The so-called manosphere may be a tiny (if noisy) corner of the internet, but here’s yet another reminder that many of its, er, “values” are shared by people other than angry Spearhead commenters and NWOslave. Some of these people even have access to real power. At the Values Voters conference this week, at which Republican VP contender Paul Ryan gave a talk, a group called Modesty Matters distributed flyers whose text reads as if it had been cribbed from posts on The Thinking Housewife or the CoAlpha Brotherhood forum.
As ThinkProgress.org reports:
Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing “immodestly” at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.
Women must “embrace MODESTY in dress and behavior,” one of the handouts read. Women dressed immodestly in church are “an insult to a holy God,” another said.
Some other choice bits highlighted by ThinkProgress:
From the “Modesty: It’s nothing to be ashamed of” pamphlet: “Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts.”
“My men’s bible study group talks frequently about controlling our lust, thoughts, and eyes. Yes the problem and responsibility are ours, but is it really reasonable for the women of the church to make it THIS difficult for us?”
From the “True Woman Manifesto”: “All women, whether married of single, are to model femininity in their various relationships, by exhibiting a distinctive modesty, responsiveness, and gentleness of spirit.”
Frankly, I don’t think women are completely responsible for all of this terrible immodesty.
Obviously, James Brown deserves part of the blame as well. Here’s footage of him lobbying congress on the controversial “hot pants” issue:
@Viscaria, also sad and doing some wine drinking. Your french fry wine reminds me of the time I brought a bunch of pinotage wines back from a trip to South Africa. (Luckily this was before the no liquids on planes rule!) I brought them to various dinner parties and when opened every single one of them smelled strongly of bacon. As I was completely vegetarian at the time, this was a bit off putting.
<3 to all.
I’ve never been one of those people who can drink and not get drunk. Alcohol really changes the personalities of some people, and I found this to be my case. I just got sick of being the person I was when I was drunk, so I stopped, but only after about ten years of binge drinking, black outs, and debilitating hangovers.
Alcohol is not always the fun, social lubrication others make it out to be. For me, it always kicked off a depressive episode, and I would be in a funk for a day or two while my body chemistry returned to normal. I couldn’t always predict my mood when drunk. Sometimes I became sad, sometimes overly affectionate, sometimes angry and violent. My drinking could have very easily ruined my life. I am very fortunate not to have suffered any long term consequences.
The idea of a wine that tastes like oregano is weirding me out. Just can’t picture it.
On Spanish wine, my observation is that it tends to taste really really good with food.
I’m going to school in Walla Walla. The other renters in my house are in the wine program at the local CC, and the landlady graduated from it.
MMMM. The best wine I’ve had is the Januik syrah. I think I’ll bring home a bottle for my mom and I at X-mas.
Walla Walla, WA=big wine country. 1 in 4 shops downtown is a wine tasting room.
Cassandra, it was mostly floral, but with a bit of an earthy thing going on? It didn’t taste like pizza sauce, if that’s what you’re thinking of.
I once opened a bottle of wine that turned out to be salty. It was gross. I made some acceptable sangria from it, though.
Wordsp1nner, now Walla Walla is on my list of places to visit.
aworld, I’ve never been drunk, and I don’t regret that. Being drunk puts you at risk of physical harm, both from the immediate effects of the alcohol, the possibility of you accidentally injuring yourself while inebriated, and the fact that it makes you more likely to be victimized in various ways. The social benefits of being drunk are limited and short term. If you need to be drunk to tolerate people, you’re hanging out with the wrong people. If you really think alcohol will help your social situation then, as wordsp1nner suggested, aim for tipsy first.
And please be careful. Depending on what you are drinking, it is fairly easy to get alcohol poisoning.
Good luck 🙂 The first few weeks/months of college can be hard, but if you make an effort it does get better.
Gah. It keeps changing my name to the one of my avatar account.
Modesty is important, as well as the bible, otherwise you turn into shameless hussies!
I don’t… I don’t know which fork I want to chose O_O
@creativewritingstudent
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Ooooooh, wine. I love wine- unfortunately, I’m on a college-student budget. I’m a huge fan of French whites, which are a bit out of my price range except on special occasions. I’ve never tried Walla Walla wine, although I hope there are some awesomely-named vineyards there.
I am trying to learn some about wine, but it’s overwhelming because there are so many types. I visited the Stone Hill winery in Branson and tried some samples, but I forgot which were merlot, pinot grigio, zinfindel, and so on. Up until my visit, I thought the main types of wine were red, white, snow creek berry, strawberry hill, and country kwencher ( and that’s how Boone’s spells quencher on their bottle) lol.
Christian high school story: One time in relationships class the teacher had the boys make a list of things girls do that cause them sexual temptation.
One of the things on the list was “bending at the waist.”
Harlots! Modest women wear only slip-on shoes to avoid this very problem.
The teacher (a huge bulky male field coach) spent the rest of the class not bending at the waist. (Un)surprisingly challenging.
I’m not quite sure what these guys are complaining about- that they are aroused by women being “immodest” (whatever the fuck that means, since rape happens to people wearing head to toe bhurkas) and are unable to jump on the woman in question and rape her without getting in trouble, or that they wish that they were NEVER AROUSED AT ANY POINT EVER.
Because I am pretty sure there’s a pretty good way to chemically or physically castrate yourself if you do not wish to feel sexual arousal ever again…without raping anyone.
My fiancee really likes wine and he got me interested in them as well. Unfortunately, all reds taste like mold to me. Every time he gets a glass of some nice red wine, I’ll take a sip thinking there has to be one out there that I can at least tolerate, but no. I’ll stick to my sweet whites, thanks. Since we moved to Australia we’ve discovered a really cheap, absolutely delicious moscato. Super nummy.
Or the lack thereof
@dualityheart
Chemical castration is MISANDRY.
Does anyone else remember that survey of young religious guys in which they named all the stuff that led them to “stumble”? My favorite was cross-body bags. Only harlots wear bags that leave their hands free, apparently.
Clairedammit: Barefoot wine is totally good! You can get $1 little bottles of it at the checkout rack at CVS, but I like it.
You mean this shit? http://www.therebelution.com/modestysurvey/browse
Sometimes I just like to look through it and laugh. Other times, it’s really depressing.
On the plus side, lots of guys disagreeing with the idea that jeans are always immodest. On the downside, someone proposed the idea that jeans are always immodest.
I particularly liked the idea that fading and whiskering on jeans is immodest.
Also, nylons are a stumbling block. Never forget this.