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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press release, among them
forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.
Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards. In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:
I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.
Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.
A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.
Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.
If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:
[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.
At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.
In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.
Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:
It’s not safe to work or serve with women.
The potential for trouble is way too high.
Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.
Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.
Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:
Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.
Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)
No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.
The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.
Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.
Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:
The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?
A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.
There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.
We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.
Equality: Stupid and Trivial.
I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.
For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:
Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”
Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military
Victims say military condones rape
Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret
New military rape lawsuit filed
So let me see if I’ve got this straight: Women suck at everything because they can’t do as many pull-ups as men, but the standards for pull-ups in the Marines are apparently complete bullshit. So women suck because they aren’t as good at a test that Otis considers useless in the first place.
Is he basically admitting he doesn’t have a leg to stand on?
I see Otis is still confusing physical equality with social equality. Sweatstain, you can harp all you want on men’s supposed physical superiority over women, but you have yet to demonstrate that this justifies treating women as lesser citizens.
You also have yet to explain why you used the word “here” when you meant “at Feministing”, but I don’t plan on holding my breath (I’m sure a man could hold his breath longer, anyway). As for your apparent obsession with Feministing: you do realize not all feminists are the same, right? Remember that talk we had about the straw feminists in your head?
Another musing on the whole lion/zebra thing – isn’t it the lionesses who do the hunting, ie taking down of zebras? So it’s the female potion of lionworld who’s dominating all those herbivores. Interesting.
Oh, but the male lions would totally be better at hunting! Male lions can do more pull-ups and are therefore superior in every way. They just let the inferior lionesses bungle up the hunting because they’re too busy doing manly things! Like…like lazing.
Except you, Otis the Shitty.
Fun times! I just noticed my typo “female potion” rather than “portion.” But I kind of like it 🙂
Lauralot, I’m glad you explained this to me. Now all we have to do is get those damned feminist nature film crews to actually show the lion chinup bars that they obviously edit out of their final programs. Only then will the world finally know the true might of the king of beasts! ‘Cause, y’know, fighting off hyenas and things is nothing compared to knocking off lots of pull ups.
Female Potion of Lion, this totally needs to be a thing! (Polymorphs you into a female lion!)
Ok, not gonna address any of Otie’s points because they’re all terrible, have been thoroughly refuted, and anyway at this point the guy’s credibility is through the floor.
What I’m sorta wondering is … what happened? Did he lose a spelling bee to a woman back in the day? Can he not get a date? What is Otis’s deal and why is he like this?
Otis, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you that you’ve got such a huge hate boner for women? Have you considered the services of a prodomme? Might do you some good, man.
Hahahaha. Ha! Hahaha!
*cradles math degree from school you wouldn’t get into in a million years, even with a :snerk: 3 to 5 point IQ advantage over the average woman*
Has the chewtoy explained why superior strength doesn’t mean that men of African origin are superior to White dudes? Or were we just ignoring that point.
Sweatstain, you can harp all you want on men’s supposed physical superiority over women, but you have yet to demonstrate that this justifies treating women as lesser citizens.
I never said that it did. I have criticized anti Feminists who say that women shouldn’t be able to vote* and drive. I want things to be like they are in Russia, where women have formal legal equality but culturally they are regarded by all, men and women alike, as inferior and they are portrayed negatively by the media.
What is Otis’s deal and why is he like this?
Feministing, Jezebel, Pandagon. When those sites shut down and apologize for everything they have ever written I will moderate my views towards women.
Also I’m sick of women claiming to be as strong as men and the media promoting that delusion. Pretty much every movie in the past 10 years has had some scrawny girl who can single handedly take down packs of NFL sized goons.
Another musing on the whole lion/zebra thing – isn’t it the lionesses who do the hunting, ie taking down of zebras?
Male lions do not like to hunt and avoid it when they can. They do hunt if they aren’t one of the lucky few who has their own harem of lionesses to hunt for them. Lionesses give male lions the best cuts of meat because they need the male lions to protect their cubs… from other male lions.
In any case the sexual dimorphism in lions is vastly greater than in humans so no meaningful comparison can be made.
As for your apparent obsession with Feministing: you do realize not all feminists are the same, right?
Well I can’t post at Feministing, Pandagon or Jezebel because they keep banning me, so I have no choice but to post here.
As a Feminist, you are responsible for what mainstream Feminists like the type who run and comment on the three aforementioned sites say. It isn’t like I’m blaming you for what Twisty Faster writes**.
