I know I’ve asked this before, but what exactly leads so many MRAs and PUAs and so forth to monologue like mad scientists and/or comic book supervillains? In the past, I’ve noted this in the writings of “Ferdnand Bardamu” of the late, lamentable In Mala Fide. But this sort of thing is everywhere. It’s amazing how many manosphere manifestos seem to be leading up to a malevolent “muahahaha! And now I will have my revenge!”
The MRA who calls himself Glori-US Bastard provides us with a convenient recent example in a post with the somewhat baffling title “Dear feminist, American Woman, and White Knights-a message from those who no longer desire you.”
The whole thing is very monologuey, but here’s my favorite bit — aimed, presumably, at “American Woman” and perhaps her friend “feminist.”
We do not hate you, but we no longer care about you either. For years, we tried to prove to you that we actually just wanted to be around you and not just have sex. Your obsession with our visual response to your body as “evil” while you manipulated us for cash prizes has so desensitized us too your wants and needs; we have become the true pussy hounds you most fear! The hounds that only “desire you” when we want a piece of you; discarding you after. You can hold your affection and desire; they have become too twisted and crazy; you should see a shrink for drugs for that fetish you carry in your mind sweetheart. Those surpluses of marriage dresses on TV are there for a reason!
Uh, “marriage dresses?”
Sorry, didn’t mean to interrupt. He continues:
Your emotional well being will not be a priority to men of the future. I pray for your daughter’s sake that she is ok with working her whole life not having any kids; and making friends with a lot of foreign women who will start to slowly replace her.
You have failed.
Oh, ok, here’s a little more, from further on in the rant:
You have guaranteed a place for yourself at every table through subterfuge. You have stolen seats of power not through hard work and perseverance but by the threat of the State’s gunpoint and accountants. Many men who devoted their lives to their success have lost everything, you think they should vote your way because?
You have failed.
Look, I could go all day!
That I do not doubt.
It is the end of day, and you are running out of others money; and you have run out of your men’s patience! However, you will not see the anger outside of the redness of our faces. You are physically secure from harm; for now, until your violent brood of fatherless “youth” turn on you and all of us. We will defend ourselves, but not you! This is a trap.
You don’t see it do you? The fact that men are now indifferent means that you will now have to earn your keep. Your rejection of your men, will now lead to their rejection of you.
Muahahaha! And then I will have my revenge!
I can’t help but think of Bela Lugosi’s famous monologue from Ed Wood’s Bride of the Monster:
Take some notes, MRAs. That is how it is done.
EDITED TO ADD: Glori-US B. has written a sort of rebuttal to this post.
If the Mosuo are anything to go by, I think that’s definitely true. And good news too; the absence of the nuclear family structure does automatically imply that we can no longer raise happy children in a functional and interdependent society – we just may have to go about it differently.
Shiraz: There may be some differences between Catholic and fundamentalist thought on the topic, too.
The artifical womb link isn’t scary, “Sharon.” I don’t think it’s going to make women cry and beg to be knocked-up. At least, it’s not having that affect on me. At all. Some might even welcome such a technology to release them from the burden of producing the next generation.
@Katz. Yep, I’m sure there are.
As a feminist, I’m all for artificial wombs, since that means that I wouldn’t have to be pregnant (oh, and I guess it would be useful for gay men, single men, and infertile women, but mostly I like the idea of not being pregnant.)
I read about uterine replicators in Lois McMaster Bujold’s sci-fi and I nearly CRIED! With JOY! Maybe I’m just taken by the shininess of it, but I can see so many advantages to it.
Sharon: Good find. You’ll make a great Internet Feminist yet.
So, the “farming model” referred to there is the cultural-conservative notion that reduces women to their reproductive capacity; the woman is analogous to a stretch of field, to be planted and harvested by men to men’s own ends. But like primitive methods of actual farming, technology-free woman-farming is sloppy and inefficient. There is no guarantee, for example, that one’s wife will produce a healthy son, and the cost of tending one’s land and guarding it from tresspassers is high.
However with the appropriate technology, the process can be streamlined, and with a sufficiently advanced technology, the costly and inefficient natural land can replaced entirely with a factory-farm or a substrate. In a world where the only value of women is their reproductive capacity, the need for caring for and tending the land (however ulterior-motivated) is gone.
But see the issue is not the particular technology itself – which is neither intrinsically good nor bad – but the particular system in which it is used. In the hands of a system in which females are only useful for their reproductive capacity, the advent of artificial wombs renders women worthless. But in the hands of a system where females are valued for more than just their reproductive capacity, and have intrinsic value, an artificial womb could be a tool for her liberation; an opportunity for her to return from being ploughed and worked for produce to growing a beautiful forest, or whatever her nature intends.
Further reading
TL;DR Exactly what Niktike said: “Test tube babies and artificial wombs don’t make people “worthless” unless you think women are uteri with legs.”
I am 100% in favor of any technology that lets me avoid shoving a human head through my vagina.
Does the womb also raise the kids? It is just most guys I have met want kids but they want their other half to do the majority of the child care. I’d define having a child on men’s terms as not having to clean up the poop, vomit or mess and having it never cry. I am young though so most men I know don’t have children. Maybe it changes with fathers. It just seems that while most of my boyfriends wanted children (I didn’t) they didn’t want to do the work since that was my job.
@katz: Haha, I can’t imagine anyone disagreeing with that. Unfortunately, I think the whole “artificial womb” thing misses a whole heap of other evolved mechanisms and systems involved in giving birth apart from the simple objective of making a new human e.g. Nature’s perversely brutal way of creating the mother-child bond. Actually I think it’s kind of interesting that this aspect – specifically one that manifests in women’s subjective experience – is overlooked, even despite our knowledge of the physiological and chemical mechanisms behind it. I blame the Patriarchy.
Passive aggressive arsehole. Probably another dude trying to get his mail order bride business off the ground.
Interesting.
So what is the Church’s position on identical twins?
Sharon, please go find Bored Stick and the two of you can be happy together and leave us all the fuck alone.
I’m guessing that David posts links because we don’t all have the manosphere bookmarked like you do, yanno?
“Dear women, I don’t care about you at all. Not in the least. Now allow me to read you this lengthy piece I have written in order to fully illustrate how little I care”
Glori-US B. has written a rebuttal to my post: http://gloriusbastard.com/?p=894
I was right to doubt it would pan out.
El Bastardo Glorioso, I realize that English may not be your first language, but you really should not use semi-colons like that. I would settle for you learning how to write coherently, though.
This El Bastardo creature is seriously disturbed. What an incoherent mess.
David, I wouldn’t call that slop a rebuttal. You are far too generous. A rebuttal implied a reasoned and thought out response. That is nothing but the scattered ranting of a narcissistic beast, complete with references to his large penis and success with the ladies. It is important to him to emphasize these things since they are undoubtedly false. But perhaps in his mind, typing out the words makes them more true.
Well, that was hilarious! I sort of love it when they are so provoked by our mockery that they feel the need to write a post saying how little they care about it.
Oh Bastard, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I was going to try to respond, but I couldn’t puzzle out nearly half of what he said. The other half was nothing but “you’re all fat” over and over. I think he called us all “little harpy chocolates” at one point, but I’m not completely sure..
I couldn’t manage more than skimming that wall-o’-WTF, but I just have to highlight one bit that jumped out at me:
LITTLE HARPY CHOCOLATES.
I do not know what the hell that’s supposed to mean, but I love it. I want to start a band and name it Little Harpy Chocolates.
Aw, man, I got ninja’d on the little harpy chocolates.
Nonetheless…LITTLE HARPY CHOCOLATES. It bears repeating!
Hell, I would like to manufacture a line of Little Harpy Chocolates! Don’t tell me you wouldn’t eat this in dark or milk chocolate.