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Men’s Rights Activists have had a serious hate-on for the Southern Poverty Law Center ever since the hate-group-monitoring watchdog wrote about the misogyny in the Men’s Rights movement last spring.
Since the SPLC devotes its time to ferreting out bigots and exposing them to the world, this has put SPLC-hating MRAs in some interesting company. While not everyone who’s criticized the SPLC is a bigot – both Harper’s magazine and the Nation have been critical of the group and its fundraising methods – many of the most virulent critics of the SPLC are far-right racists. On Reddit, for example, the anti-SPLC subreddit, called simply SPLC, is dominated by white nationalists; indeed, at the moment, one of the top links on its front page is titled “Interest for White Student Union grows.”
You would think that MRAs trying to portray their movement as something other than a hate movement would try to disassociate themselves from those blatantly preaching racism. But some MRAs seem unperturbed to find themselves in the company of allies like this.
A case in point: A Voice for Men, which has just republished an anti-SPLC post by Pamela Geller, a far-right racist whose virulent Islamophobia made her Norwegian terrorist mass murderer Anders Breivik’s favorite English-language blogger, and whose latest provocation involves subway ads implying that Muslims are “savages.”
The opening sentences of her post (which can also be found on her blog) will give you some idea of Geller’s style:
The communists over at the Southern Poverty Law Center are among the gravest threats to freedom in the United States … The enemedia eagerly laps up and repeats their designation of pro-freedom groups as “hate groups,” and uses this designation as a propaganda tool to demonize and discredit us.
You may also recall the weasel-worded not-quite-justification for Breivik’s rampage she published on her blog shortly after the murders, describing the victims as
the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives, including violent gang rapes, with impunity, and who live on the dole… all done without the consent of the Norwegians.
Next to a picture of camp attendees taken before the massacre, she wrote
Note the faces which are more Middle Eastern or mixed than pure Norwegian
She later removed this bit, but you can see it screencapped here.
For more on Geller and her odious ideas and actions, see this profile from, yep, the SPLC and this piece in Slate. Heck, in the wake of her “savage” ad campaign, even Fox News is beginning to distance itself from her.
Geller’s post is getting a similarly chilly reception in the Men’s Rights subreddit – and even some of the AVFM regulars are put off by her extreme Islamophobia.
But for AVFM head honcho Paul Elam, it looks like any enemy of his enemy is a friend, so long as they’re angry enough about it.
Indeed, it seems as though Elam read Geller’s post so carelessly that he didn’t even notice that the bulk of it was actually a quotation of an SPLC “expose” by James Simpson of the right-wing Capital Research Center. Apparently a quick skim of a blog post and a glance at the rest of her blog was all the “due diligence” AVFM did before climbing into bed with this particular political bedfellow.
Your idiocy is pathetic. Keep screeching though.
So labeling the Family Research Council a hate group is going too far, while calling entire nations “savage” is appropriate. And to Paul Elam, this is just right for his site.
@driversuz
You know you’re in a hate movement, right?
And any fool can see the hateful nature of the ideas the FRC promotes.
It’s also rather facile to point to the KKK or the Westboro Baptist Church and imply that because those are hate groups, it’s unreasonable to put other groups in the same category. It’s a matter of kind, not degree.
You know you’re in a hate movement, right?
Well, that’s not actually true, even though admittedly it’s a pretty effective one-liner.
“Enemedia” sounds like some kind of medical term. Tip for right-wingers trying to be clever: portmanteaus can only take you so far before you have to start presenting actual ideas using actual words.
Well, that’s not actually true
You’re right. Driversuz apparently has no idea s/he’s in a hate movement.
Yeah, I read “enemedia” and thought “enema.”
The English language has a well-known liberal bias.
This is why we get dictionary trolls every so often.
Paula Geller makes being in the middle of Boca Raton, FL’s Jewish community insanely annoying. My dad is a Hazzan at Bnai Torah, so I interact more with Jews than anyone else.
A lot of these Jews are usually politically quite liberal.
And yet they love Paula Geller when she gets all
pro-Israelislamophobic…*note: being pro-Israel is not necessarily Islamophobic (like being anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Jewish).
But, in Paula Geller’s case, it most certainly is Islamophobic… and racist… and just all-around bigoted…
Do you have any specific problems with what David wrote? Or are you just here to say “Blah de blah blah, blah blah blah”?
Mr. Driver, didn’t your mother ever tell you that if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all?
@Nathan: I thought it was Pamela Geller. Do they call her Paula in your circles? And why? And if it was just a typo, no big.
Oh jeez, Geller wrote a book about the Obama presidency called The Post American Presidency. Because only white presidents are American presidents, of course.
Driversuz is in a movment whose only consistent goal is that people who abuse women, children, and nonwhite nonheterosexual men should suffer no consequences and be allowed to continue to abuse. What the hell else would they need to do for you to call them a hate movement?
If Pam Geller gets any more unhinged she’ll be pushing a shopping cart down the sidewalk in her bathrobe and fuzzy slippers while mumbling about “the voices”.
@Major Kong
Please don’t imply that Geller is mentally ill. That’s offensive to all the many people with mental illnesses that are quite capable of not being racist shitheads.
Yeah she’s not ill, just shitty.
Sadly, this is not a surprise to me. I have known of Pam G. for several years now. Hell, I think I lurked on Sadly, No!* as early as the 2004 election.
If you told me that Geller was in the Klan, I would only be surprised that she’d managed to get in.
*You wanna talk about your social justice blogs, they’re in the exact opposite direction from Sadly, No!
Falconer, I love Sadly, No! I think Cerberus has commented here a time or two, even. I’ve probably read something she or Tintin have written about Geller and I just didn’t make the connection. I think I know where P.G. is coming from if she’s been skewered over there.
Movements are only hate movements if they hate people. Duh.
Oh, Pamela Geller. I remember reading an essay by Caroline Glick who was criticizing feminists for being more devoted to the Left than to women’s rights (her apparent proof of this was that some feminists don’t like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians). That idiot in that very essay referred to a group of women as “manly” because, you know, gender-policing women is a great way to show how you’re more concerned with women’s rights than feminists are. Anyway, one of her criticisms against feminists was that we don’t give Pamela Geller credit for exposing the evils of Islam or some shit.
So my anti-liquorice hate movement doesn’t count? Damn it, what am I going to do with all these hoods?
@Sir Bodsworth
Put them on the liquorice.
No, I’d still be able to smell it.
This is the movement driversuz has chosen to ally hirself with: a movement that wants to nullify all jury verdicts in rape cases even when the evidence indicates the accused is guilty. Note that this is the first part of an online “debate” which is taking place in front of Paulie’s sycophantic audience, and in which he allows himself the last word. Check out the comments, which display an appalling lack of knowledge about how the criminal justice system actually works in this country.