There are a lot of hair-raisingly reactionary dudes on The Spearhead, but perhaps none quite so hair-raising as the prolific commenter who calls himself Darryl X. Here are some of his pearls of wisdom, taken from a recent Spearhead thread. (Many of his comments in the thread were devoted to a sort of mini-vendetta against another Spearhead commenter, Andie, who had committed the crime of commenting while female; I’ve cut out most of that to focus on Darryl’s more timeless thoughts.) Fair warning: This is extreme stuff, even by Spearhead standards.
Since the solution for the past forty-four years was to kill and impoverish and exile and imprison men and steal their kids, I’d say sending women to live in a cave is a generous trade.
All women are feminists because all women (without a single exception) have benefited excessively from the legal, political, social and financial machine that feminists have created. And those benefits have all come at the expense of the lives and livelihoods of tens of millions of men and children (in the US alone). When all my financial resources and children which women stole have been returned to me and all women are living on the street to pay for it only then will there be fairness.
Feminism is a hate movement. It is a campaign of hate against men and children. And all women are evil until feminism has been destroyed and every women pays back repairations with interest. …
This is a war. And it will end only one way. The complete utter destruction of feminism and the women who participated in it and/or who sat by passively at let it happen. I have absolutely no sympathy and will demonstrate no mercy for any woman until I and other men have been compensated and women and feminists have been punished for their egregious crimes against humanity (preferably with death sentences). This is a war that women started and it will not end until every one of them has paid. …
Why Andie Must Pay for the Crimes of All Women
She’s a woman. She benefited from feminism more than any man. Even if she represents 20% of women who are not psychopaths, she must be compelled to take an active part in the destruction of feminists and feminism. … She must pay for her complicity … The consequences of her failure to stop feminism must be greater than the retaliation by feminists. Otherwise, there will be no incentive for women to help men. This is a war. If you aren’t fighting feminism and feminists, then you are helping them. Stopping feminism is fundamental to maintaining civilization.
Women are herd animals. … Women are much easier to control and manipulate than boys … Boys have to be drugged. Girls come pre-drugged.
Women have choices. If they want rights and privileages, then they must have responsibilities. Presently, women vote. But they are not held accountable for the consequences of their choices when they vote. Most men have no choices. If they want to live. Women are not women today. They are whores. Big difference.
Women and feminists are opportunists. They are … looking for someone else at whom to point fingers of blame and cast aspersions and pick up the tab as they now understand that responsible men have nothing left to steal. They’re just looking for the next host on which to parasitize.
We’re Still Hunting the Mammoth to Feed You
[M]ost of the taxes that men are currently paying fund the excessive lifestyles of women … [M]en do all the work and women do little or nothing.
I have been actively fighting feminism for more than thirty years. I have racked up quite a list of those who have made the mistake of getting in my cross-hairs. … Many a feminist federal employee and university professor have watched their careers and their lives come apart after picking a fight with me. … I don’t have television or cable or internet and cell phone or land line or refrigerator or microwave. Hunting feminists is my hobby.
Unhappy hunting!
I’d love to make lace, though I have no real use for it! The great laces of the seventeenth century make me go all wobbly just looking at them. (Think the period of Van Dyck’s portraits, those sort of lace falling bands and cuffs.)
The deal with the patterns is the require a system; Japan has one, and there are people who are adopting it. It takes a CAD program (or similar) to make them, but they are compact. I’m told the single sheet which is being used for the shawl requires something like 27 page to write.
That kind of lace, the 17th century stuff, can’t be made any more because of child labor laws.
Interesting – all the images I’ve seen of lace-makers of the time are of adults, though I suppose like most crafts one started learning it very early.
Actually, Cloudiah, that’s exactly how it works. And thanks, Dave, for allowing me to post. Angry? Yes. But I have a good reason. The angriest. I dunno. I know a lot angrier. I would never do anything violent. But I do how to affect a change for the better concerning many innocent men in the same circumstances I am in.
