If you ever have the desire to get yourself downvoted on the Men’s Rights subreddit, here’s one sure-fire strategy: Write a sensible comment suggesting that birth control benefits people with penises as much as people with vaginas.
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I was going to point out some of the ironies inherent in Men’s Rightsers getting mad about women getting “free” birth control, but I suspect you can figure those out on your own.
This is why the so-called Men’s Rights movement is not so much a rights movement as a take-away-other-people’s-rights movement.
“why should i have to make sure my comparisons involves similar situations, if doing that doesnt prove exactly what i want to prove”
a question that should not be asked by anyone who know anything at all about what theyre doing
Can you have troy ounces of beer? I am too lazy to Google that. That is seriously lazy.
it’s only used in weighing metals, but yeah, 1 troy ounce is about 1.1 normal ounces
I don’t understand why it is so wierd an idea to think that condoms should be subsidized, they are really godd for the population health. A start could be that they are VAT-free goods, then perhaps some more state subsidies so that they will cost 50 % of the current price.
So we should work out what a floz of Cloudiah’s favoured beer weighs, and then the heaviest is the one that should be given in glorious boozy tribute.
Or we should work out which one has the most liquid. And then with the glorious boozy tribute.
Really, I just want a good beer right now. Even a 12 oz bottle would do. But then I’d need a nap.
it isn’t a bad idea and nobody said it’s a bad idea. everyone here has been consistently saying make condoms available. i work for an organization that hands out shit tons of free condoms.
you just can’t compare the access issue to birth control in any meaningful way.
It amuses me that if you weren’t to shorten “ounces” to “oz”, that the abbreviation for fluid ounces would be “flounce”. I imagine a “flounce of beer” would be the average amount of beer consumed between trolls saying they’re leaving and them actually leaving.
*Easily amused*
Talacaris, you are beyond dense. Why subsidize something that’s really cheap and/or free? And don’t say because you’ll have sex everyday, that’s the biggest fairy tale of all.
I say we split the difference and give [name redacted for financial and copyright concerns] some of that beer that has the little gold flakes in it.
“Also, $60 for a yearly supply of b/c? Not likely in the US. I only pay a copay for mine, and get a generic, and it is still $10/mo or $120 a year. If you aren’t covered (and I don’t think I’d be covered except I have a documented medical need), then it is even more. Is that estimate based on birth control coverage in health insurance, or are b/c pills just that cheap in Sweden?”
BC cost me $65 a month when I had no insurance. Plus the $250 it cost to see the doctor to get the prescription. There is also a cost for medicine to treat me when I have side effects of headaches and nausea.
Back when state governments were funding public clinics women could see the doctor there and get a years supply birth control on a sliding scale—NOT FREE. At those same clinics you could get a bag of condoms TOTALLY FREE. Why is it not on the MRA agenda to reopen these clinics and give them funding again?
Good grief, nobody here has ever said free condoms are bad. If you want to have condoms covered, go for it. Fight for it. Seriously, I won’t stop you. Free condoms everywhere isn’t a bad idea. This isn’t a case of the meanie feminists trying to keep the rubbers away. Most (if not all, I’d say) of the people involved in running and giving care at Planned Parenthood clinics and others like it are feminists and in my experience, those people, aside from college and high school nurses, are the most inclined to give out free condoms.
If you’re pissed about less access to free condoms, you should be pissed at lawmakers trying to make budget cuts against Planned Parenthood. You should be mad at Sex Ed teachers who misinform students about condoms or don’t teach them how to use condoms properly. You should be pissed at check out clerks who give people the stink-eye for buying condoms.
“BC cost me $65 a month when I had no insurance. Plus the $250 it cost to see the doctor to get the prescription” That’s freaking expensive.
All that talk (which I started) about beer made me think about peeing:
Manly men smoke and drink and piss at the same time.
“If you’re pissed about less access to free condoms, you should be pissed at lawmakers trying to make budget cuts against Planned Parenthood”
It’s not so much about free condoms. I was just thinking that maybe it could be better with a general subsidy on all purchases, instead of either free if you happen to be in the right time and place or paying the full price.
I found a website where you can buy condoms in bulk, costing $150 for 1000 condoms. If you’re having sex once a day, it works out to about $54 a year, which is much cheaper than the pill. They’re latex, though, so it could be more expensive if you have an allergy and have to buy another type. But I’m still in favor of helping more people get them at free or reduced costs to prevent STI transmission and pregnancy. Talacaris, you are preaching to the choir here, unless your real agenda is to complain about people with uteruses having access to affordable contraception.
The full price for a box of condoms still isn’t comparable to bc. Nice try. Funny how you’re not suggesting hormonal bc go over the counter and cheaper.
NHS, people. All the cheap BC, other medications/equipment, and gauze you could ever want. It’s about £7.something per item and free under certain circumstances like chronic conditions, low income, children, old age, pregnancy, and you don’t have to pay for doctor’s appointments.
The only major problem we’ve run into is now we have to pay a lot for the care of old people with chronic conditions + complications. And Margaret Thatcher.
(And yes, I am biased towards the NHS. I like being alive.)
Yeah where is this mythical place? I paid a $60 COPAY last week for one month’s supply. Jesus wept.
Also, talacaris, you’re ignoring rather blatantly that birth control used by women has multiple uses while condoms don’t. Condoms don’t treat endometriosis or PCOS. There are a ton of significant complications women live with that are addressed by using the various types of birth control available to them that have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy (the Pill is necessary for a lot of women with PCOS to ensure we might some day be able to get pregnant). A drug that lets me keep my ovaries intact? Should be fucking covered.
*headtilt*
Was that some sort of neg? I’m assuming there’s some sort of implied “you’re a failure as a woman because you could never get a man because you’re such an angry feminist” in there, right?
Except, my quote would probably appeal to some other feminist Whedonites, which kind of invalidates the insult?
I’m confused.
Yeah…$60 for a year is way too low for hormonal BC. I buy one of the cheapest pills on the market at $9/month (full price, no applicable insurance to cover it). That works out to $108 a year.
At Planned Parenthood, my yearly check-up to get the prescription in the first place was about $150 (again, no applicable insurance). I was getting a DEAL, as far as I’ve seen.
So, that’s about $258 per year, or $21.50 a month.
I’d love to pay only $5 a month for the ‘script.
>>>If you’re having sex once a day
Oh Non-Existent Deity, I don’t think I could get anything done if I did that!
Also, I forgot to mention: I count myself fuckin’ lucky that I don’t react badly to the cheap stuff. I’m also glad that, in the end, I don’t need it for some serious medical issue. Were I to go off BC, my periods would probably just get a lot more erratic, probably heavier, and a good chance of some really sucky cramps.
It’s about as fun as chewing broken glass, but my life/fertility/long-term health are not threatened.
“Also, talacaris, you’re ignoring rather blatantly that birth control used by women has multiple uses while condoms don’t. Condoms don’t treat endometriosis or PCOS. There are a ton of significant complications women live with that are addressed by using the various types of birth control available to them that have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy (the Pill is necessary for a lot of women with PCOS to ensure we might some day be able to get pregnant). A drug that lets me keep my ovaries intact? Should be fucking covered.”
Of course. I haven’t said anything to the contrary, and of course hormonal b/c should be covered too.