You remember that big MRA-vs-feminists debate in Vancouver we were talking about the other day? The one later this month? In the car dealership? About whether or not feminism has “gone to too far?” Oh, and which doesn’t, so far, seem to involve any actual feminists?
In case no feminists decide to show up to a debate organized and moderated by MRAs, promoted only on MRA websites, and taking place in a car dealership run by an MRA, one Reddit MRA has a suggestion:
Yep, he really did just suggest that MRAs debate themselves, and then, with no sense of irony, say “Let’s not turn this debate into a MRA circlejerk.”
It’s hard to imagine a more perfect encapsulation of the Men’s Rights movement than this. MRAs are always eager to debate the imaginary feminists that live only in their own heads. Straw feminists are really the only feminists they know.
You might also enjoy TyphonBlue’s heroic special-snowflaking in the Reddit thread.
Those reviews are certainly, um, interesting.
I have say, though, that I’m most amused by the rather odd exchange comments on one of the positive reviews after someone accused the person who wrote the review of being one of the people who worked at the one of the people who worked at the dealership (“Chris”), and then Chris showed up in the comments to defend himself. (Insulting the people counts as defending yourself, right?)
David, it’s really appalling how little you know about so much.
While I know it’s true that you fight the good fight against straw mens rightsers every day, and in your pants, it is not true that all or even most mens rightsers or those at /r/mensrights fight against straw feminists.
If you would read the silly forum with head removed from butt this time, you’ll see that there are many comments and posts about feminist arguments, and many corrections in those posts to people strawmanning the arguments or worse.
The other day you completely failed to understand that the rules of this debate are the basic rules of most debates, including those at Intelligence Squared — I am not surprised you didn’t recognize Intelligence, squared, it seems very typical.
In fact though, as many forensic debates including the Lincoln Douglas debates, teams have to be prepared to argue both sides.
That’s what makes it interesting. That’s what makes it worthwhile.
As I have said, your schtick here is just awful, putrid stuff, and much of that is specifically because you refuse to treat people that disagree with you as humans, and you fail to respect them or listen to what they have to say.
There is a person strawmanning here David, and it is you, and it is why your blog is read inside the feministosphere where it is cheered on, and not many places elsewhere.
Like Nixon going to China, we have to respect and learn and talk to the people we disagree with, that is how progress is made and humanity comes together.
Wait, I thought that the terrible, awful problem with this blog and the reason David needs to dance for you like a monkey is that it’s taken too seriously by too many journalists and other important people, like the SPLC.
Tell you what, the day MRAs stop arguing that rape should be legal, and stop endorsing bills that deny domestic violence protections to men and women, is the day that we will come together and learn.
Since their entire movement is based on hatred, that day will sadly probably never come.
Says the man whose entire movement is about glorifying rapists and child abusers.
Damn it yes. David should not argue against “straw mens rightsers”. Straw men deserve their rights just as much as do human beings made of flesh and blood.
Look at how straw men are treated in the media! Take the Scarecrow from the Batman movies. Not only is he portrayed as a criminal, he’s shown to be a regular man wearing a mask! As if the true nature of straw was merely a personal affectation, as opposed to the core of a straw man’s identity. And don’t get me started on that straw-ist fiction, Straw Dogs.
I have completely lost track of where I was going. Long story short Mr. Schtickforbrains is right, straw men rightseres are not to be questioned. Oh, believe me, I’m sure his head he is scratching as his thoughts are busy – busy I tell you! – hatching!
WTF Someguy? You got your projection splattered all over me. Excuse me, I need to go wash myself off now.
Uh, no. This was not a high school debate competition. Never was intended to be that way.
There is your problem right there-MRAs do not believe women are people and they sure as hell do not respect our humanity. Why should I even bother respecting someone who thinks I should have my voice box removed? Or any of the gazillion and one horrific things they have said about me and my gender.
Go away.
@Bodsy, And what about the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz? Made out to be a clumsy idiot, and even set on fire! Only Dorothy is any good at anything — misandry!
It’s a pity Vancouver’s on the other side of the country from me, t’would have been fun to go watch and throw bits of popcorn at the “debaters”.
I think JtO and Paul E. should stand in for Obama and Romney, and GWW and typhonblue for Biden and Ryan at their debates. I’d watch that.
I’m going to have to step in here and take one for my man the Scarecrow of Oz. While a stuffed man, he was nothing but polite and considerate to all beings that he encountered, be they made of tin, meat, air, porcelain, or wood, with pumpkin head or clockwork insides. While a strawman, he was a worthwhile person. I can’t say the same of boring stick guy.
I will continue to express my exasperation at the MRM attacking obvous allies, assuming their goals aren’t disingenuous. (that last bit is the rub, eh?)
Rights are not zero-sum.
Some guy. What have feminists done to limit your freedoms?
Ha! Wasn’t meant as a response to you cloudiah, the actual Scarecrow of Oz (non-movie version) is a known and respected leader who solves problems by thinking them through.
A VIndication on The Sexual RIghts of Men
1. Women shall not be allowed to divorce their husbands for any reason. However, the man may obtain a divorce if his wife is unfaithful, gains weight, or stops performing her wifely duties (sex, cooking, and cleaning, specifically).
2. All single women are sexually available to all men. If a woman is single, there is something wrong with her, therefore as penance she should be required to put out to any man who is interested in her for the greater good. No man shall be forced to endure involuntary celibacy.
3. If a man is to be convicted of rape, the woman must show extensive injuries she obtained whilst fighting him off. These include but are not limited to broken or sprained limbs, cuts, and large amounts of bruises. Minimal bruising is not sufficient to obtain a conviction.
4. Reproductive choice lies solely with the man. All pregnant women will be required to undergo paternity testing. The father of the baby will be notified, and it will be his decision to abort, keep the child, or place it up for adoption. Women who attempt to reproduce without a man’s consent will be prosecuted.
5. Once a woman is married, her person is now the property of her husband. He has paid for all sexual and reproductive rights, and they are transferred to him at marriage. He is therefore entitled to sex at all times. There is no such thing as marital rape.
6. The testimony of no less than THREE women will be required to conflict with the testimony of ONE man. As such, women are only three/fifths of a human being.
7. Women will not vote, so that they can free of the burden and better focus on looking hot, putting out and raising children.
8. No woman will ever require payment from a man. It is illegal for women to earn, spend, handle, or carry currency. Accounts at supermarkets will be paid monthly by the husband.
7. Any woman not married by the age of 27 will face the choice of deportation or permanent residence in a FEMA Work Rehabilitation Center.
8. The voiceboxes of infant girls will be removed at birth. This is to protect her and all others from the vile disease known as feminism.
8. Age of consent laws are misandry. Men may marry any woman of any age, as long as she is not OVER the age of 27.
I made this up, though it is a collection of things I have read from MRAs on the internets.
Seconded, amandajane!
Boringstick is like the fail of fails from Oz – no brain, no heart and no courage.
Wow. You seem to think that personal blogs are journalism and that a sport for high schoolers is rigorous intellectual exercise. I can’t even come up with a clever insult, I’m just dumbfounded by that level of willful naivete.
lol. I love it when someone who doesn’t get a joke uses their misunderstanding to insult someone else’s intelligence. It’s always so delicious.
Do you think there is reason to hope that that might have been a flounce? I shall hope without reason if necessary.
That’s reminding me of the thread where the rebuttal to “men are given more truck in society than women” was that there’s no law that prevents women from buying trucks, if men have more trucks it’s because they buy more trucks whereas women buy more small cars or minivans, and nobody is gonna just give you a truck, you have to buy it, etc.
And yes, the d00d was totally serious.
Oh man. You can find the most ridiculous, misogynist shit linked to approvingly in r/mr. I’ve been browsing it much more than usual today. Anyone who needs a good laugh, check this shit by typhonblue out:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/how-a-limp-dick-can-save-the-world/
Choice quotes:
This is basically exactly rape culture.
tl;DR: learning how to please men sexually elevates women above livestock.
@Pam: that was second greatest fail by a troll I’ve seen on this blog. The best was NWOslave’s “Spanish and Cyrillic use the same characters.”
The FeMRAs are an odd bunch. I keep feeling like they’d be a lot happier if they’d just find themselves a Gor-based BSDM group. Or invent a new religion that practices literal penis worship.
@Tulgey Logger
As soon as owlyslave’s fingers hit the keyboard, you know there’s an epic fail just waiting to happen.
Oh, and I found that TB article here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/102xqq/equalitys_a_bitch_aint_it_girls/c69zz7m
Note the strawman of feminism-as-entitlement-complex going unchallenged Some Guy! We saw a very similar argument from Sasha just a couple Manboobz posts ago. And for people without their heads up their bottoms, enjoy* the biotruth rape apologetics in the Angry Harry “Women and Chimps” article linked approvingly by truthman2000. Note also how Gareth321 gets downvoted for calling it out. Honestly, the idea that we’d need to misrepresent MRAs to make them look misogynistic is just hilarious.
*where enjoy has a value of “either laugh at its absurdity or despair at its horrendousness.”