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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press release, among them
forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.
Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards. In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:
I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.
Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.
A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.
Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.
If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:
[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.
At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.
In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.
Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:
It’s not safe to work or serve with women.
The potential for trouble is way too high.
Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.
Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.
Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:
Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.
Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)
No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.
The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.
Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.
Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:
The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?
A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.
There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.
We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.
Equality: Stupid and Trivial.
I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.
For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:
Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”
Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military
Victims say military condones rape
Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret
New military rape lawsuit filed
So if I decided to go after every man I work with armed with a baseball bat and beat the everloving shit out of them for no reason, that’s their fault and they shouldn’t have jobs while I should just get off scott-free because hey, they should have stopped me right?
This seems a bit silly.
@kiwi girl
Absolutely (shout out to my cuzzies in the army!) I know that MRAs just want to never be held accountable for their actions, but JFC if all men acted the way they say is “natural” I’d be all for wiping men off the planet and leaving you ladies to continue the human race through science.
I mean for a start I have no idea where I’d get a baseball bat at 0430 on a Sunday morning in England.
I see. I want to be clear: your argument is that because fewer men than women are raped in the military the fact that men are sexually assaulted has no bearing on their fitness to serve. So the fact that most women in the military are not sexually assaulted proves that women are unfit to serve? How many men in the military would have to be victims of sexual trauma before it affected men’s ability to serve?
And since you have no direct, personal experience with the armed forces how are you determining which of our service men and women are “backwoods rubes” and/or “PC brass”?
Well, unless he starts answering some of our questions, his arguement seems to be that rape is natural. I don’t think it is. I’m so sure of it, I asked him if he ever raped anyone, assuming the whole time that he hasn’t. Rape isn’t normal behavior for anyone.
Otis. What? You’re saying that if a woman gets sexually assaulted it’s her fault for not defending herself and she is not fit for the military yet the person who assaulted her is just fine? Also nice erasure of men who have been victims of sexual assault there, just because it never happend to you doesn’t mean it never happens to anyone. Besides male rape is a problem on the military, it’s just they are rarely acknowledged much like female rape
You don’t think women should be in the army because men will rape them?
I don’t think women are equal to men. One piece of evidence of this is how much women need to take precautions about being raped by men whereas I guarantee you that practically no men have even had the thought of being raped by a woman cross his mind. I would seriously be more worried about getting struck by lightning than I would about being raped by a woman.
As for whether or not women serve in the Army, I don’t really care as long as it is acknowledged that they are not performing an equal role and are there mainly to provide some PC window dressing.
So Israel’s supposedly more PC than the US, but only on one topic?
Pretty much. My guess is that like a lot of liberals you have formed your opinion of Israelis based on your experiences with hysterical American Jews. Israelis and American Jews are nothing alike. American Jews buy into the whole ball of wax of liberal nonsense (except when it comes to the Palestinians, then they make an exception) but Israeli’s are only left wing on the subject of women and religion. Most supposedly “liberal” Israelis will freely admit that they regard blacks and hispanics as inferior races (actually, they’ll even say that about Sephardic Jews) whereas an American Jew would never even think such things.
power dynamics, as in someone in a position of authority using said authority to take advantage of someone under said authority.
This conversation was clearly about forcible rape.
I see. I want to be clear: your argument is that because fewer men than women are raped in the military the fact that men are sexually assaulted has no bearing on their fitness to serve.
It’s not just fewer. It’s orders of magnitude fewer to the point that the military had to take specific actions during the Iraq war to prevent virtually every female soldier in combat zones from getting raped.
Tautologous expression is tautologous. All rape is forcible, you big fucking ninny.
Now explain to me how the fact that men attack women means that women are ‘inferior’ and shouldn’t be allowed jobs, I could do with a good laugh.
I mean holy shitballs boy, are you even reading what you type? The fact that rapists attack women apparently means that the women are worthless at EVERYTHING and shouldn’t be allowed out, yet you say nothing about the rapists.
“hysterical American Jews”
Your words, not mine, and they are offensive.
“This conversation was clearly about forcible rape.”
Forcible rape? How is using authority to coerce someone into sexual activity not forcible?
Ninja’d
Women aren’t equal to men because sometimes women get raped? Esssh, do you have any idea how much of an asshole that makes you sound like? Men can be sexually assaulted too. And the ones that are…are they somehow inferior?
And Otis, what if you suddenly found yourself in prison? Would you be so fucking insensitive then?
I suppose it is refreshing to see a troll admitting his hatred of women.
