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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press release, among them
forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.
Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards. In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:
I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.
Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.
A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.
Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.
If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:
[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.
At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.
In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.
Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:
It’s not safe to work or serve with women.
The potential for trouble is way too high.
Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.
Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.
Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:
Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.
Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)
No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.
The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.
Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.
Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:
The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?
A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.
There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.
We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.
Equality: Stupid and Trivial.
I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.
For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:
Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”
Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military
Victims say military condones rape
Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret
New military rape lawsuit filed
Pecunium, you are my most favorite person on the internet right now XD
Also re:Buffy – I LOVED Tara/Willow, and OMWF never gets bad, but I don’t know that anything will be able to make up for the “Spike tried to rape me but it’s okay because deep down I luuuuurves him!” bullshit.
“Being able to overpower 99% of women doesn’t mean I’m strong. I just means I am in the top 85 percentile of male strength.”
Wait, how does a couch potato end up in the top 85 percentile of male strength? 85% of males can overpower 99% of women, is that the point?
Dude is just pulling numbers out of his ass, now.
Otis Logic: Patriarchy absolutely does not need gov coercion, it arises naturally everywhere there is humans because women aren’t strong enough to protect themselves from men.
When women start to use technology to kill men, that will be hunky-dory, because the men weren’t able to protect themselves.
Might makes right.
Oh that’s convenient. It doesn’t have to be Muslim, it just happens to be. Your racism sickens me.
No it doesn’t. You don’t even really think it’s racist; you just pretend it, to have a stick to beat people with; because you aren’t clever enough to actually address the points being made.
Besides functioning as glorified birth machines women have done nothing to uphold society. Didn’t build the housing, hunt the food, develop the technology or fight the wars.
Nonsense. Who spun the cloth? Who collected the fruits, tubers, grains, herbs? Who dried the meat, made the baskets, chewed the hides? Who cooked the food?
That’s the short list. If you have evidence to the contrary, you are going to be famous as all fuck when you publish.
As to “fought the wars” WW2, for one, couldn’t have been won without women. The women who did the coding, and the compiling for the Manhattan Project. The woman who figured out why hydrogen is the most prevalent element in the universe, and the WACs and WAVES who did stateside work (limited by laws).
Otis: So are you a mangina or a woman? I can’t tell.
Ah… so we see the intellectual superiority and discernment of the White Race in action.
Why can’t you tell? What was vague? The evidence is there, for those with the eyes to see; the wit to comprehend.
Work on it, I’m sure you can figure it out… if not, I’m sure there is a woman there to help you in the right direction.
I have a hard time imaging that anyone’s racism actually sickens our little suck monkey.
Otis: I think I have met like one woman who was as strong as a a man in my entire life. Any guy who’s ever fought a girl can tell you how frail they are.
So any one example invalidates your claim.
Let me be the one to break the news… you are wrong.
Apparently there are some women who enter basic training not even able to do a push up. A push up! Women are to strength as pigs are to cleanliness.
Same is true for men.
Then again, that’s a push-up to standard
I’ll bet you’d fail the entrance test to Basic too, on just that basis.
Then again, the USMC (my dad’s a vet of the Corps, and I’ve trained Marines on their way out to MEUs), dropped the Pull-up because the males had problems with it too; and there were too many injuries as a result of older Marines trying to meet the younger Marine standards; there was some implication that combat tours were causing some of that; because it’s hard on the body.
Otis: A bunch, but anybody (well, any man) can do a lot of pullups if they train for it. The question is how many I could do untrained. Probably about 3. That’s at 160. My 105 lbs sister can do zero. My brother’s fiance can do zero. In 4 years of highschool gym, all the girls in my class could do zero. Scarlett Johannson who can’t weigh over 105 was unable to do one even after working with a Hollywood personal trainer for months.
Can you put your forehead on the wall, in bare feet, pick up a chair and stand upright?
Let me help you out… you can’t; not unless you have completely flat feet.
Because you are a man. Women’s CG is lower, and they have less upper body muscle mass. It makes it harder for them to do pull-ups. For some it’s impossible.
That’s not at all relevant to actual physical fitness. They can also do a fuckton more sit-ups than men in similar shape.
So, Otis, how many USMC regulation pull-ups can you do?
If you can do five I’m impressed.
Then again, if you can dead hang into a kip and roll over the bar I’ll be really impressed; even though it’s easier than a pull-up.
Otis’s reasoning: that because he’s probably strong enough to overpower a woman and rape her (totally not bothering to mention matters like surprise, freezing and all the myriad elements of rape, regardless of who’s the rapist and who’s the victim) THEREFORE women are contemptible and really should be raped, have no rights, be owned and scorned by men.
(1) This is not a timed event.