Almost all men in prison for child support arrears are too poor to comply with the orders. And the Bradley Amendment prevents any order for child support from being reduced.
During the past forty-four years in the US, approximately one-third of adult men (~32-million) have been ordered to pay excessive child support. Approximately 17% of adult men currently are ordered to pay excessive child support and approximately 8.5% currently are in arrears. Approximately 10% of adult men currently eligible for work (ie. not retired) are in arrears. (That’s the percent of adult men minus the percent who are not eligible for work because they are retired.) Before decline of the economy began accelerating in 2007, approximately one-quarter of men ordered to pay child support were or had been in arrears. Since acceleration began, approximately one-half are. At the end of 2011 for example, 70-80% of obligors in the states of Ohio and Illinois were in arrears and more than 42% in the state of New York were.
Almost all men support their children the best they can without interference by the mothers or the governments. Only a very tiny percent of men who owe child support (of approximately thirty-million during the past forty-four years) deliberately refuse to pay but because they have been forcibly separated and alienated from their own children. Approximately ten-percent of all child support obligors (almost all men) are not even the real fathers for whom they pay child support. Another six-percent for whom arrears continue to accumulate are in fact dead. Most people are unaware of the considerable abuses of our family court and child support enforcement industries.
If you had a great-paying job and your child support was calculated and ordered as a function of that great-paying job, you can’t get your child support lowered because of the Bradly Amendment. Then the judge orders you to jail because you go into arrears. Approximately fifty-thousand men currently are in prison for child support arrears. During the past forty years, approximately one-quarter million have been. Almost all of them are unable to pay.
I’ve been in jail even though I’m paying ninety-five-percent of what I owe every year. Of $30,000 a year. For two children. A little excessive don’t you think. Even in a good economy, these measures are draconian. But in a bad economy they are downright tyrannical. Imagine losing contact with your children and then being forced to pay more than 80% of your take home pay (going into arrears the other 15%) for your ex-wife to commit adultery and then being ordered to jail because you cannot afford to pay the other 15%.
And then imagine getting to retirement age and an age which you cannot work anymore and then being condemned to the street because you have no money left. Not a very good life for someone who has never committed a crime and who has made significant contributions to civilization and the sciences and technogy. And does not get to benefit at all from the public assistance programs to which I made a disproportionately great contribution and others did not but still get to benefit. As the US continues on this way, it will ultimately discourage anyone who actually support civilization from ever contributing. And then civilization will devolve. Rapidly. It’s happened many times before throughout history. There’s nothing different now to prevent it from happening again. And slavery is a very inefficient way to coerce labor from men.
So, according to the census bureau, there are about 70 million fathers in the US. 25 million live as part of a married couple with their children. 2 million are single fathers. It’s unclear how many fathers of adult children there are (I can’t find the data on parenthood published separately), but let’s estimate that for every one living with their children currently there’s another with adult children. (I figure that, on average, people start dealing with the deaths of their parents in their 40s, so fathers spend about the same amount of time living with their children as they do surviving after their children are adults.) So, 32 million non-custodial fathers is, I guess, almost reasonable.
But for your numbers to work, all of those fathers would have to be paying excessive child support. So the question is, is there any amount of child support you would not consider excessive?
Darryl, in the original thread, you tore into Andie for daring to suggest that you were angry. You called her a “typical woman” for thinking you might have an emotion, and used her attempt to empathize as a reason to dismiss and demean her. Now you come over here say “sure I’m angry, and I have good reason”. Do you get a kick out of screaming at women who are trying to befriend you, or were you trying to impress the other men by beating your chest like a caveman, or what?
