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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press release, among them
forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.
Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards. In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:
I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.
Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.
A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.
Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.
If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:
[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.
At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.
In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.
Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:
It’s not safe to work or serve with women.
The potential for trouble is way too high.
Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.
Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.
Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:
Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.
Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)
No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.
The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.
Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.
Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:
The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?
A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.
There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.
We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.
Equality: Stupid and Trivial.
I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.
For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:
Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”
Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military
Victims say military condones rape
Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret
New military rape lawsuit filed
straw-feminists in your head?
So what, is Feministing like too stupid for even you to read? Cause they say that women are as strong as men every chance they get.
Oh shit, it’s almost as though human genders aren’t so cartoonishly different as to be instantly and universally distinguishable through conversation
Good point. I’d add that after viewing pictures of Amanda Marcotte in Jessica Valenti that genders aren’t always distinguishable even by facial features.
So I see that a persons humaness can only be measured by muscle mass in the arm.
Tell me Sweaty, how many squats can you do at your own body weight? How flexible are you? If you assume a kneeling position, can you lean over and touch your nose to the floor without losing your balance? How efficient is your body at using oxygen (women are up to thirty percent better at this than men).
Feminists don’t say that their aren’t any physiological differences between the sexes. We do argue, however, that individual abilities vary so greatly that there is a huge overlap between the sexes.
I see. When you said “the consensus here…” I should have known that by “here” you meant “on some other Web site”. My bad.
“Women suck because I say they can’t do pullups and also they do not give me a boner.” Guys, I think Otis might be too much for us, his intellect is pretty staggering.
@pillowinhell also, if you look at actual data, it turns out there is more variance within a gender than between genders. But scientists are probably part of the PC mafia or something.
(There’s also the fact that differences between genders don’t justify one oppressing the other, but apparently moral arguments don’t interest Sweaty)
I love how Otis’ response to Pecunium is “are you a woman or a mangina?” Otis, you’ve been schooled, and you’re too stupid to know it.
Uh oh. Otis just called Pecunium a mangina. Shit just got real. Or not.
Seriously, though, I’m going to believe an actual soldier over some racist asswipe who may or may not know someone who’s been in the military.
Odious The Stanky is STILL here?
Dude, Pecunium was your cue to run, hide, and pretend you won—oh, right, that’s exactly what you did. nvrmind
Guy here. I have done maybe, in my entire life, one pull-up. At any weight. I’ve been tiny and underweight, currently slightly overweight. Even when I was at the rock gym almost every day for a summer I couldn’t do one.
Hmm, an obsession with the idea that men are stronger than women and thus more awesome and a weird anger towards Scarlett Johannsen? I’m calling very familiar returning troll.
OTOH maybe there’s some sort of factory that churns out sexist and racist dumbasses, and there are only very small variations between the different models.
I think Ody is expecting us to forget that he has already told us that he is a couch potato, as if we cannot tell that his delusions of strength about being able to overpower 99% of women are pretty much all in his seething, racist imagination.
I think Ody is expecting us to forget that he has already told us that he is a couch potato
Since I’m a man, I don’t need to diet or do any hardcore training to do a bunch of pull ups. I just practice pull ups a few times a week and that is enough for me to get good at them.
Now if i was a woman, I would have had to lose all my excess flab and use a specialty training program, and even that might not work. But of course none of that was necessary for me.
as if we cannot tell that his delusions of strength about being able to overpower 99%
Being able to overpower 99% of women doesn’t mean I’m strong. I just means I am in the top 85 percentile of male strength.
I’m sure Otis thinks men’s general ability to out-perspire women is also a point in their favor.
It’s weird how dudes debating the whole women are to leaky and weak to join the army seem to think pull ups are really going to be handy when you’re under enemy fire. Wouldn’t being smaller be a bit more useful when you’re being shot at? It just speaks to the whole sexist nature of physical testing- the standard is stuff that males are good at naturally, when there is an entire skill set that women tend to excel in and men do not. Smaller bodies get cover easier, women perform well in endurance tests, they just fit better in tanks, their bodies cope better in certain physical environments, etc. But people insist on judging fitness for the military based on how many pull-ups you can do. I get that carrying a shit ton of gear requires strength, but the male standard for measuring strength just does not accurately measure what women can do in real live situations. Women just don’t lift and carry shit like men do- they still lift and carry shit, but they lift with their legs and hips and move it differently.
A friend of my cousin’s wife’s chiropractor was totally in the army, and he says that the Iranians are fortifying their Iraqi border with chin up bars. knowing full well that if the women of the US army can’t get into their country then the PC police will prohibit an invasion.
@ Sir Bodsworth- Egads, evil geniuses, all of them!
Falconer: I find the support-the-troops bumper stickers as annoying and aggressive as anyone,
I do too. I find them to be more tribal markings than anything else. The people who sport them tend to dismiss me when politics (esp. regarding torture) come up.
So it’s (more often than not, IME), a way to beat up on people they disagree with.
Otis: re the nonsense about women being, “non-threatening”… I’m by no means a nervous sort of fellow (I walk around the South Side of Chicago, the “scary” parts of NYC, and I grew up in East LA in the early ’80s).
I’ve felt threatened by women. Context matters.
As to the “PC” of Israelis… how much time have you spent in Israel? Because the folks I know who’ve lived there (or were born there) aren’t like that. I also recall Golda Meir… who when women were being raped said men ought to have the curfew… since they were the ones causing the problem.
You don’t care. You think the problem is that women exist in a place where asshole men might rape them, so the men need to be protected from the temptation of women.
Fuck that shit. The men are doing the raping so they are the ones to blame, and they need to be the ones to change.
It’s called being responsible for their actions. I mean shit… if stores just locked everything up there wouldn’t be any shoplifting, so clearly it’s the fault of the shopkeepers that people steal from them.
Otis: I don’t think women are equal to men. One piece of evidence of this is how much women need to take precautions about being raped by men whereas I guarantee you that practically no men have even had the thought of being raped by a woman cross his mind. I would seriously be more worried about getting struck by lightning than I would about being raped by a woman.
Then you are an ignoramous.
When I was younger, and less clued in, I was sexually abused by my, female, partner.
As for whether or not women serve in the Army, I don’t really care as long as it is acknowledged that they are not performing an equal role and are there mainly to provide some PC window dressing.
Ain’t gonna happen, because you are wrong.
This conversation was clearly about forcible rape.
Did you read the charge sheet?
None of those are, “forcible rape”. They are what the post was about. That the idjuts on the Spearhead (and yourself) pretend it’s about force, just shows how little you know about either rape, or the military.
The charges about violating general orders, conduct unbecoming, and conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, are those which matter most to “The Army”; as an institution.
the military had to take specific actions during the Iraq war to prevent virtually every female soldier in combat zones from getting raped.
Citation needed.
Damn it, I go off to finish knitting a cardigan and I miss Pecunium utterly owning a dumbass.
*patiently waits for a rant on how knitting, cardigans, vaginas, and any combination there of are responsible for all the world’s ills*
Otis: Given that the IDF with unlimited supplies of American hardware was smashed to pieces by a few hundred part time guerrillas in Lebanon just 6 years back, even the men barely qualify for the title of “soldier”.
Proving you know jack shit about combat.
Not that I needed that, because your conflation of bench-pressing with martial prowess was all the evidence I needed. I know some small women, who can’t bench press more than 100 lbs. or so, who can mop the walls with me. I know men who can bench 300 lbs whom I can mop the floor with.
It’s not strength which wins a fight.
I’ll tell you the secret…
1: Know the fight is coming.
2: If at all possible, start the fight.
If those two things happen, 9 times out of 10, you win: big, small, skilled, unskilled. Those are the secrets.
re enlisting (tosca, et al). Feel free to drop me a line. I have a pretty wide experience, and can give some feedback on AGR lifestyle.
Being able to overpower 99% of women doesn’t mean I’m strong. I just means I am in the top 85 percentile of male strength.
Aaaaand, not a single fuck was given that day.