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Immodesty Blaze: Values Voters vs. Hot Pants

The so-called manosphere may be a tiny (if noisy) corner of the internet, but here’s yet another reminder that many of its, er, “values” are shared by people other than angry Spearhead commenters and NWOslave. Some of these people even have access to real power. At the Values Voters conference this week, at which Republican VP contender Paul Ryan gave a talk, a group called Modesty Matters distributed flyers whose text reads as if it had been cribbed from posts on The Thinking Housewife or the CoAlpha Brotherhood forum.

As ThinkProgress.org reports:

Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing “immodestly” at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.

Women must “embrace MODESTY in dress and behavior,” one of the handouts read. Women dressed immodestly in church are “an insult to a holy God,” another said.

Some other choice bits highlighted by ThinkProgress:

From the “Modesty: It’s nothing to be ashamed of” pamphlet: “Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts.”

 “My men’s bible study group talks frequently about controlling our lust, thoughts, and eyes. Yes the problem and responsibility are ours, but is it really reasonable for the women of the church to make it THIS difficult for us?”

From the “True Woman Manifesto”: “All women, whether married of single, are to model femininity in their various relationships, by exhibiting a distinctive modesty, responsiveness, and gentleness of spirit.”

Frankly, I don’t think women are completely responsible for all of this terrible immodesty.

Obviously, James Brown deserves part of the blame as well. Here’s footage of him lobbying congress on the controversial “hot pants” issue:

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Katz, that sounds like a euphemism whose meaning I really don’t want to know …

pecunium
8 years ago

M Dubz: May your new year be full of wonderful things (we had a pretty good start to the celebration tonight; loved one’s about, food, good honey, fruits and reminiscence).

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Slim jeans do look good and are great for showing off bootness, but I cannot stand having anything tight on my lower legs (barring socks).

Jeggings are the same issue but with added “I’M NAKED!!!!!”

Still not as bad as the leggings I saw with the US flag printed on it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Please tell me the flag wasn’t on the ass.

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

I have a friend with a collection of Black Milk leggings that she looks pretty fantastic in. The leggings-are-not-pants thing has moved from a kneejerk reaction in the early days of the trend to dogma. They look p comfy too.

Then again, said friend’s someone who’d look good in just about anything, but her signature leggings are pretty cool even keeping that in mind.

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

@CassandraSays

From the same company and also in my awesome friend’s wardrobe: Why have a US flag on your bum when you can have Uncle Sam and his “I Want You” disappearing into your crotch?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Please tell me the flag wasn’t on the ass.

I don’t even want to think about that image, but I must say it derailed my mind to the cover of Born in the USA and I don’t mind thinking about that image at all! 🙂

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Nope, sorry. I wore leggings the first time they were popular, regrettably, and will not be making the same mistake this time. Some people may look OK in them, but they’d look better in actual pants, or a skirt, or shorts, or…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Random, but hey, this is Manboobz. Here is your daily chance to weep like a baby. A bunch of beagles rescued from a lab get to see sunshine and grass for the first time.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

I wear leggings as underwear, in lieu of tights, because tights are too tight, and chafe my legs something horrible, which leggings don’t. But wear ’em with my arse hanging out? No way. I don’t even like having them with just a tunic over them, I feel like I’m only half dressed. They go under jeans or a skirt, for me.

My connection’s being too wiggy to look at the beagle video at the moment. 🙁

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I actually love tights (with skirts), so for me there’s no purpose at all for leggings other than to sleep or work out in. Actual leggings are certainly better than footless tights worn as leggings, though. I really didn’t need to see the label telling me the brand and size of underwear that the young woman I walked down the street behind was wearing that one time – if I can read text through your tights, they’re too thin to wear by themselves.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

This isn’t a modesty thing, by the way – I just think it looks goofy to be able to see someone’s knickers, complete with label, right through their clothes. Not sexy or titillating, just goofy.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Yeah, it’s a “Have you actually looked at your rear end in a mirror?” thing. How to make even the best backside look blah. It’s like muffin-tops – doesn’t matter what someone’s figure is, the tight tight jeans worn low will produce a bulge around the top, and I don’t think it does anyone any favours. About as appealing as builder’s crack.

Katelisa
Katelisa
8 years ago

I have a very sensitive stomach, and undue pressure on it can be surprisingly painful. I don’t like the way baggy trousers look on me, but love skinny jeans. Jeggings, the kind made out of actual stretch denim, not denim-coloured jersey (the jersey ones are a floppy abomination when worn as trousers), is sometimes the only way I can wear trousers comfortably. I just wear them with longer tops/tunics to hide that they’re Not Actually Jeans. Allows for both pressure-sensitivity and frequent food babies due to The Evil Stomach not having gotten that whole digestion-thing down yet. Also, they can be worn under thermal trousers without claustrophobia of the extremities.

Rantrantrant. I just felt a need to defend jeggings, at least a bit.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

You know, I love low rise jeans, for those of us who’re petite and/or short waisted they’re pretty much the best thing ever (high waisted jeans look ridiculous on me, like I could use the waistband as a second bra band). But even on someone as shrimpy as me, a rise under 7 inches is verging on plumber’s crack territory.