*Well, I don’t think women should be allowed to vote, but men shouldn’t either. I would have no problem with a female dictator, though.
**Twisty Faster is one of the few Feminists I respect
I bet Feministing, Jezebel, and Pandagon would voluntarily shut down if that would remove every racist, misogynistic couch potato from the Internet, but just OTS? Meh, he just doesn’t matter except as a chew toy.
Yeah but they never did anything to YOU. Like, you can swagger around and be your manly mannish manning self who does man stuff and is stronger than all the womens and ignore all this stuff like a real man would (and like most real men do).
But you’re not doing that. You’re clearly super duper invested. Judging by how worked up you get (ref: bullnose pitchers rant), you’re taking this stuff personally and deeply.
Maybe because you’re worried that the media representation that makes you so angry is correct, and that many women could in fact kick your ass? And they could, by the way; I work with several. I know you’re going to be all like “Ha ha no they couldn’t” but your thin credibility has gone up like newsprint in a campfire so I suggest you don’t bother.
But maybe it’s more specific. Have you dated women? Did they do something to you, personally? Was your mom abusive?
And they could, by the way; I work with several.
Uh huh. And how many pullups can these GI Janes do? How much can they bench press? How much do they weigh?
Unless you happen to work with several women who are in the top .05 percentile of female size and strength, you most certainly do not work with several women who could kick my ass.
Maybe because you’re worried that the media representation that makes you so angry is correct
I’m worried that a woman built like Drew Barrymore can knock out several 300 lbs guys all at the same time?
Point taken. But why bring up lions in the first place? You had to know that someone was going to shout “LIONESS!” at some point in the conversation. Chimps over red colobus monkeys seems like a better choice if you’re trying to make a point about a bigger stronger,species that overruns a slighter built, weaker one, since the male chimpanzee does most of the hunting (http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html). The body size differential from male/female chimpanzees is closer to that of humans, too (http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html).
Of course, male and female human beings are not lions, zebras, chimpanzees, or red colobus monkeys, so all of these comparisons are flawed in some way shape or form. Though chimps might possibly be able to do pull ups (http://www.adopt-a-chimp.com/faqs.html#d03)
Here I am, doing somone else’s homework. Gosh, it’s like the seventh grade all over again.
Angry men are always harping on this point, but I honestly can’t think of many examples of this trope (Buffy had superpowers, so that doesn’t count). Otis,can you name some recent movies that have a small woman taking down packs of NFL-sized goons?
While we’re at it, could you show us some examples of people at Feministing or Pandagon saying “women are literally just as strong as men”? I don’t read those sites much, so I’d appreciate having some examples to look at. Thanks!
BTW, you still haven’t clarified the point I’ve asked you multiple times to clarify. It’s almost like you know you’re shifting the goalposts and think if you don’t admit it, we won’t notice.
a)No, no they don’t.
b)A lot of movies also have scrawny guys taking down packs of NFL sized goons.
Otis: A gun that was designed by a man, using metal that was mined by men and then shaped by men in factories that were designed, built and maintained by men.
I think that takes the cake for stupid. Perhaps everywhere on the internet. Ignoring that anyone can maintain a weapon. Ignoring that there are women in every step of those production processes (and if you don’t think so, it was women who invented spinning wheels, and it was the sport of gearing on a spinning wheel which led to the sorts of gearing on the Colt Revolver, etc.), ignoring all of that…
And I know that you aren’t going to try to tell us you can make your own gun from scratch, are you?
Are you?
Because if you don’t, you aren’t any more, “innately” superior (by your standards) than a woman with a gun; because both of you are leaning on someone else.
But it doesn’t matter, when a bullet hits you, who made it. What matters is who used it.
Sorry, y’all, I fail at internet today. The chimp body size link should have been:
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/Pan_troglodytes/
Odious:
…using metal that was mined by men…
I save these up and show them to the mining team when we go for beers and we laugh and laugh and laugh.
Even Otis’ definition of strength is irreparably stupid. Men, on average, may have greater physical strength than women, but have other vulnerabilities. Men’s immune systems are more fragile than women’s. Not only are men more likely to get infections, their disease course tends to be more complicated, with a greater chance of permanent residual damage. There is a whole slew of debilitating congenital diseases that affect men much more frequently than women — but I am not aware of any group of similarly debilitating diseases that affect women more than men. None of this is to say that greater long-term suvivability indicates “superiority” and a moral right to lord over others — just to show that even Otis’ conception of “strength” is completely arbitrary.
