Over on Married Man Sex Life, doucheblogger Athol Kay has provided the ladies with a helpful checklist of the things they need to do, or to be, or to do be do be do, to become the ultimate “red pill” girlfriend or wife. But the women he describes sound a lot less like Trinity from The Matrix than the robotified housewives from The Stepford Wives.
Mr. Kay’s list of demands is too long to quote in its entirety, but here are a few of the choicer items:
(4) Understands that there is a sexual marketplace, and that women have an earlier peak of sexual desirability than men do.
Presumably if she forgets this, her manospherian swain will happily neg her back to a properly less-positive assessment of her rapidly decaying beauty as a woman over the age of 14.
(13) Understands that divorce sucks and is more akin to getting treatment for cancer than having cosmetic surgery.
I sort of agree with this one, actually: for women married to Athol Kay’s followers, getting divorced would be a lot like removing a malignant tumor.
(14) Likes men in a general sense for who they are and what they do, rather than detesting all men in general and making an exception for the tiny few in her nuclear family.
(Huh. Project much?)
(15) Understands the risks both men and women take in having serious relationships, and is willing to negotiate ways to verify trustworthiness in each other. Sees doing this as evidence of true commitment rather than an insulting invasion of privacy.
I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about here. Lie detector tests? Waterboarding?
(20) Doesn’t keep the Red Pill a secret from those that need it.
That’s what we need, more women lecturing women on how terrible they are.
I’ve saved the best for last:
(3) Understands that what she does with her vagina always has some sort of consequence.
Seriously. Please think twice before tattooing Homer Simpson on you hoo-hah! (This has actually been done. You’ll have to look up the pictures yourself.)
In the comments, BlackCat adds a 21st item to the list:
(21) Understands that current society/public opinion, the vast majority of churches, and almost all laws, courts and government agencies dealing with families are all biased heavily against men, and that until the incentives and disincentives return to a more balanced state, men are completely justified in being gun-shy and avoiding commitment and other entanglements as much as possible.
Corollary to (21): Appreciates the men, especially informed (red pill) men, who are willing to take the chance at a relationship despite the above, and goes out of her way to prevent them from being taken advantage of, and to publicly denounce those who do take advantage of them.
So come on, gals, start lining up for your chance to jump through endless hoops for the chance to get with a dude who thinks he’s doing you a gigantic favor by even considering dating you in the first place!
While we’re at it, here’s my favorite scene from The Stepford Wives (the original 1975 version, of course), in which [SPOILER ALERT] Joanna, the new gal in Stepford, discovers that her friend Bobbie is no longer the free-spirited Women’s Libber she thought she knew.
Aworld: you’re less different than you think, plus you’re dealing with a big change right now. Go easy on yourself.
@aworldanonymous — There is no point in eating poutine unless it is early morning and you’re drunk. That’s the point of the dish. 🙂 And as others have said, college is a bad sample to draw from.ame
@aworldanonymous
I hate drinking too, which I’ll be honest, has led to me not going to a lot of social events because there is this expectation of drinking, but I have found friends who like me for who I am and don’t care if I drink or not. I understand that feeling of being alone, and it really sucks but you seem to be a good person and I’m sure you can find friends, either offline or online.
RE: aworldanonymous
Not only do I not enjoy being drunk, I am on medication that forbids drinking. So you’re far from alone.
Fairly recently, I was at a party with friends where they were drinking. I felt kinda down and left out because I was the only un-drinker. So one of my friends made me a mixed drink entirely out of non-alcoholic liquids, made sure everyone loved on me, and I felt a lot better.
I have awesome friends. And now I live with some of them! 😀
Number of University students and new grads I personally know who don’t like drinking? Loads. (Okay, not technically a number.)
The important thing is that the people around you are respectful. If they offer you a drink, and you decline, and they’re all “aw c’mon man, what, you hate fun or something?” then they are the jerks, not you. If you tell them that, and they persist anyway, they’re not worthy of your friendship.
I agree that there are people who try to use the MRM to serve their own means. That’s also true of Greenpeace, to the point of violence against people and property. Any organization where there are a lot of angry people, for good reasons or not, will have an unsavory element within it. I do not apologize for what others have said under our name, but a lot of people agree that feminism is not special and distinct from any other philosophy. If continues to run unopposed, it will only become more corrupt and injustices like the male incarceration rate will continue to go unanswered.
Aworld: you’ve been there, what, a week or two? Building a “life” in a new environment takes time. Are you in a different city for school? Make a deal with yourself that on Fridays (or whenever) while the drunks are roaming the halls, you’ll go check out something in town that interests you.
Also, a large percentage of those drinking are doing it because they feel just as alienated as you do and are trying to fit in.
Are you seriously implying, with a straight face even, that the male incarceration rate is the result of feminism? Really? Really?
Hey, I comment randomly and irregularly.
“aworldanonymous”.
I actually like social drinking, after I learned how to do it properly (This involved not spending so much time tracing patterns on the walls with my eyes).
Does that mean anything?
No, not really. I could hate it. It’s only a minor point of differentiation in relation to other people, and it is hardly significant for me. Looking out on a street or down a hallway and seeing naught but drunken revellers and quietly thinking to yourself that “Oh, wow, they’re certainly drunk and my prefered cup o’ brew is Earl Grey and this alien species strikes me as queer. Lonely again” happens a lot. To everyone. That’s not a “Your pain is insignificant”, it’s a “You’re different in a certain way everyone’s different”.
