Oh, ladies, you poor, deluded ladies, so unaware of the basic facts about yourselves. If only you had an objective source for information on the mystery that is you! Happily, a Men’s Rights Redditor by the name of nigglereddit has decided to throw a giant clue your way:
You may want to step back and take a look at the entire thread here, especially nigglereddit’s original post about the different ways he and his wife have responded to being new parents, in which he mocks his wife for what sounds very much like undiagnosed postpartum depression, blaming her misery not on brain chemistry or sleep deprivation or any of a zillion other things that tend to stress out new mothers but on all those terrible women’s magazines and books and TV shows she reads and/or watches.
Also, he pats himself on the back for being a totally cool and awesome dude who handles both his job and his duties as a father in a super awesome way — way better than his wife handles her new motherhood — because he’s a man, damnit, and totally able to see the world in an objective way.
Needless to day, this meaty slab of misogynist shitthatneverthappened got dozens up upvotes from the r/mensrights regulars.
Thanks to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to this terrible post.
EDITED TO ADD:
Speaking of which, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread. A-one and a-two.
Apparently what you do not know is…and brace yourself because this is SO SHOCKING…the police often talk to the suspect. I know I CANNOT BELIEVE IT. IT IS SO HORRIBLE that police did their jobs.
Do you need help putting your pants on in the morning? No one can be this stupid.
@ideologuereview
“Against violence” does not actually equal advocating for people to smash other people’s faces in, regardless of how justified you may personally feel that face-smashing to be. Paul Elam is not against violence; he advocates it.
What was your problem with this article again, FactFailer? That’s an abusive person getting hit, right there.
Protip: both Jezebel and Elam have been criticized by feminists, but all I’ve seen you doing is making excuses for the latter.
He doesn’t even get that the Jezebel article supports our point. Absolutely none of the examples in there compare to “grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.” And it’s Jezebel, FFS.
Dumber than a bottle of flat ginger ale, this one. He keeps proving it, over and over.
Tulgey’s right. Feminists have criticized several Jezebel posts, including the one linked by IR/FF/PP.
@princessbonbon
I was referring to this.
The double standards are huge in the MRM, because female victims are told they cause their own abuse by being “button pushers”. First, women are told to appease their abusers to prevent the abuse, and then blamed when the abuse happens anyway. Then comes the victim blaming statements like “Why doesn’t she just leave?”. This is the crap MRA’s say about male on female intimate partner violence.
MRA’s then turn around and say that if a woman slaps them, they get a free pass to severely beat the woman in retaliation. Like others said, that is escalation, not self defense. Self defense is only meant to be done as a last resort, not as a way to “put a woman in her place”.
I agree the Jezebel article was wrong. It is wrong for anyone of any gender to hit someone else. The “Bash a Violent B*tch” post was much worse, though, because it was MRA’s fantasizing about violently beating women based on a hypothetical situation. It’s disturbing that MRA’s spend so much time trying to dream up situations where they think it’d be okay to beat women.
If a woman actually acts in self-defense against a physically abusive male partner, MRAs call it evidence of reciprocal violence.
Actually it tends to make it escalate. Which if you were not being willfully stupid you would know that.
It’s disturbing that MRA’s spend so much time trying to dream up situations where they think it’d be okay to beat women.
They don’t have to dream about it, there have been a number of articles on Elam’s site written by men who have been victims of physical abuse and false accusations.
No you were not. If you were, you would have actually referenced it. And again, this is the stupidest case to use to claim that the defendants lives were totally and completely ruined.
Because they were not. Do I need to tell your nurse that you are on the internet?
Where in this:
does it give the men the right to do this:
Nowhere.
Just because you dressed your sexism and MRA apologetics in a lack of swears does not mean you have been courteous.
@IR
See ShakaKhan’s comment, “That is incredibly misandrist and demeaning to victims of abuse…” etc.
IdeologueReview:
I was referring to this
Princessbonbon:
If you were, you would have actually referenced it.
My post can be found here, in which I state:
To address those claiming that the accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case had been discredited, it would be more accurate to say that the investigators and the prosecutor had been discredited for their unscrupulous tactics. If there really was evidence that a rape had occurred, then why withhold and destroy evidence?
This would more imply evidence which can be withheld and destroyed and not witness testimonies. I am curious where you got the impression I was referring to witness testimonies. You can step up or back down from an explanation as you wish, obviously, and I’ll learn something either way.
So far, you seem pretty impervious to learning. But hope springs eternal!
Like I said, cloudiah, I know you treat everyone you disagree with like this, and I know it only does favors for antifeminists.
I think I’m starting to understand IR’s logic here. So I’m against violence, la-dee-da, but then there was the time my ex (when we were still together) grabbed a hunk of the skin at my ribs really hard because I was playing and he got annoyed. So that means I could have taken revenge* by slamming his head against the sidewalk or something (assuming I was physically capable of doing so), and it would be totally justifiable AND I could still say I was against violence. Right? Or does it only count for men who want to “bash violent bitches”?
*Just to be clear, that thought had never crossed my mind. My reaction was more tears and shock and fear, and other shit that comes with being physically overpowered in a painful and unexpected way.
Let’s be clear: it’s not just escalation Elam is advocating. Elam is advocating bloodying someone’s face against a wall and making them clean up the mess afterwards. In other words, his article advocates violent sadism and becoming an abuser. All this is without even beginning to analyze how terrible Elam’s ideas are for actual men who are victims of abuse.
Still waiting for FactFailer to stop making excuses. (I won’t hold my breath.)
Now you’re just projecting things onto me that you know I disagree with. I think that’s against Mr. Futrelle’s comments policy, so you might want to be careful.
I think what the lackwit is saying is he is going to learn if a feminist can admit they are wrong (despite it happening before and directly to him.)
And I was incorrect as to that portion. He still has yet to show his proof that the defendants in that case have had their lives destroyed.
Which is why I said this:
Go ahead and show us how this has had any negative impact whatsoever on these men’s lives. You have not shown anything outside of the system working exactly how it was supposed to.
Do tell, what are we projecting onto you Preggo Punchout?
Go ahead and show us how this has had any negative impact whatsoever on these men’s lives.
The basis for this lawsuit?
Funny, that. I had a big disagreement with my boss this week. He’s a smart guy, and ethical, and I have tons of respect for him, but he was just wrong about something. We hashed it out today, and I convinced him to try it my way. And I didn’t even hit him once!
You on the other hand are an internet troll. You are racist, misogynistic, and dumb. So meh, pigeon piss in your eye, for all I care. Whether you respond or not, I’ll learn more from taking out the trash either way.
You have not shown anything outside of the system working exactly how it was supposed to.
Other than withholding evidence and trying to frame “privileged white males” to win votes from this controlling patriarchy? Do prosecutors with political ambitions usually get fired and sued after these flawless executions of justice?
And what is worrying is not what happened to those kids. What is worrying is that if this one scandal is caught before it has a chance to reach the courts, how many more like this case make it through the courts and land men in jail?