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“You can’t have social equality for women without sexual equality for men,” and other completely baffling Men’s Rights slogans.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, a bunch of the locals are doing a little brainstorming, hoping to come up with a pithy slogan or two for posters that will allow them to better sell their alleged movement to the misandrist masses.

The results so far are, well, intriguing. The front-runner, so far, is this highly upvoted one from deluks917, though as you can see it has received some criticism:

Chernab0g’s contribution is short and to the point:

This one from unexpecteditem is a bit perplexing:

And this one from The_Real_Johnny_Utah is, if anything, even more unexpected than the one from unexpecteditem:

SuicideBanana seems to have a little trouble with his pith. Also, “huh?” Cthulufunk tries his best to play the race card, but unfortunately does not seem to be playing with a full deck:

Neofool’s slogan seems a bit defensive:

Oddly, none of them mentioned the “wicked new slogan” that Counter-Feminist Philosopher King Fidelbogen unveiled earlier this year: “Feminism spreads lies like a fly spreads germs.”

It’s frankly quite bizarre that MRAs haven’t SWARMED (get it? get it?) around this slogan yet. Not only is it clearly the greatest slogan since “The Best Part of Waking Up is Folgers in Your Cup,” but it also comes with a little graphic (see here on the right) that someone made for Mr. Bogen.

And no, despite its endearing amateurness it wasn’t put together as a joke by anyone here.

As wonderful as all these slogans are I think we can do a better job than the Reddit MRAs; after all, most of us know a lot more about the MRA than do most MRAs themselves. So have at it!

Oh, and speaking of posters, these have been going up recently in Vancouver. The r/MRer’s aren’t happy about it.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

The poor Dalai Lama, his life must be so terrible. That explains why he always seems so miserable, huh?

(This joke is probably less funny if you’ve never seen the Dalai Lama speak.)

Rahu
Rahu
12 years ago

@CassandraSays – I know! He must be sad about something sometimes, but he sure never seems that way!

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
12 years ago

I may have jumped the gun a bit with the owing sex part, but it doesn’t change the fact that thinking that not getting laid is something worth killing one’s self over is pretty fucking immature.

Well, imagine if even hookers wouldn’t touch you with a 10 foot pole, even if said pole had a condom over it. And you can’t jerk off because you don’t have use of your hands. In fact, let’s combine those two things into one with the assumption that you have a disfiguring disease that also precludes the use of your hands. But, once, you were fair to look upon, no stranger to a woman’s loving embrace, and now you cannot bear to look upon yourself in the mirror. Now, only the cold embrace of death will release you.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

If its socially, and legally acceptable for a man to pay for dates on the assumption of sex, it should be equally socially, and legally acceptable for him to skip the date.

What do you mean here? Are you complaining that sometimes a man will pay for a date with a woman, and the date doesn’t end with sex?

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@Grumbles

How about, instead of writing shitty Beauty and the Beast fanfiction, we look at the words of a person who actually was isolated from others for most of their lives.

“The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched – they must be felt with the heart.”
-Helen Keller.

To be honest, if I lost the use of my hands to a disfiguring disease. lack of sexual expression would probably be among the least of my worries.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

Well, imagine if even hookers wouldn’t touch you with a 10 foot pole, even if said pole had a condom over it. And you can’t jerk off because you don’t have use of your hands. In fact, let’s combine those two things into one with the assumption that you have a disfiguring disease that also precludes the use of your hands. But, once, you were fair to look upon, no stranger to a woman’s loving embrace, and now you cannot bear to look upon yourself in the mirror. Now, only the cold embrace of death will release you.

If that’s what’s going on in your life, that is really sad and I’m sorry to hear that.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

Now, only the cold embrace of death will release you.

Also, this is seriously fucking ableist. A lot of people have physical disabilities that prevent them from having normal sexual functions. That sure as hell doesn’t mean that their lives are over.

diogenes the cynic
diogenes the cynic
12 years ago

@Ugh

Some people might be ok living solitary lives too, but they’re the outliers.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@diogenes

If by “some people” you mean “roughly 2.4 billion people.” http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_single_in_the_world. Somehow I don’t think that the majority of them are miserable.

