The so-called manosphere may be a tiny (if noisy) corner of the internet, but here’s yet another reminder that many of its, er, “values” are shared by people other than angry Spearhead commenters and NWOslave. Some of these people even have access to real power. At the Values Voters conference this week, at which Republican VP contender Paul Ryan gave a talk, a group called Modesty Matters distributed flyers whose text reads as if it had been cribbed from posts on The Thinking Housewife or the CoAlpha Brotherhood forum.
As ThinkProgress.org reports:
Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing “immodestly” at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.
Women must “embrace MODESTY in dress and behavior,” one of the handouts read. Women dressed immodestly in church are “an insult to a holy God,” another said.
Some other choice bits highlighted by ThinkProgress:
From the “Modesty: It’s nothing to be ashamed of” pamphlet: “Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts.”
“My men’s bible study group talks frequently about controlling our lust, thoughts, and eyes. Yes the problem and responsibility are ours, but is it really reasonable for the women of the church to make it THIS difficult for us?”
From the “True Woman Manifesto”: “All women, whether married of single, are to model femininity in their various relationships, by exhibiting a distinctive modesty, responsiveness, and gentleness of spirit.”
Frankly, I don’t think women are completely responsible for all of this terrible immodesty.
Obviously, James Brown deserves part of the blame as well. Here’s footage of him lobbying congress on the controversial “hot pants” issue:
Ye gods, the entitlement! “I can’t follow this rule. MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME.”
aworldanonymous–you don’t have to get drunk when you drink. If you haven’t had alcohol before (I don’t know your history), you might want to try for tipsy, and go slow. Although, frankly, if you are an introvert like me even being tipsy might not be enough to make parties with a lot of drunk people tolerable. My advice? Get there early before people are totally trashed, and drink moderately. If you liked it, you there will be plenty of other occasions to get raging drunk 🙂
Full disclosure–I’ve never been really, really drunk, although a few occasions I’ve gone past tipsy (the last time was when my viticulture student roomies brought in a few bottles of really good wine). I like tipsy, and I like conversations and dancing, but I have no desire to get really drunk. I don’t like big parties or lots of noise–small parties with good conversation and dancing, yes.
This Okanagan wine is okay but it smells like french fries and that’s really weird.
I have a new roommate now.
Guys I’m really sad and I’m getting tipsy so I’m just telling you random things.
<3 you all.
Viscaria, I’m kind of sad tonight too. Septembers always suck for me for some reason. I’m thinking about all the endings I’ve had recently. I’m trying to make some new things happen in my life but you don’t always know when it’s a new beginning until later.
I had a bottle of wine a couple of nights ago that tasted like caramel and Mexican oregano. Since it was really cheap, I’m just glad it tasted like a couple of things I like, even though they don’t really go together.
<3 everyone here too.
@clairedammit: Is Mexican oregano different than regular oregano? I’ve never heard of it.
The thing is, even if they could convince women to dress “modestly”- say, below-the-knee skirts, no cleavage, and no sleeveless tops- it would never be enough. Soon they’d be complaining about those scandalously-displayed calves, sexy exposed necks, and so on.
My general (British) perspective on things:
Hard, shaped, sweet: biscuit
Soft, unshaped, sweet: cookie
Hard, shaped, savoury: cracker
Soft, shaped, savoury: scone
Soft, unshaped, soapy-tasting: my recent attempt at cooking. Whilst it is possible to make raising flour from plain flour and bicarbonate of soda, the suggested ratio is not 30g of bicarbonate to 100g of flour. *facepalm*
@Viscaria, clairedammit
Viscaria’s wine sounds really nice. Like an oily french fries smell or a potato-y french fries smell?
Most cheaper sherries and every dry vermouth I’ve had (there’s only two types you can get in Australia, so…) have a weird “bready” nose to me. Bread’s lovely but it’s still a really odd feeling every time. The white port I’ve had didn’t show it, so it can’t just be “that’s what you get when fortify white wines” thing.
@CWS
Shortbread’s a biscuit though, isn’t it? I’ve seen a few biscuit taxonomies and I’m not sure there’s a consistent one (as in, lacking exceptions) that any more than one person would agree on.
Jayem, yeah, it’s a whole different plant. It tastes more floral than Greek oregano, while Greek o is more earthy. I have Mexican oregano growing in my herb garden because the Greek kind can’t take the heat where I live.
I think oily french fries. It’s possible that I’m hungry because I’ve barely eaten today >.> maybe I should eat some apricots. Pretty sure I have dried apricots in the house.
Lowquacks, I usually drink Pinot Grigio or Sauvignon Blanc (I love red wine, but it seems to aggravate my allergies). The best Pinot tastes like crisp green apples, and the best Sauvignon Blanc tastes like peaches and red bell peppers. My fave cheap Sauv even inspired me to create a sandwich.
The wine: http://www.barefootwine.com/our-wines/white-wines/sauvignon-blanc
The sandwich: http://chezcayenne.blogspot.com/2012/08/peach-and-red-bell-pepper-panini.html
Or I could have some crackers and cream cheese and red pepper jelly. But my crackers are sweet, how does THAT work for your taxonomy, CWS?
@clairedammit
Living in Australia = cheap and plentiful Marlborough Sauv Blanc
good times
@Lowquacks
I’ve always found shortbread to be quite hard to bite, and generally sweet (at least, the good stuff is; if it costs 35p a pack from Tesco then it has no taste at all). Shortbread is also really fancy-shaped. I once saw some in the shape of Scottie dogs and they made me smile. 🙂
As a rule, biscuit should make a noise when bitten and a cookie should be quiet.
These are just my personal guidelines though.
I handle my liquor like a true nord of skyrim, though I typically do stop when I don’t like whiskey anymore.
Ooh, that’s a good one.
Viscaria, if those are the sweet crackers I’m thinking of, I love those! And I think you should eat all of it – crackers, cream cheese, jelly, and apricots.
Lowquacks, Australian Sauv is some of my favorite wine. It’s not as inexpensive here (for the quality) as the California wine, though.
@clairedammit, were you thinking of raincoast crisps?
@clairedammit
Marlborough’s actually in NZ! I’ve never heard California wine but I’ve heard it’s much like the stuff here in the climate’s very similar and has the same cheap-but-wonderful thing going on.
I keep finding chocolate chip cookies in stores that crunch when bitten, which bothers me. They’re supposed to be chewy, dammit.
Me and bf were on Whidbey Island, Washington for my friend’s wedding a few weeks ago, and we found this really incredible local Sangiovese. Plus, no Canadian sin taxes, yay! We bought a bottle for now and a bottle for this time next year, because we’re gross like that.
@Viscaria
I’ve never come across a sweet cracker. I will admit that my cracker experience comes from the Jacob’s variety box so it’s not comprehensive.
Although the serving of it with cheese and vegetable preserve suggests it’s a sweet-tasting food served in a savoury manner, much like how some meats are served with a sweet glaze, or fruit chutneys in sandwiches.
… Dang it, now I want sweet Chinese ribs. 🙁
Also if anyone cares at all getting food into my body has really fought away a lot of the depressed lifeless blah I was drowning in
Viscaria, no, the ones I was thinking of are round, but the next time I’m in Whole Foods, I’ll grab some of those.
Lowquacks, I will remember where Marlborough is next time! And yes, California wine is very similar to what you have. It’s probably cheaper here because it doesn’t have to travel far (I’m in Texas.) Also, I love Spanish reds, especially Tempranillo and Zinfandel. Yum, berries.