Oh, ladies, you poor, deluded ladies, so unaware of the basic facts about yourselves. If only you had an objective source for information on the mystery that is you! Happily, a Men’s Rights Redditor by the name of nigglereddit has decided to throw a giant clue your way:
You may want to step back and take a look at the entire thread here, especially nigglereddit’s original post about the different ways he and his wife have responded to being new parents, in which he mocks his wife for what sounds very much like undiagnosed postpartum depression, blaming her misery not on brain chemistry or sleep deprivation or any of a zillion other things that tend to stress out new mothers but on all those terrible women’s magazines and books and TV shows she reads and/or watches.
Also, he pats himself on the back for being a totally cool and awesome dude who handles both his job and his duties as a father in a super awesome way — way better than his wife handles her new motherhood — because he’s a man, damnit, and totally able to see the world in an objective way.
Needless to day, this meaty slab of misogynist shitthatneverthappened got dozens up upvotes from the r/mensrights regulars.
Thanks to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to this terrible post.
EDITED TO ADD:
Speaking of which, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread. A-one and a-two.
Okay, take this chance to learn with a little game called “count the disavowals of Thomas Ball’s call to violence by Elam anywhere near Thomas Ball’s call to violence”.
Why does it have to be on the same page? If people want to learn about the Paul Elam’s ideology, they can learn about it and they will learn that Paul Elam is against violence. If they want to back their pathological labels of people who disagree with them, they’ll find “evidence” of that and use it to further cocoon themselves in an ideological bubble.
Tulgey Logger: Oh lord, you’re precious.
Why do you keep going out of your way to belittle me? If you are a feminist, then isn’t the feminist movement more about respect and education than anger and dismissal?
For public record, everyone deserves a birthday octopus 😀 Share away! (Assuming it’s okay with Myoo.)
Nice one. As a woman, I’ve never been called unintelligent or irrational before – especially not by someone in the Manosphere.
IKR? Why are women so goshdarn mad about sexism?
“Paul Elam is against violence”
You mean the guy who suggested domestic violence awareness month be replaced with “bash a violent bitch month”? And something about beating a woman’s face in so “a few million red corpuscles” come out of her? And then making her clean up the mess? The guy who gets an erection at the thought of “fucking [feminists’] shit up”? Are we talking about the same Paul Elam here?
“Isn’t the feminist movement more about respect and education than anger and dismissal?”
At first, sure, but if you show up in a feminist space over and over and talk about stupid things and generally prove you’re an ass tart, don’t expect the sun to shine out of people’s asses for you.
Tulgey, jeez, I just skimmed Elam’s piece earlier; it’s obviously worse than I thought.
Oh man, ideologuereview, I am valuing your freedom of expression so hard right now. I really love that you are expressing yourself in accord with your deepest values. Like Preggo Punchout? It just says so much about you. I am glad that you express yourself, in accord with the deepest principles of The US Republic Of America.
Because people are not psychic. Because putting it under “Activism” communicates the opposite of “I do not endorse what this says.”
Paul Elam is against violence… almost a year ago. Meanwhile his front page continues to tout Thomas Ball’s call to violence as “Activism.” Here he is from a year before that, advocating the escalation of violence:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/if-you-see-jezebel-in-the-road-run-the-bitch-down/
All of that, on top of his vow that he would not convict an actual rapist. He would eagerly enable rape, in other words.
Preggo Punchout, cretin. You haven’t earned the credibility to politely ask that anyone educate you. By the way, pretending that you don’t go out of your way to belittle others because you couch it in “civil” diction is not something anyone else here is fooled by.
If you want education, it is time for you to step back, shut up, and start paying attention. If you want to be treated as an equal in a space like this, then quit making excuses for Paul fucking Elam.
Yeah. The part where he says “How articulate” is kind-of-sort-of defendable (but really not), but by the end he is just channeling minstrel acts. I haven’t looked at the comments since yesterday, but I do not recall Nurdy Dancing calling Elam out for this. AVFM is such a miserable place; the contrast between Elam and Crommunist really could not be clearer.
Man, if Nurdy Dancing ever did try to call Paulie out publicly, you know she would get a slightly more genteel version of the treatment Andie got at the hands of Darryl X…
I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
Reverse the genders and you have a made-for-TV-movie. And feminism says that men and women are equal, so you feminists should not be so offended.
The article was in response to a Jezebel article condoning violence against men, by the way. To David’s credit, he said that article was “annoying”.
You haven’t earned the credibility to politely ask that anyone educate you.
I offer the opportunity for you to explain your views, which you can step up to or back down from. I learn something either way.
If you want education, it is time for you to step back, shut up, and start paying attention. If you want to be treated as an equal in a space like this, then quit making excuses for Paul fucking Elam.
I don’t really care how you treat me, however, because I know you’d treat anyone who disagreed with you like that. It seems even minimal courtesy can be seen as a faux pas here here, so I’m sure you’d find a rationalization for your cruelty.
Did you even read what you just quoted?
That’s called escalation, fool. That’s not self-defense. That article was advocating violence.
@ideologuereview That is incredibly misandrist and demeaning to victims of abuse. It ignores the psychological issues at play and the real fallout that could occur from physical retaliation against abuse. If it were as easy as ‘smacking your abusers face against the wall’ (10 bucks he got a hard on while typing that) then all victims of abuse anywhere would need to do is learn how to fight better. Maybe get a gun. And abuse would be done with.
But, just like telling women to carry mace isn’t going to end rape, telling victims of abuse to simply take on their abusers isn’t going to end abuse. To say so, even if it’s simply a personal fantasy, is insulting.
Hahaha, you know no such thing. I’ve been on r/mensrights and been much more reserved than this, all the while taking anger and strawmen for my views. You can blame your fellow MRAs for draining my patience for your lot.
That’s called escalation, fool. That’s not self-defense. That article was advocating violence.
It was advocating violence against chronically violent people who think their victims will not fight back. If one fights back, they probably will not be violent anymore.
Nope!
Wrong again.
That’s three wrong for three at bats, yer out!
Hahaha, you know no such thing. I’ve been on r/mensrights and been much more reserved than this, all the while taking anger and strawmen for my views. You can blame your fellow MRAs for draining my patience for your lot.
No, I believe in personal accountability.
IRFF just radiates the feeling that he doesn’t care how you treat him, doesn’t he?
I don’t think you are stupid and I don’t think you are ignorant. I think you know you are lying.
Yeah, I’m sure that bashing someone’s head into the wall will put them at severe risk of Not Being Able To Do A Whole Lot, Period.
Can anyone imagine the rage we’d see from the MRM if Feministe or Jezebel posted a “Shoot Your Abusive Husband, Ladies” article? I can. We’ve already seen plenty over women getting mitigated sentences for doing just that.
Gah, he bolded the wrong part. The part that gave Paulie an erection to write:
Paulie makes it perfectly clear he isn’t talking about proportional violence done in self defense, stopped when you’re safe. He is talking about out-of-proportion violence as punishment against a woman who doesn’t know her place. If a woman shoves you or hits you in the shoulder, then you get to fracture bones, make her bleed, and give her a concussion — that is the kind of violence that turns your mighty leader Paulie on. And what is perfectly clear here, IR, is that you support him because it also turns you on. Just like it turns you on to fantasize about pregnant women punching each other, and to compare African Americans to gorillas. Because at heart, you are a disturbed, violent, misogynistic, and racist person who seeks validation for the ideas in your head.
Don’t look for that here.
Preggo Punchout.
@thebewilderness
Actually, I have a link to the article right here: Have You Ever Beat Up A Boyfriend? Cause, Uh, We Have