Also, “no sexual partner” is not the same thing as “solitary.” Deep personal connections do not require sexual intercourse,

diogenes the cynic
diogenes the cynic
12 years ago

@Rahu

Old ways of thinking are breaking down. I think we’ll see a lot more things being socially acceptable than in the past, like the way our government deals with drugs.

And I mean prostitution. Escorts, prostitutes, hookers. Whatever you want to call them.

What I meant by “skip the date” is that he could just go and pay for sex, without dating.

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
12 years ago

Also, this is seriously fucking ableist. A lot of people have physical disabilities that prevent them from having normal sexual functions. That sure as hell doesn’t mean that their lives are over.

Is that for you to decide? Surely you aren’t saying that disabled people don’t have the right to choose death because their doing so has Unfortunate Implications.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

What I meant by “skip the date” is that he could just go and pay for sex, without dating.

You realize that MRAs are about legalizing rape, not legalizing prostitution, right? If you want a serious movement to decriminalize prostitution, it would be some types of feminism.

The reason that MRAs are more focused on legalizing rape than prostitution is because it’s not actually about sex. It’s about control.

diogenes the cynic
diogenes the cynic
12 years ago

@Ugh

Lemme clarify.

If you look at the Maslow hierarchy of needs, you can see that the bottom of it is stuff you need to survive. The top is stuff you need to make the survival worthwhile.

Just as most of us need companionship, a sense of belonging, feelings of autonomy, we also need a good fuck once in a while.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

Surely you aren’t saying that disabled people don’t have the right to choose death because their doing so has Unfortunate Implications.

Nope, I’m saying that disabled people have more in their lives than waiting for death.

Also, that their struggles are about a hell of a lot more important and challenging than celibacy.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@diogenes

First, Maslow had virtually no empirical support for his hierarchy of needs. It was just a model.

Second., your hormones can’t tell the difference between partnered sex and masturbation. There isn’t some magic substance that gets released only when you have a partner.

diogenes the cynic
diogenes the cynic
12 years ago

@Ugh

srsly?

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@d

Is your srsly at my injection of actual science into this discussion?

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

How dare I suggest that a model of personality introduced by the 1950s psychological community to apply to all people everywhere based on no studies whatsoever might not be the be all and end all of human existence? When have baseless 1950s understandings of human personalities ever been wrong?

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

Wait, was his story about having a degenerative disease just a hypothetical and not his own life?

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
12 years ago

Does the Pope shit in the woods? Is the bear Catholic?

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@bionic

I’m pretty sure it was. He said “imagine” to make a point to aworld that there could theoretically be a time when women would owe a man sex or he’d be miserable forever and have to kill himself.

I mean, his story doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. There are a lot of sex toys and aids for the disabled, and many sex workers work specifically with disabled people.

I think he’s using his extremely ableist bullshit to make some kind of point supporting rape apologists

Rahu
Rahu
12 years ago

@Diogenes – Okay, so you’re interested in legalizing prostitution. As long as it’s consensual, adult and safe, I’m very in favor of prostitution. Are you aware that there are many places where it’s legal already?

And Ugh is right – the MRM isn’t really that interested in legalizing prostitution – they do want it so the men aren’t punished (which they usually aren’t already), and they want to make it OK to rape (again, usually legal already) and they want child prostitution/rape to not be considered as bad.

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
12 years ago

Nope, I’m saying that disabled people have more in their lives than waiting for death.

And, as I said, it’s not for you to decide. You’re generalizing. Abled people have the right to decide whether their lives are worth living, so too should those with disabilities.

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

Abled people have the right to decide whether their lives are worth living, so too should those with disabilities.

Very true. Which is why claiming that women not having sex with men is a human rights abuse because you think that a disabled person who couldn’t have sex would have nothing in life except death is condescending, ableist bullshit.

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
12 years ago

I’m pretty sure it was. He said “imagine” to make a point to aworld that there could theoretically be a time when women would owe a man sex or he’d be miserable forever and have to kill himself.

I mean, his story doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. There are a lot of sex toys and aids for the disabled, and many sex workers work specifically with disabled people.

I think he’s using his extremely ableist bullshit to make some kind of point supporting rape apologists

Now you’re just pulling shit out of your ass. There is no scenario where a woman owes a man sex, because if such a scenario existed, it would be equally true if the genders were reversed. What the fuck is this about rape apologists? They should definitely kill themselves; the world would be a better place without them.