One repetition consists of raising the body with the arms until the chin is above the bar
Pssh. When I said I could have done 3 in an untrained state I meant in a row, with shoulder tops going above the bar. With those bullshit standards I probably could have done at least 5 without training.
and they have less upper body muscle mass. It makes it harder for them to do pull-ups. For some it’s impossible.
At least you are honest enough to admit this. What you just said is heresy at Feministing, Jezebel or (the site formerly known as) Pandagon.
I’ll bet you’d fail the entrance test to Basic too, on just that basis
The only grown men who can’t do a standard push up in an untrained state are either sick, morbidly obsese or have something wrong with one of their arms. What’s more, I suspect you know this. You seriously believe that a healthy man who weighs 160 can’t do a standard push up? If I couldn’t, I would be the first.
dropped the Pull-up because the males had problems with it too
They probably dropped it because they didn’t want to make the female marines look bad.
Work on it, I’m sure you can figure it out… if not, I’m sure there is a woman there to help you in the right direction
You argue like a man so I’m thinking maybe you are one, but a lot of feminists have very masculine debating styles so I’m still not sure. If I had to bet, I’d go with you are a man who loves women, not an actual woman.
Iroquois
You think the Iroquois, where the women served the war feast naked, gave high status to women? If that’s equality than I wish we had equality like that here!
When women start to use technology to kill men, that will be hunky-dory, because the men weren’t able to protect themselves.
We both know that there is no chance that will ever happen.
Might makes right.
Far from it. But humanities ability to dominate nature is what makes humans superior to other animals and man’s ability to dominate women makes men superior to women.
Arguing women are equal to men is like arguing zebras are equal to lions. It’s so absurd that only the willfully blind could believe it.
It’s not strength which wins a fight.
So all those wrestlers and mma fighters who spend hours and the gym shouldn’t bother? I guess we don’t need weight divisions either.
Proving you know jack shit about combat.
I’ve got friends who served in the IDF? Do you? It’s an army of cowards who run like girls from a ten year old throwing a stone, all run by a bunch of generals who are scared of their own shadows. It hasn’t won a war in 45 years now, despite facing very poor competition.
Otis.
Nobody believes you about the pull-ups because this is the internet and you can say whatever you want and we can’t verify it.
Also nobody cares because whether or not you can do pull-ups doesn’t matter.
It’s true that men have a much higher muscle and bone mass than women do- and it increases exponentially in one’s 20’s, however, Otis still hasn’t explained how, if lions and sharks and cows are stronger than humans, the human race does not concede defeat to them as superiors.
If physical strength is the mere measure of what makes a being superior, we humans are pretty far down on that list.
On the other hand, a woman with a gun is going to have a far higher advantage over a man who can do ALL THE PULL-UPS EVER.
It’s just like that scene in Indiana Jones, where he’s supposed to use his whip against the baddie, but instead he just pulls out his gun and BLAMO, no more baddie.
Humans use tools to equalize the gaps in proficiency that we have. It doesn’t fucking matter if you can draw a perfectly straight line. I have a ruler and I can do it too.
“I’m not saying might makes right, I’m just saying that a thing’s worth is determined exclusively by its ability to exercise its might over other things. HUGE DIFFERENCE.”
Hahahahahaha, this is amazing. “Geez, this country hasn’t started a war in DECADES! What a bunch of sissies!”
Honestly, only a racist ding-dong like you could be stupid enough to argue that Israel isn’t all too eager to exercise violence against its neighbours and foul enough to argue that this alleged nonviolence is what makes Israel unworthy.
Hahahahahaha, this is amazing. “Geez, this country hasn’t started a war in DECADES! What a bunch of sissies!”
I didn’t say they hadn’t started a war, they’ve started 3, I said they hadn’t won one. And they haven’t. They are an army of cowards who couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. No wonder they let women in.
HUGE DIFFERENCE
Yeah. It is.
It’s true that men have a much higher muscle and bone mass than women do
Not according to Jezebel, Feministing and Pandagon.
On the other hand, a woman with a gun is going to have a far higher advantage over a man who can do ALL THE PULL-UPS EVER.
A gun that was designed by a man, using metal that was mined by men and then shaped by men in factories that were designed, built and maintained by men.
the human race does not concede defeat to them as superiors
Cause we’re smarter than they are. Just like men have a 3-5 IQ point advantage against women.
Anyway, if men and women are “equal” with the exception of physical strength than they aren’t really equal at all. Anything less than 100 percent equality is not equality. Although I know women aren’t that good at math so maybe this point is beyond the female members of this board.
Nobody believes you about the pull-ups because this is the internet and you can say whatever you want and we can’t verify it.
If I was gonna lie don’t you think I’d make up slightly more impressive statistics for myself than 5’9 (1.5 inches below average for an adult white north american male) and a flabby 155-160 lbs? I also hope I could make up a more impressive accomplishment than maybe being able to do 5 pullups.
You realize that even if this was true it would have nothing to do with the effectiveness of our hypothetical female soldier who is facing the enemy and holding a gun, right?
