rapery to their readers. But because, in his estimation, these guys are promoting a “Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD)” that convinces poor oppressed men that they can solve their problems by manipulating drunk hotties into sleeping with them – thus distracting them from the much more important goal of destroying feminism.
No, really.
The MDAD is especially insidious because it turns self described anti-feminists into feminists without those anti-feminists being concious of the process. …
I am declaring complete and total war against the MDAD. My goal is nothing less than COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of the MDAD so that whenever feminism is being fought in the future any discussion of dating advice is regarded as useless or a feminist trick and ignored. The MDAD is what is blocking the progress of mens rights more than anything else right now.
In his latest attack on the evil MDAD, Mr. Black Pill takes aim at the notion that women should have any influence over dudes who give out dating advice.
One of the ways that feminism controls everything is by making it so that everything needs female approval to be taken seriously. …
Dating advice is also held hostage to female approval. In fact, it is held hostage to female approval to a greater degree than almost anything else. Why is that?
Perhaps because if someone is giving out dating advice, rather than raping advice, to straight dudes, female approval has to be part of the package? If the idea of women offering opinions on dating advice makes your head explode, I’m not sure you understand the concept of consent well enough to be dating, much less giving out dating advice to others.
Mr. Pill continues:
Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not. If a dating strategy works, it doesn’t need female approval. Female approval doesn’t make a dating strategy work or work better. It’s completely irrelevant to dating advice. This is why no form of dating advice, including game, can be trusted. All forms of dating advice are currently held hostage to women for the benefit of women. Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.
Yeah, “game” is a giant gift to women. Clearly the women of the world – especially the feminists – should be grateful for the opportunity to have more creepy manipulative dudes hitting on them.
Roissyite gamers are constantly trying to get female approval for game. They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.
Mr. Pill’s evidence for this? That some “Roissyite gamers” have tried to convince the slut-shaming, chart-making dating guru Susan Walsh that “game” is great for women. And that some male gamers are fans of a female game guru by the name of Kezia Noble.
Noble is bad news for men, Mr. Pill explained in a previous post, because dudes should
never ask women for advice about women. No matter what women will give you bad advice about women even if it’s unintentional. I am certain every man reading this has had the experience of their moms giving them bad advice about women. Knowing this gamers should avoid and denounce Kezia Noble but they don’t. They love her proving that gamers are nothing but mangina sycophants. Gamers can’t even hold themselves to their own ideas. If they can’t do that then game doesn’t exist and gamers are nothing but feminist manginas looking for new ways to kiss women’s asses.
Given that someone as allergic to female opinion as Mr. Pill is unlikely to fully understand or appreciate the notion of consent, I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.
“I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.” Me too. Let the stupidity gene he was cursed with die with him.
Maybe I’m being naive here, but surely dating techniques work by getting a woman’s approval, therefore any dating technique would rely entirely on female approval.
I’m assuming that ‘rape’ is not a ‘dating technique’ here, regardless of what Roissy says.
Mr. Pill and the other dude who knows women’s reality should go bowling.
Does he have any strategy besides “drag woman off on date against her will at gunpoint” that DOESN’T require at least some approval from a woman?
This article built me up with its talk of dismantling the PUA scene, and then knocked me right back down with the explanation that it puts too high a value on female input/approval and thus promotes feminism. WAT.
Oh, and as a female, I don’t approve of this asshole.
@themisanthropicmuse
Don’t MRAs reproduce asexually by budding, like this?
But… But… SCIENCE!
If you objectively study every aspect of dating and control for for variables, you can come up with a system that is FOOLPROOF! Approval wouldn’t be required, because so long as you enact the right formula of utterances, actions, and demeanor, you are guaranteed success!
I mean, once you’ve got that, it doesn’t matter what kind of “individuality” she has. It is secondary (or even tertiary) to the primary factors you’ve already accounted for and so shouldn’t skew your results too far.
Wait…why does this sound like The Game, but with test tubes and serious men studying charts with their brows furrowed?
I’m not sure that he understands what the word “dating” means either, since he thinks that “better dates” are something that a man can “get” without any women having to approve of anything.
@CassandraSays
Clearly these are what he’s talking about. See, no need to get no damned woman’s approval to get better dates!
This is what happens when boys watch Weird Science around puberty. By the way they talk, you’d assume everything else is down to a science — war, disease, drug addiction — and ladies are the last hold-outs.