Like, I don’t even think you’ve acknowledged that rape is A Bad Thing, let alone thought that ‘maybe the fact that so many women are attacked/fear attack is something that should not happen, instead of proof of their inability to exist in the presence of men’.
Someone going to this much pain to denounce victims and mollycoddle rapists says a whole fucking lot about their character Otis, and those things aren’t good.
“As for whether or not women serve in the Army, I don’t really care as long as it is acknowledged that they are not performing an equal role and are there mainly to provide some PC window dressing.”
Missed the memo on that one, too! Those sillies at TRADOC, they gave me orders to go to the same tech school as all the men! I even learned how to operate the same equipment. That’s a shame that they wasted all that time, energy, and money on training me, since all I was supposed to do was hold a rifle and look stern for photo ops.
Otis: So, the fact that men are more likely than women to commit a violent sexual act means that men are … superior?
I’d call him a bloody nitwit, but I’m fairly sure that would be incredibly demeaning to nits – who are, as a rule, not known for their fervent rape-apologia or misogyny.
But nits do, after all, make you scratch your head as you try to comb through their bullshit.
Hi Otis! I’m a guy who was sexually assaulted by a woman. And seriously, go fuck yourself you noxious turd. I am not less manly because I am small. I am not less manly because I was taken advantage of. I am not less manly because yes, there are situations in which I fear women.
And the reason institutions dont take measures against rape of men by either men or women is wankstains like you keep denying it happens and making the victims feel like shit.
You’re going to need to produce some citations to support this claim. And quickly. While I appreciate your use of a qualifier like “virtually” this is still an extraordinary claim and it requires extraordinary evidence. And I mean evidence that proves that military actually believed that “virtually every female soldier” was in danger of sexual assault and took official action and instituted specific policies of prevention. Because, you know, if women are/were as incompetent as the second hand accounts you’ve received from “backwoods rubes” indicate, then it seems the simpler thing would’ve been for the military to send them all home.
Now, if you do a simple google search on male on male or men raped by men in the military you’ll find a great deal of information that supports my assertion. Fewer men than women are sexually assaulted in the military. There are still more than enough men who are, for it to be a serious issue. Considering the military’s stance on homosexuality for most of its existence, it’s entirely probable that the problem is deeper and more widespread than we realize.
So, once again, explain how women being sexually assaulted is proof that they are unfit to serve -even when most women are not sexually assaulted- but the reverse is not true for men?
But if your answer is going to be another stupid variation on the but-more-women-are-raped-than-men theme you’ve got going on, then skip it.
Maybe someone (Otis?) could explain something to me:
Why can’t men just… you know… not rape women?
I feel like this is just… I don’t know… fucking common sense or some shit like that.
When has no ever meant anything other than no?
Never.
It never has, and i never will. Using tactics to get around that no (like coercion, pulling rank, or just plain sexual assault/rape) is… you know… rape, and should be prosecuted as such.
And I still fail to see how a victim is ever to blame.
To be honest, Otis, alongside your obvious misogyny, you’re doing a great job of showing us what misandry is by… well… being a fucking misandrist.
Good job. I’d sarcastically applaud, but I’m too busy typing on this keyboard about it.
This shouldn’t be about who is more likely to get raped it should be about the fact that rape is bad and should not happen. Do you at least understand that?
The world according to Otis the Sweaty Balls:
All men are rapists. All women are not.
Rapists (men) are superior to non-rapists (women); therefore men are the only people qualified to serve in the armed services.
Otis doesn’t worry about getting raped while serving in the army. This is because, despite being tiny at 5’9″ and 155 pounds, he’s a man. This has nothing to do with him never having served in the army.
Israeli’s are stupid (i.e. “PC”) for requiring women to serve in the army just like they require men. They can be forgiven for it, though, because they’re racist.
@Sweaty,
“You take me for some kind of backwoods rube? No, sorry I didn’t sign up to get shot at by 3rd worlder’s and ocean away.”
Well, um, thank you. Thank you very much.
Also, I’m 5′ 10″, 160#, and have been made uncomfortable and been subjected to things darn close to assault by both men and women. Is this due to some character flaw on my part, the fact that I’m pretty muscular for being so thin (#humblebrag), or something else?
Also, I’m insulted by the suggestion (hidden in your posts, Otis) that men are base, horrible, beastly animals with no self-control and led through life only by our penises.
That is insulting, misandrist, sick, and just plain wrong.