“Imagine losing contact with your children and then being forced to pay more than 80% of your take home pay (going into arrears the other 15%) for your ex-wife to commit adultery and then being ordered to jail because you cannot afford to pay the other 15%.” — Darryl-X
Actually you are being ‘forced’ to pay for your children’s livelihoods (schooling, clothing, food, etc.) The fact that you believe that the money is paying for your ex-wife to have sex with other people (it’s not adultery if she’s your ex wife!) makes me think that you are irrational and probably not really a good custodial parent anyway. It also calls into question your honesty when I look at your self-reported percentages of what you pay to so that your kids won’t starve.
What exactly counts as “excessive” child support may I ask?
And what alternative do you suggest to child support? If parents of children separate, it is only fair that the parents both still contribute to their upkeep.
Otherwise you will end with children living in needless poverty.
What other system do you suggest? I have no doubt that the current one is not perfect, no system is. But I cannot see what system would work better.
You seem to resent paying the child support, however how can you resent paying for your children to heat, to be warm, to have a roof over their heads and to have clothes and shoes that fit.
Most parents spend the vast majority of their income on these things anyway, children are expensive, that’s just how it goes, and you can’t give that up simply because you are not with the mother of your children any more, you are still their father and they are still your responsibility.
I knew a divorced man who made a reliable six figures in an all-cash business. Because the income he actually reported was extremely low, his child support payment was only $25 per month. And all he ever talked about is how he’s forced to pay his ex-wife to have sex with another man. (Nevermind that they were divorced, and that HE had a girlfriend. The fact that the ex-wife was also seeing someone else apparently constituted “adultery” in his mind.)
@Amused and again there we see that this is really about controlling “their” women and children and the feeling of rage engendered by ‘that b*tch taking MY MONEY” and making her own choices with it. And they wonder why their wives left them and got custody. Ugh.
Forget child support. It’s like arguing with a rabid anti-Semite, who laments that “Hitler didn’t finish the job,” over the limits of religious tolerance. This is a man who said any woman who identifies as a feminist, or any woman how has in any way benefited from feminism, should be executed. That includes me, every woman in my family, and every other woman who has ever voted, had a job other than secretarial or customer service, enjoyed anesthesia while giving birth, or went to college (to study anything besides home economics). His original post also includes threats, implicit in the statement that anyone who has ever had the temerity to argue with him in the past had her life “come apart”.
There is no room for “dialogue” with someone who wishes you dead, along with your mother, grandmother, sisters and daughters. There is no room for “dialogue” with someone who is only willing to back off the execution talk as far as you being reduced to chattel with no rights and no recognized status as a human being. And I don’t care how “angry” he is. In the end, rational human beings choose what they want to become regardless of how well or how badly the world has treated them. He’s certainly made his choice.
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But, but, didn’t you read his missive? He’s not a violent man! He would never hurt anyone! I totally believe him too. *checks that it’s difficult to link this account with my meatbag*
Well put. I’m willing to talk with MRAs who think Bradley should be amended and/or the child support system improved. I’m not willing to talk to anyone — MRA or not — who considers his ex-wife and children as nothing more than property he’s been “deprived” of, or who thinks all women should be dead, imprisoned, or completely subjugated to men.
Citation needed. Seriously.
The last case to come out of the Supreme Court regarding contempt for non payment of child support had a good point about ensuring that the rights of the noncustodial parent were respected. In that case, the judge did nothing to inquire about the father’s changed economic circumstances. Even then the man was spending all of the money he did have on drugs. I actually know that drug addiction is an illness and should be treated-which means that he should have sought treatment and then used whatever money he could to pay for his children’s care. The man should have also brought all paperwork from his lack of a job, his lack of being hired (many employers send letters of rejection), and other ways of showing he was unable to pay the same amount he could when working.
Here is Florida’s way of seeking to have your child support order changed.
Here is Washington State’s pamphlet on it.
This information is easy to find and use. At some point it stops being “oh the poor man is being screwed by the system” and becomes “this man is willfully refusing to live up to his obligations.” Even the world’s most patient judge will get tired of a person who makes zero effort to help themselves.
You may have not read anything on this page before but we check and verify crap you spout..