You’re allright. That may not mean anything? It’s difficult to infuse a statement like that with any meaningful sincerety. Anyway, again – you’re allright. Take a breath, shake your head and if ideation of suicide continues do what those wiser and faster above suggest, pick up a phone and contact a hotline. They’ll listen, it’s what they’re there for.
In every meaningful way you are different than most other people, and the trick is no more and no less than finding people with whom you can be, in your own way, someone you enjoy being.
Alcohol optional. Hell, tea optional. Clothing not optional except for special occassions.
There’s plenty to do on a friday that does not involve alcohol (Say, creating base classes for D&D or drawing or having tea with someone, anyone). Building an entire existence in an uprooted environment takes time. You’ll get there.
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Uh, as for the curiously specific list above I have little meaningful mockery to add. I just read through the thread and wanted to affirm that feeling lonely and different in a new environment is a frequent event. You can work out of it, slowly.
The Duke Lacrosse case sent the message that feminists thought more men belonged in prison, not fewer. Additionally, as long as rape cases are not fairly investigated and there is no universal, equally serious disincentive for falsely accusing men of rape, men will be incarcerated on false accusations as well. Finally, by implying that all men are potentially violent or “potential rapists” or even outright stating it, feminists encourage a social climate which is fearful and intimidated by men. This is part of the reason men, especially minority men, tend to be unfairly treated by police.
FactFinder, fuck OFF about Duke. No one even remembers those guys’ names.
And double fuck off for thinking there’s no disincentive for false rape allegations when there’s hardly any INCENTIVE for reporting any rape.
All men are potentially violent.
Are you a living organism? Do you have a metabolism? Can you meaningfully in some way exert any kind of influence on your local environment? Any kind? At all?
Congratulations, you are “potentially” violent.
All women are potentially violent. All bees are potentially violent. All stones are not potentially violent, because stones don’t have the capacity for potential acts that living creatures do.
If you insist that everyone is potentially violent and some measures should be taken to address this, up to and including informing people of their own potential for violence, boundary violation and infliction of pain, you are not giving birth to a climate of fear.
You’re informing people of their own capacities, so that they can choose to act differently.
You’re giving them the information they need to act in relation to others in such a way as to not come across as violent.
The climate of fear you describe exists in your mind, I’m afraid.
Wow. It’s almost as if you could give a shit that most of the men currently incarcerated are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses and not for convictions of rape and sexual assault.
You are so fucking stupid.
Cute! Just because 93% of crimes are committed by males doesn’t mean there should be such a disproportionate incarceration rate. I’m sure putting a bunch of women, preferably feminists, in prison till the incarceration rate is 50/50 would be for the best.
I want that dipshit phrase from yesterday but I can’t remember what it was.
I see IR/FF has gotten to the “Minorities Are Only Convenient For Me When I’m Trying To Make My Half-Ass Point” part of the show.
Uh-huh. You MRMers could give two shits about minority men in prison.
Bewilderness: was it “exquisite dipshit?”
Exquisite! An exquisite dipper of shit!
Was that it?
Ha! Thanks.
The plight of minority men in prison for non violent drug offenses is something the MRM should be concerned about. But since helping these men will do little to affect feminism or hurt women, most MRAs don’t give a shit.
The MRM caters solely to its base of angry bitter white men who are pissed that they can’t control women. Hell, the MRM is its base.
@aworldanonymous It’s early in the school year, a lot of the drinking right now is kids who are having their first taste of having the freedom to party without parental interference. It will settle down a bit once the novelty wears off.
I don’t drink either, I hate the taste of alcohol and the loss of control being drunk. There are plenty of people like that in college, the trouble is finding them. See if there are any clubs or other groups at your college that are focused around one of your interests. I made some of my best friends in college through the roleplaying group in campus.
Am I ever sick of these prescriptive relationship ‘lists’ that seem to imply everyone’s IDEAL relationship is exactly the same. And that everyone wants, openly or secretly, some super gender-role heavy relationship. The same people seem to think everyone’s inherently super jealous and nobody should have friends of the opposite gender. Not everyone wants the same kind of relationship anyway.
I would love to hear an explanation for what, exactly, the manifestations of (4) would be. I honestly can’t think of any other than ‘is OK with her guy cheating on her with a younger woman because she’s not hot enough’ or ‘having low self esteem and being grateful for her guy not leaving her for a younger woman’. ‘Be aware you’re not that hot?’ Yeah, because it’s a well known fact that women are just super confident about their looks, and never are ridiculously insecure about weight/attractiveness. Right.
These guys seem to think that women should all be ‘naturally’ super hot, but then also deride women for having issues with self confidence due to appearance. Also that all men are attracted to exactly the same type of woman. That last one is really common with MRAs. The idea that all men ‘actually’ want 16 year old skinny models and if they say otherwise, they are just deluded.
My favorite is #18, “Has a sense of humor.”
Because you’d need one.
@ideologuereview
The men who were accused in the Duke Lacrosse case are not incarcerated. This case you bring up as an example of the worst injustice ever! was investigated and the men were not convicted. If you’re going to bring up stuff to prove your point, maybe reference something that doesn’t completely contradict it?
@Fibinachi
Lies! Tea is not optional! The only options are black, green, white, or oolong!
@IR
When 10% of women will openly admit to having made a false rape accusation to police, I will give an equal number of shits for your pet cause and actual physical violence. At the moment, this is how many shits I give: