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US Army Brig. General charged with rape. Who’s to blame? According to The Spearhead, it’s women.

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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press  release, among them

forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.

Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards.  In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:

I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.

Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.

A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.

Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.

If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:

[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.

At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.

In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.

Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:

It’s not safe to work or serve with women.

The potential for trouble is way too high.

Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.

Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.

Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:

Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.

Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)

No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.

The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.

Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.

Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:

The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?

A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.

There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.

We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.

Equality: Stupid and Trivial.

I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.

For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:

Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”

Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military

Victims say military condones rape

Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret

New military rape lawsuit filed

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Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

Cats don’t mourn, they dine.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

Why do so many trolls go “I wasn’t a misogynist until women/feminists made me that way” and then when they describe this event it clearly shows they were already misogynist to begin with?
Otis already thought women were weak, then he saw feminist sites saying that women can be strong and got angry because it contradicted his pre-established notions, and now he blames those sites for his bigotry.

NightShadeQueen
NightShadeQueen
8 years ago

“I’m a man, so I would never throw a kick”

….I think that practically any woman with, say, five minutes of training can take down Otis, then.

Given that he seems to believe fights fall completely to strenght and not to, you know, technique.

pecunium
8 years ago

lauralot: That was wonderful. After a long day selling knives it was a pleasure to be laughing myself silly into my beer.

katz: M. says Fassbender; as he looks most like me. And shucks, I’m flattered.

pecunium
8 years ago

Otis: First of all, some marines are huge guys who even after basic training are well over 220 lbs. Doing three at such a high weight is different than doing it at a more normal weight. Second of all, most marines can easily pass the pullup portion of the test. The hard part of the test is the running which I certainly would be unable to do.

Nope.

The hard part is the pull-ups. That’s why the passing score is 3. I’m out of shape; by my standards, so my time for 2 miles (army standard) is probably down to about 14 minutes.

That’s 13 minutes after two-minutes of push-ups, and two minutes of sit-ups. If I didn’t have to do the first two events I’m probablu still running about 13.

Tell you what, you describe to me the requirements for a push-up to standard Then we’ll see if you understand just what those words mean.

I’ve seen plenty of basic training documentary’s so i know what a military push up looks like. There is no way a non obese man can’t do one.

So you don’t know the standard and are too lazy to look it up. As I said, you are wrong. Hundreds of young men fail to get into basic training, directly, every month; because they can’t do the push-up to standard. I have seen them unable to manage even one.

This wasn’t to me, but it bears addressing:

Yeah well you could at least bring up some evidence to back up your assertion. If your friends weigh over 140 and can do 10 or more pull ups in a row then maybe they could beat me up (though I doubt it). If they can bench over 200, I have no problem with admitting that they probably could kick my ass. But if your friends are that big and strong than they are total freaks and are not representative of over 99% of all women.

Again, you don’t know jack-shit about fighting. It’s not about brawn, it’s about brains. Give me the chance to land the first blow and I (at 5’9″ and 120 lbs) am confident I can take out Mike Tyson; if he doesn’t know it’s coming, and I can do it face to face.

Yes, you did. You said you believed in both informal, and formal, discrimination.

No I didn’t. I said I wanted informal discrimination like there is in Russia, not formal discrimination like there is in Saudi Arabia.

Do you think women should be allowed to serve in they Army, in all capacities? If not then you believe in formal discrimination, QED.

Assume you’re trying to land a kick on someone in unarmed combat.

I’m a man so I would never throw a kick.

Then you are a stupid man.

I’ll repeat the important lesson.

Any idea where the adrenal glands are located? Do you know what it feels like to get hit in them?

Do you know how to deal with someone who has a knife? How about someone with a kubota. Ever been rabbit punched? Sucker punched? Had a set of brass knuckles stuffed up your gut? Ever had someone pinch the portion of your humeric nerve where it approaches the skin (do you even know where that is?).

And before you tell me they don’t count…that’s bullshit. That’s what fighting is. It’s using what you know to make the other person not want to continue. It’s the rock thrown upside the head, followed with the next one hammered onto your skull. It’s the steel-toed boot to the kneecap. It’s the gun from the alley. It’s the shiv in the small of the back.

It’s not three minute rounds at the sound of the bell.

pecunium
8 years ago

damn… blockquote fail. And I was doing so well.

true story. I was working on a set (Limit Up…. wretched flick, and so-so food, but it paid well) and we were hanging out, between bits of work. My knife fighting instructor, one of his hand to hand instructors, and me. We were talking the peculiar sort of shop that people who train in different disciplines; and know each other well, tend to fall into.

I was explaining that I liked wearing square toed, low-heeled, riding boots (for horses), because they made it easier to fake a knee to the groin, and then snap-kick to the knee.

“If you miss the heel dislocates the kneecap, or you hook the leg and they fall down so you can stomp on them.”

My knife fighting instructor, one of the most effective fighters I know, looked at me, with that sort of mildly stunned respect one has when hearing of some really subtle; effective thing, one has never thought of/encountered and said, “You know, I always forget what a nasty little fucker you can be”.

I have to be. I’m not huge, and I can’t do pull-ups very well. 🙂

lauralot
lauralot
8 years ago

Glad you liked it, Pecunium!

katz
8 years ago

Fassbender it is, then. He’s great at an even, measured delivery that would really work for that scene. The man does a mean monologue.

pecunium
8 years ago

Daniel Craig reminds me of my father, but his chin is too narrow.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

Pecunium’s father was actually James Bond, that’s why he’s so badass. 😉

pecunium
8 years ago

MollyRen: That’s a lot sexier than the truth. I didn’t meet my father until I was 19. I managed to survive a moderately misspent youth; some of it in pretty seedy parts of town. I got very good at looking over my shoulder, and going from calm, to berserk.

Which only works if you know what to do when berserk. I was lucky, or I’d be dead.

katz
8 years ago

James Bond must have a lot of children, but properly Pecunium would have been from the Connery era (by my estimate).

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

Cats don’t mourn, they dine.

This made my night

pecunium
8 years ago

Yes katz, I would be the child of a David Niven/Peter Sellers/Ursula Andress/Dalia Lavi/Terence Copper era James Bond (1967 Casino Royale)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I want things to be like they are in Russia, where women have formal legal equality but culturally they are regarded by all, men and women alike, as inferior and they are portrayed negatively by the media.

So basically you’re throwing an extended tantrum about the fact that the culture you live in doesn’t reflect your own personal preferences and prejudices as much as you would like.

Poor baby, life must be so hard for you. Here, have a tissue.

katz
8 years ago

Pecunium, you should just thank your lucky stars you missed George Lazenby.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

I kinda liked that George Lazenby one. Didn’t see a single one of Timothy What’shisface or Pierce Brosnan. Or Daniel Craig. Come to think of it, I’m not much of a Bond fan.

pecunium
8 years ago

I read the books. Great stuff… semi-reliable narrator.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

It is not women per se who should be “blamed” for the prevalence of rape in the armed forces. Women (since WWII) have shown by their enlistment that they lack the capacity of good judgement, common sense, and intelligence to make sound decisions for themselves, and they can’t see the relation between rape and making their bodies freely available in a setting that almost guarantees that men wll decline morally and sexually to the lowest common denominator.

War (and war preparations) do terrible things to people! It is the business of armed forces to train WARRIORS–not male feminists, not “pussymales”, and not ladies’ companions.

Recognising the lack of any sound judgement among women, it is the fault of government policies that misapply gender “equality’ to areas that it simply doesn’t, and cannot, apply. The armed forces should be exclusively male, and the issue of rape would not arise.

The issue of gay rape, is another kettle of fish, and should be dealt with in other posts, and perhaps other websites.

Bostonian
8 years ago

Oh look, the pro slavery guy wants to talk about poor judgement.

Go perfume your dolls, abuse advocate.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Oh, David K. Meller. Fuck off. And while you’re fucking off, do a little research into the existing and established mixed-gender armed forces (with openly gay servicemembers) around the world that don’t appear to have nearly the prevalence of rape that the US forces do. And then fuck off some more.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

they can’t see the relation between rape and making their bodies freely available in a setting that almost guarantees that men wll decline morally and sexually to the lowest common denominator.

This is a brilliant reveal. Meller explicitly equates “existing while female in the presence of men” and “making one’s body freely available”. Female soldiers’ bodies are approximately as freely available as the cigarettes behind the counter at the drug store; the fact that something could be taken or used by force does not make it free. I hope that the clerks at toy stores keep an eye on this one.

Now I need a shower.

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Aw, have the dollies stopped talking to you again, Meller? Have you run out of cancer patients to mock and kittens to euthanize? I’d sympathize, but you’re a grade a asshat who can FUCK RIGHT OFF as far as I care.

cloudiah
8 years ago

What a Grade-A asshat Meller is. To counteract the toxin he spews, here is a video of some rescued ducks being introduced to water for the first time in their new sanctuary home:

cloudiah
8 years ago

Ha ha, should have refreshed. Glad KathleenB and I have the same view of Meller!

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

cloudiah: Great minds!

inurashii
inurashii
8 years ago

Sorry, Meller, you’re too late. Otis already won the ‘human garbage of the thread’ award.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

Oh hey Meller. Still being horrible? Yeah, I thought so, but then, when you blame someone for their own murder by an abusive ex, you can’t really sink much lower.

Ithiliana–February 12, 2012 @2:31pm

“graduate student “murdered” by ex-husband”

Take post cited above. Could woman who talks like that (over the ‘net) have such an unpleasant, unfeminine, and just plain horrid personality that she could say something that MAY provoke an unpleasant response from a nearby man who may already be troubled about something else. Look at all of the cases you read about where a murder or vicious assault or rape was committed by a man whose entire life was coming apart, and the very person—his wife–whom he was relying upon to keep what was left of his sanity was turning on him…

Did graduate student take her “how to handle men” or something like that from YOU?

I was explaining that a man who loved his nearest and dearest would do anything to avoid the spousal abuse so often cited on feminuttery websites and blogs like this, because it wouldn’t get him what he wanted! I would rather be kind, gentle, and loving to a woman than beat,rape, or kill her, and so would most men, for obvious reasons!

Gee, Ithiliana, for an intelligent woman, you sure have a lot of trouble understanding ordinary common sense, don’t you?

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Wait, wait, so if dudes have casual sex with ladies, they’ll want to rape them, but if dudes DON’T have sex, they’ll get so sexually frustrated they have to rape people.

Is there any plan where dudes don’t get an excuse to rape people?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Is there any plan where dudes don’t get an excuse to rape people?

In MRAland, the only plans are:

1) rape people, with no consequences up to and including people making you feel bad about it by calling it rape.

2) have everything given to them with no effort on their part, while maintaining the illusion that they did it all themselves with no help whatsoever, because they are manly men, and they deserve it, because they are nice.

3) have NO responsibility for anything, ever. Not for what they say, or do, or for taking care of their children, or for doing laundry, or for actively participating in any relationships they may have. None. All the responsibility is for the other people.

3) shut up and make me a sammich.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

“Grade A ‘asshat'”? Speak for yourselves! Rape, domestc violence, and other misbehavior would be exceedingly unlikely in a society where women were cherished AS WOMEN, where they would be valued by their capacity to bring love, pleasure, and beauty into the home and into the world. Where they could be, not hated rivals or competitors, not bitter, man-hating feminists, and not gender-egalitarian loons, but people to be cherished and adored who sustain families and communities, secure much of the moral and spiritual upbringing of the up-and-coming generation of both sexes, and inspire their menfolk to ever greater achievements in creative, problem-solving, and intellectual abilities…

Do women(?) infesting the armed forces deserve any better? Why are there women “soldiers anyhow? Okay, there are far too many men soldiers in the world–or even in our wretched USSA type of fascism/corporatism/ kleptocracy–but certainly expanding this “opportunity” to the fair sex does nothing for the rest of us!

Look on the bright side–these women (speaking charitably) being “raped” or sexually harassed” are showing how tough, brutal and masculine they are, they are being (or at least imitating) the warrior creed that has so often degraded and brutalized men throughout history!

emilygoddess
8 years ago

a society where women were cherished AS WOMEN, where they would be valued by their capacity to bring love, pleasure, and beauty into the home and into the world. Where they could be, not hated rivals or competitors, not bitter, man-hating feminists, and not gender-egalitarian loons, but people to be cherished and adored who sustain families and communities, secure much of the moral and spiritual upbringing of the up-and-coming generation of both sexes, and inspire their menfolk to ever greater achievements in creative, problem-solving, and intellectual abilities…

Jesus, Meller, you’re aware that women are people, right? I see you using the word, but I also see you talking about women like they don’t have dreams and goals of their own, like all we’re here for is to help men.

Rape, domestc violence, and other misbehavior would be exceedingly unlikely

So you only cherish and adore women when they’re willing to settle for being cherished and adored – if they ask for more, ask to be given the chance to make their own achievements in creative, problem-solving, and intellectual abilities, they deserve to be hurt? The punishment doesn’t really fit the “crime” here. It seems more like you’re trying to justify your own desire to hurt women by convincing yourself we deserve it.

women(?)
these women (speaking charitably)

If they’re not women, what are they?

And why do you insist on resurrecting dead threads? Afraid that if you posted in an active one, there’d be too many people calling you on your shit?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Rape and domestic violence have happened in pretty much every society throughout history, including the ones where the women attempted to meet your twisted idea of proper feminine behavior.

And yes, everyone deserves better than being raped. Even you, and you’re just about the most unpleasant excuse for a human being I’ve ever encountered.

BTW, this thing you keep doing where you think that you can sneak in to dead threads and have the last word without anyone calling you out on your unpleasantness? It’s not going to work. Also, it’s cowardly.

pecunium
8 years ago

Meller: “Grade A ‘asshat’”? Speak for yourselves! Rape, domestc violence, and other misbehavior would be exceedingly unlikely in a society where women were cherished AS WOMEN,where they would be valued by their capacity to bring love, pleasure, and beauty into the home and into the world.

Umn… sure,maybe. Except that it didn’t work in the past. What would be different this time around?

Know what… If I were allowed to shoot people, out of hand, if I was sure they had raped someone… that might fix it too.

It might fix it if I could just shoot people I thought might/i> rape people. That would keep them in line. I could start with a bit of “loving correction” in the form of a stern lecture mild if they were engaging misogynist speech. If they kept provoking me, having had it explained to them, then I could engage in a mild beating; a slap or two, maybe a gut-punch. Third time, well it’s the whip or the gun: I mean they obviously didn’t love women enough to not “provoke” me.

It’s not as if they wouldn’t know it might happen, not after the first two times I explained it to them.

Right?

That’s a stupid idea. Because it’s morally wrong. Just as it’s morally wrong to decided a class of people ought to be denied full rights and participation. Women (much as you would love it to not be true) are just as good as you are (most are better, but we’ll leave that lie).

And you… not brave enough to stick out the thread when it was still lively. Again you try to slink in and get in the last word. So really… Grade C asshat.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, Meller. Nice of you to try and wave away rape and domestic violence as mere “misbehavior.” Those are crimes, you asshole.

Let’s not forget, you’re a disgusting person who laughs at cancer patients and the killing of women. Fuck off.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Just because you don’t get it, Mellertoad:

Ithiliana–February 12, 2012 @2:31pm

“graduate student “murdered” by ex-husband”

Take post cited above. Could woman who talks like that (over the ‘net) have such an unpleasant, unfeminine, and just plain horrid personality that she could say something that MAY provoke an unpleasant response from a nearby man who may already be troubled about something else. Look at all of the cases you read about where a murder or vicious assault or rape was committed by a man whose entire life was coming apart, and the very person—his wife–whom he was relying upon to keep what was left of his sanity was turning on him…

Did graduate student take her “how to handle men” or something like that from YOU?

I was explaining that a man who loved his nearest and dearest would do anything to avoid the spousal abuse so often cited on feminuttery websites and blogs like this, because it wouldn’t get him what he wanted! I would rather be kind, gentle, and loving to a woman than beat,rape, or kill her, and so would most men, for obvious reasons!

Gee, Ithiliana, for an intelligent woman, you sure have a lot of trouble understanding ordinary common sense, don’t you?

Polliwog
8 years ago

Meller perpetually makes me need baby animals.

Ergo, baby walrus time:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/nyregion/orphaned-baby-walrus-to-arrive-at-new-york-aquarium.html?_r=0

pecunium
8 years ago

I passed this by the first time but…

Do women(?) infesting the armed forces deserve any better? Why are there women “soldiers anyhow? Okay, there are far too many men soldiers in the world–or even in our wretched USSA type of fascism/corporatism/ kleptocracy–but certainly expanding this “opportunity” to the fair sex does nothing for the rest of us!

Look on the bright side–these women (speaking charitably) being “raped” or sexually harassed” are showing how tough, brutal and masculine they are, they are being (or at least imitating) the warrior creed that has so often degraded and brutalized men throughout history!

What they allow is for the draft to not be re-instated; the same is true for letting blacks/hispanics/non-US citizens to enlist too: that’s quite apart from them keeping the overall demographic a little closer to that of the polity as a whole.

No, women in the armed forces don’t deserve better than other women. They don’t deserve better than other people. No one should be harassed, or raped. Male/Female/Trans. No one deserves to be raped.

But you don’t care. You want a world of Gorean slave girls, where women who don’t want to be Holly Homemaker are sold to the local brothels, where Henry Husband can stop by after work and have a bit of, “fun” before he heads to the house for Holly’s home-cooking.

I wish I could pity you, it would be easier. Thinking of you like a homeless puppy, something which only needs a bit of love, warmth and kindness to make happy. But that won’t do it. You, like NWO, will only be happy when women are oppressed.

pecunium
8 years ago

And… I missed this in my response, because I was blinkered by the question you asked… letting them serve allows them to do what they want.

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