(Note to other fans of Paige jeans – the rise is always lower on the petite versions. Which is usually fine, but watch out if you’re going to buy petite Blue Heights and try them on, bend over, etc before you go outside. I tried on a pair once and decided to go with the regular length and hem them because I’d pretty much need a full Brazilian wax to wear the petite version.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I will concede that the Paige Verdugos look almost like skinny jeans rather than thick tights. I think it’s the better quality of denim that makes the difference.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

@ Katelisa

Also, since you seem to want jeggings that look more like jeans, here’s a link. They’re expensive, but you can get them cheaper on eBay, and they look more like jeans than most jeggings. Stay away from any of the non-jegging Paige styles, though – the inner waistband is lined in fabric to stop it from stretching out during the day, which is great at keeping your jeans looking the way you did when you put them on, but if you don’t like pressure on your stomach it will drive you nuts.

http://www.paigeusa.com/verdugo-ultra-skinny-twilight/d/40000774_c_247

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Manboobz: Come for the mockery, stay for the fashion tips.

(Well, not for me specifically. I have the fashion sense and wardrobe variety of a cartoon character 😛 ).

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

This could be either very good or very bad, depending on the cartoon character.

But yeah, I’m a denim geek. I love jeans, and in California you can wear them anywhere, including to work usually. We’re all about the premium denim and super fancy tees here.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Well, the flag wasn’t solely on the arse…

OK. Imagine someone took the US flag, turned it so the stripes were vertical and the stars in the top-left corner, and then turn them into leggings. Yes. Oh, and it had that ‘old flag’ look.

What made it worse was the fact that the rest of her outfit was ok. If you’re going to wear something that tacky, pair it with a hawaiian shirt, a bad 80s perm, and some sparkly gold wedge sandals. Make it look deliberately bad, y’know.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

“Excuse me, Miss, but a member of the Tea Party appears to have vomited on your trousers.”

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

I have no idea if that would work in Britain… made me giggle though.

Jones
Jones
8 years ago

Well, really. You can’t force a man to look at these immodest women. They can just close their eyes.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

@Katz

I shot a shark in my pyjamas once…

Come on people, no one?

“How did the shark get in your pyjamas?”

leftwingfox
8 years ago

Come on people, no one?

“How did the shark get in your pyjamas?”

Sorry, I was stuck on the “dolphin flogging” variation myself.

I blame the wimmenz, and their scandalously uncovered comments. You should not be out in public with your periods, let along the commas, or *shudder* all those colons!

Noadi
8 years ago

Totally random, but did everyone know that there is a creature called the pyjama shark?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyjama_shark

Even better: Striped pyjama squid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepioloidea_lineolata

katz
8 years ago

I think the Pfeffer’s flamboyant cuttlefish is a pretty good name as well; it makes me imagine the cuttlefish mincing around on its little tentacles.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Perhaps they can just lower their eyes and spend it looking at the ground, just like they tell modest women to do to prevent wicked thoughts or inapproprite attachments.

M Dubz
M Dubz
8 years ago

@pillowinhell- But bumping into buildings or pedestrians is MISANDRY!

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

No, its not misandry, just mock worthy if you can’t navigate without bumping into something so large as a building.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Oooh, jeans! I like the pull-on ones with higher waists. I’m shortish-waisted (hard to avoid when your’e 5′ 4″) but also have a droopy belly thanks to liver disease. These jeans – not expensive ones – keep things sort of smoothed out without putting pressure on. I’m right there with you on that one, Katelisa, I hate pressure on my stomach. Don’t like low-rise jeans, though, they’re not comfortable for me. I don’t like a gap between top and jeans, and the stomach bulging over the waistband is a REALLY bad look!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Different strokes! I’m just over 5ft2, and I can’t stand waistbands on pants that sit above hip level. I have a special grudge against elasticated waistbands, and find jeans-type waistbands far more comfortable.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

I’m iffy about elasticated waistbands – the ones on the jeans I’ve found are among the few I do like. Most elastic-waist skirts aren’t comfortable on me, that’s for sure. It might be because that elastic is fairly narrow and usually set fairly tight. The bands in these jeans are much wider, like 3cm, so they don’t cut in. My sister told me the trick with ’em, too: they’re not stitched in, so cut the inside waist, pull the elastic out and apply safety-pins to adjust. (Especially handy when the elastic starts to sag.)

Different strokes works well: in the event we’re ever in the same store looking at jeans, we won’t be trying to get the same pair! 😀

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

My husband came up with this really smart idea for men who feel tempted by women who are immodestly dressed, or not wearing niqabs, or just oozing out female pheromones in general (like that Egyptian sexual harasser who claimed that even women in niqabs have themselves to blame when sexually harassed, since they’re sending out horny vibes that attract men).

He’s gonna invent a helmet called “the modesty helmet”. It will look something like the helmet of Judge Dredd. There will be a computer inside the helmet with advanced artificial intelligence. The AI is constantly analysing the air around the helmet wearer, and if female pheromones drift by there’s a respiratory mask immediately shoved in front of the wearers face. The mask filters out all pheromones from the wearer’s breathing air. The AI is also constantly analysing every shape the wearer sees in front of him. If the shape of a female body appears in his field of vision, the visor immediately goes opaque, protecting the wearer from the tempting sights.

His slogan is gonna be: Modesty helmets – protecting men since 2012!

Neat idea, huh?

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