Also you might not want to keep bringing up that tiny difference in average IQ, since men are overrepresented at the bottom of the scale. Now, I don’t think that’s all that important, but if you’re going to go down that argumentative route the fact that going by IQ there are more really stupid men than really stupid women doesn’t exactly help the argument you’re trying to make.
On the idea that we dominate other animals because we’re smarter than them and therefore men should dominate women because they’re also smarter…it’s hard to measure, but the consensus opinion is that we are not in fact significantly smarter than either dolphins or orcas, and they’re much stronger than we are. In terms of innate “superiority” all we really have over them is opposable thumbs, and yet Sea World is a thing that exists.
(Waits for Otis to claim that men’s thumbs are naturally more opposable than women’s are and therefore they’re superior.)
(is 5’9″ morning or evening height?)
@ Otis- is your argument women deserve to be raped because you can do all the pull-ups and UFC? I feel it’s somewhat lacking in sophistication.
(Haven’t we already had the men are stronger therefore better conversation with Mr Evening Height? CB says this is a different guy, but I’m not convinced.)
I’ve been waiting for the comment alleging male superiority because of the ability to write in the snow with no hands. I am being semi-entertained by the pull-the-statistic-that-fits-the-point-I’m-trying-to-make-out-of-my-orifice, but I’m pretty patient and have a high boredom threshold. 🙂 I’m also intrigued that OTS thinks all the “points” he’s making, you know, matter.
Wasn’t there something about the librarian in Discworld that was associated with opposable thumbs? I have pointed out to my cats that I am theoretically superior because they don’t have opposable thumbs, but I still appreciate my feline overlords.
Hahaha what the fuck is this happy horseshit?
I think that zebras and lions have equal worth. I had no idea this was a particularly radical position. Oh no wait, it is for Captain ‘if I can hit you, I should be able to own you’ (let’s ignore the fact that he said that 84% of men could kick the shit out of him yeah?).
Kiwigirl, I can’t remember anything about opposable thumbs for the Librarian, though he does have the advantage of feet that work as hands as well.
He also makes more sense with one “Ook” than Otis the PersonalHygieneFail does with all his blather.
I like the part about “a gun designed by a man.”
Personally I perform all hand-to-hand combat with a handmade labrys. The head is made from metal I took from a fallen star rather than raping the mother earth, and a shaft which I carefully carved from the antlers of a female reindeer, using tools my BFF knapped from flint. (Although her father showed her how to do this, partially canceling it out…) No man has touched this axe, which means that all activities I perform with it are sanctioned by the Matriarchy and are allowed to cause +2 damage.
Can I use this to talk my husband out of getting a Fausti shotgun, though? They’re beautiful but terribly expensive, and of course, the Faustis are a trio of sisters…
Yes, lions are so much better…a perfectly strong healthy lion picks the sick, elderly or very young prey to stalk and kill. And still often fail in the hunt.
A total show of domination through strength.
A few thoughts before I have to get the kiddies ready for school:
1. Pecunium = awesome.
2. Someone better get that lions > zebras thing into general knowledge. Right now the zebras have a much nicer habitat at my local zoo, and that’s obviously not right.
3. Otis said wrestling required strength above all else, right? If that was Olympic style Greco-Roman wrestling, I’d say skill and technique comes into the mix, too. If it’s professional, WWE style wrestling – please. That stuff is scripted. Strength IS important – you can’t body slam somebody if you can’t pick them up – but if management says the brawny he-man will lose to the skinny guy in the mask, the brawny he-man will ultimately lose.*
4. I think I’ve finally got a hold on Otis’ logic. Actual facts don’t matter, you can just draw conclusions from a small group of people you know and present that as the ultimate proof. I’ll do an exercise as such:
When I was in AIT (Army tech school), I was in charge of the female barracks for my company. There was one girl who would not bathe. If you didn’t herd her down the hall to the latrine, she would not see the inside of a shower stall for weeks. She had a soul brother in the male barracks. The male floor commander told me he had to assign a detail every day to make sure that this guy washed and brushed his teeth. Each person also did a profoundly shitty job of cleaning personal and common areas in their respective barracks. Both of these people were Caucasian. A minimum level of hygiene is important for troop readiness, since cleanliness of body and living areas prevents the spread of disease and keeps one mission-ready.** Since I personally knew two very dirty white people, I can now conclude that all white people are too hygenically challenged for military service.
(Just in case anyone is wondering, I’m white, too. But that has no bearing on the situation, because, see, I KNEW these people!).
*(source: http://www.amazon.com/Have-Nice-Day-Blood-Sweatsocks/dp/0061031011/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349179887&sr=8-1&keywords=mick+foley <— this is a fun read if you have any interest in pro wrestling)
** (source: http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/PrsnlHlthMsrs/chapter2.htm)