THIS is the Bradley Amendment.
In it is says:
(10) Review and adjustment of support orders upon request.—
(A) 3-year cycle.—
(i) In general.— Procedures under which every 3 years (or such shorter cycle as the State may determine), upon the request of either parent or if there is an assignment under part A of this subchapter, the State shall with respect to a support order being enforced under this part, taking into account the best interests of the child involved—
(I) review and, if appropriate, adjust the order in accordance with the guidelines established pursuant to section 667 (a) of this title if the amount of the child support award under the order differs from the amount that would be awarded in accordance with the guidelines;
(II) apply a cost-of-living adjustment to the order in accordance with a formula developed by the State; or
(III) use automated methods (including automated comparisons with wage or State income tax data) to identify orders eligible for review, conduct the review, identify orders eligible for adjustment, and apply the appropriate adjustment to the orders eligible for adjustment under any threshold that may be established by the State.
(ii) Opportunity to request review of adjustment.— If the State elects to conduct the review under subclause (II) or (III) of clause (i), procedures which permit either party to contest the adjustment, within 30 days after the date of the notice of the adjustment, by making a request for review and, if appropriate, adjustment of the order in accordance with the child support guidelines established pursuant to section 667 (a) of this title.
(iii) No proof of change in circumstances necessary in 3-year cycle review.— Procedures which provide that any adjustment under clause (i) shall be made without a requirement for proof or showing of a change in circumstances.
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What does that show? Why it shows that the orders can be MODIFIED.
Nothing in that says that the amounts cannot be reduced-in fact it says that it should be reviewed to see if it needs to be changed. And it goes on to say “hey, bring the proof dummy.” Well okay not that specific wording but it should.
Oh and lookee here:
(15) Procedures to ensure that persons owing overdue support work or have a plan for payment of such support.— Procedures under which the State has the authority, in any case in which an individual owes overdue support with respect to a child receiving assistance under a State program funded under part A of this subchapter, to issue an order or to request that a court or an administrative process established pursuant to State law issue an order that requires the individual to—
(A) pay such support in accordance with a plan approved by the court, or, at the option of the State, a plan approved by the State agency administering the State program under this part; or
(B) if the individual is subject to such a plan and is not incapacitated, participate in such work activities (as defined in section 607 (d) of this title) as the court, or, at the option of the State, the State agency administering the State program under this part, deems appropriate.
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Does your tiny mind understand this? This means that if you are behind in your support, do not duck those calls, go down to the state and take your paperwork showing why you are in arrears and work something out. And if you are unable to work? You can show them that!
Most of the time it is people who refuse to go to court (and in some cases, I can see why, court is terrifying) who get those orders sending them to jail. But you have to adult up and get your ass down there to work it out because it is not about YOU or YOUR EX, it is about your CHILD.
From what I gathered from Wikipedia, the Bradley amendment only prohibits retroactive reductions in payment, meaning that payments that are already past due can’t be reduced. It says nothing about future payments, so if you know you can’t afford the payments I’m pretty sure you can request an alteration without the Bradley amendment having anything to do with it.
Now, some people might find themselves overwhelmed by the legal process, which is why I think affordable legal assistance should be provided when necessary, but this something that is common to the whole legal system, it is in no way unique to child support payments.
*this is something
So here’s the thing about Darryl’s rant. “Excessive” is inherently a subjective thing, so where do these numbers come from, and how were they arrived at? Who decides what’s excessive? Also, 30K a year sounds like it’s probably a lot less than it actually costs to raise 2 kids (obviously this will depend heavily on where the kids live, but where I live that sounds totally reasonable). And then there’s the fact that a person who is divorced can’t commit adultery unless the person they’re sleeping with is married, on account of that whole “divorced” thing meaning that they are no longer married.
Shorter version – you’re being completely unreasonable.
If he doesn’t have the internet then how is he posting on it?
Why the hell are you necroing old threads?