Odious:
I save these up and show them to the mining team when we go for beers and we laugh and laugh and laugh.
Otis:
Those bullshit standards? How many do you think Marines are required to do? Do you think you are in better shape than a Marine, aged 17-26? Because the passing standard for them is 3.
Then again, you edited the standard. It’s not timed; that means that (unlike the run, or the crunches) they don’t have to do them in a set period. But they do have to come to a dead hang between each repetition. If you are trying to honestly tell me you can do a dead hang, no kip, pull-up (not chin-up) with your shoulders above the bar, I don’t believe you. If you are telling me you can do five, you are a liar; plain and simple. That’s something world class gymnasts have trouble doing; because pull-up are done palm out. The kinesthestics make it almost impossible.
I’ll bet you are doing chin-ups, and bending, and not coming to a dead hang in between. I’ll also bet five is more than you can do, even with those cheats.
The only grown men who can’t do a standard push up in an untrained state are either sick, morbidly obsese or have something wrong with one of their arms. What’s more, I suspect you know this. You seriously believe that a healthy man who weighs 160 can’t do a standard push up? If I couldn’t, I would be the first.
Nope, you wouldn’t. Tell you what, you describe to me the requirements for a push-up to standard Then we’ll see if you understand just what those words mean, and why it might be that some men (just as some women) fail to meet them.
That, of course, does put you at some disadvantage; it might mean research. It might mean actually using external sources, instead of something some dude who told you he was in the IDF happened to mumble out over a beer.
It would require mental effort; which I am sure you can do (I have faith, and hope springs eternal), but I’ve yet to see any evidence that you choose to.
You think the Iroquois, where the women served the war feast naked, gave high status to women? If that’s equality than I wish we had equality like that here!
The Iroquois did no such thing. The entirety of the larder was in their control. If there was a problem in the food supply they decided who got to eat. If that’s the world you want, you are more radically feminist than I. Enjoy.
So now you are calling me a liar. I don’t know that it will never happen. I, in fact, know quite the contrary. It happens all the time, and mewling little pukes like you whine that women get away with it because of, “the pussy pass”. It’s just not systemic. The women aren’t up in arms as a body. For which, were I you, I’d be very glad.
What’s the old saw, “God created all men equal, Sam Colt made it so.”.
So all those wrestlers and mma fighters who spend hours and the gym shouldn’t bother? I guess we don’t need weight divisions either.
For sport fighting, sure. But go and look at the rules I posted… in a sport fight both people know there will be fight, and there isn’t a chance to start it by surprise.
So… let me get this straight, some people you know told you what they thought of the IDF (and yes, I have friends who served in the IDF, about 15) and so you think that makes you an expert on how it works; and their anecdotes equals being an expert on combat.
Shit… I know a some rocket scientists and some chemists, I must be a wiz on propulsion design.
Now, back to some facts. I’m a combat vet. I’ve been in fights. I’ve done training with women. I’ve done training with men. I’ve trained men and women to shoot.
The women take both hand to hand, and shooting more seriously. The best grenadier I know is a woman… all of 5’3″ and 105 lbs. She’ll kill, at 200m, with a 40mm HE round before you know where she is.
You… you’re bluster and bullshit. I’m sure you can do 5 USMC pull-ups, to standard, just as I am sure I can eat charcoal briquets and shit diamonds.
The level of bluster; your blithe assertion that you are, “in the 85th percentile for male strength”, and that you can beat up any woman you meet, tells me you are a poser. Even if you were in shape (which you say you aren’t), you don’t have the mindset.
The deadliest people I know all have one thing in common… they know they be beaten. You don’t (or more likely, you know and deny it). That’s how I know you are a fool, in addition to being a moron and an asswipe.
I see dear Otis is still stuck on the old strength = everything point.
Scrawny person vs bunch of giant goons is an irrelevent point, considering it’s generally scrawny person with years of martial arts training or superpowers vs bunch of big goons. Goons that, coincidentally, think just like Otis – that they can get by being purely strong and intimidating, and usually underestimate the scrawny person as a result.
And that’s not getting into the fact that it’s just fiction as well, but hey.
Son, you ignored everything in my comment except the least important point.
I do not give a shit about how many girls you fantasize about beating up. I believe that the professional dancers I work with would mop the floor with you and you don’t believe it, and neither of us is going to change the other’s mind.
What I am asking you is what women did to your little ego that you spend so much goddamn time obsessing about them. If you honestly felt that women were inferior, you would not pay them this much heed.
You’re projecting and I’m wondering why.