Oh! The humanatee!
There must be a scientific method of getting more and better dates for men without benefit to women. There must be a way! Game is misandrist, but getting rid of Game would benefit women and that would be misandrist Ayiiiieeee!
@thebewilderness
Every man who thinks like that magically turns gay. More dates, no women involved in the process at all.
Wait a second, since he is saying female approval is irrelevant, is he only talking about gay men dating each other?
Because otherwise how can you effectively do this:
if you have no idea it works because you are never getting female approval so never can test your hypothesis.
Hey, he mentioned NSWATM! :3 I feel so famous.
No, no, no, see, women lie about who they want to date for Mysterious Ladybrainz Reasons, so instead of listening to what women say they want you should see whom they date.
Also it’s totally okay to rape and abuse people even though silly feminists disapprove of it, because you get RESULTS from it.
Is it weird that I’ve just decided to do away with dating and romantic/sexual relationships for the moment? Not because of any MGTOW reasoning but because I’ve legitimately been able to admit to myself that I don’t understand other people well enough to forge that kind of commitment. Aspie stuff and whatnot, whenever I bring it up people get worried that I’m just being pessimistic about it, but no, I really don’t think I could do a relationship at this point in my life, I get to the “friends” stage, and then literally have no idea where to go from there.
@aworldanonymous, That isn’t weird at all. You are your own person and you get to make decisions about things like that, even if other people don’t understand or agree. Especially when you’re getting used to a very new environment, etc. Hope you’re feeling better, by the way!
Aworld, that sounds like a really good and healthy decision, and I’m proud of you for making it. 🙂 It’s way better and more mature to decide you don’t want a relationship right now than to force yourself into a relationship that you won’t be happy in. When– or if, there’s nothing wrong with being single forever if it makes you happy– you want a romantic or sexual relationship, I hope you can find one that makes you happy.
Back when I was young and (thought I was) straight, I was always “researching” the male POV, devouring Esquire, Playboyand Cosmo in equal measure. I assumed understanding men would help me form better and more permanent relationships with them. I actually got quite good at it, but I got tired of putting on drag (literally and metaphorically).
However, I’ll admit I’m still fascinated by how these MRAs and PUAs think, particularly what motivates their behavior. It all boils down to, WTF do these guys WANT? The cultural anthopologist in me wants to know!
I assume they are motivated by the universal drives for love and intimacy, sexual expression, and status, but their fear of rejection makes them turn on the very objects that coiuld satisfy those needs. They are deformed by the crucible of these competing impulses…
Anyway, the LAST thing they want is advice from women. Roosh V has blocked me, apparently for suggesting that the sexual act could and should be more pleasurable and joyful than his anecdotes describe… But hey, I was just trying to help!
Aworld, no, it’s not weird 🙂 You gotta do what is best for you plus what you consider best all around for humanity and the world around you.
Aworld, there is nothing weird or wrong about taking a break from dating. It can happen for all kinds of reasons, including stress, a need to focus on other areas of your life, a desire to take time to figure out what kind of person you want and how to attract them or recuperating from a breakup. I took several years off from dating at all, in part because I’m an extreme introvert, in part because I had a young daughter to support and in prt because I needed time to consider what I liked best in my dates and what traits I thought would work best for a stable relationship.
I’ve heard that being an aspie sometimes presents presents difficulties in finding dates, but I also think that when you meet up with the right person some of those difficulties will be smoothed out. Don’t let it get you down.
And eat lots of curry! It will help you fight that nasty flubug you seem to have caught.
Actually if we’re recommending flu-fighting foods my votes are for pho and hot and sour soup.
I think it was just a particularily nasty cold I’ve been having, I am getting better, feels like it’ll take a couple more days though, and then for like six weeks after that I’ll be stuck with a dry cough just out of habit.
@aworld
A close family member of mine didn’t date until graduating from medical school, in a very literal, never-been-kissed sense. She always had a lot of close male and female friends, had a great social life, traveled and moved without having to worry about the two-body problem and seemed very happy, She just got married to a great guy at the age of thirty.
It’s not weird and it’s probably a good idea. I certainly wish I had made a similar decision in college.
I thought that at first too, but then I though that would totally benefit women, so that can’t be the scientific method he is looking for. Still. if he finds a scientifc method to single handedly utterly destroy PUA Game, I’m not gonna complain.