Complementarian Loners, a relationship blog of sorts run by two kinky but reactionary Catholics (and which I’ve written about before), describes itself as “primarily a blog of ideas.” The main idea seems to be that women are awful, worthless creatures. Surprisingly, it is CL, the female half of the blogging team, who is often the most vociferous on this point.
In a post unironically titled “Tits or GTFO (a.k.a. How Women Ruin Everything),” CL defends the regular harassment women face when entering – sorry, “invading” – “male spaces” online. As she writes:
Too many women will waltz in and expect to engage everyone, with no sense that perhaps they should just hang back once they’ve had their say if they even have it. They talk and talk and talk, derailing conversations, going off-topic usually to talk about themselves, until all that’s left is a room full of clucking hens and all the smart guys eventually get fed up and leave.
They want to be considered equals yet prove they do not deserve it both by showing that what they really want is to be up on that pedestal and that they are incapable of rational thought.
I have to confess that I have never actually seen this happening in any “male space” online, though I’ve seen numerous female spaces invaded and overrun by blabby mansplainy guys, often of the MRA persuasion. That’s certainly happened often enough on Reddit, where virtually every woman-centric subreddit from TwoXChromosome to Feminism has been rendered almost useless for discussion, a process depicted symbolically in the gif below.
Meanwhile, over at the “male spaces,” women are all too often shut down and/or run off by obnoxious dudes calling them bitches and worse and demanding nude pictures. CL, for her part, finds this all rather wonderful, and suggests puckishly that Complementarian Loners might well adopt a similar “policy” to deal with gals who won’t stop disagreeing with her shut up.
There’s a reason the only people we have banned on this blog are women and a couple of manginas. These people don’t know when to shut up and have no sense that they’re wearing out the welcome mat – also known as being entitled. … I’ve lost whatever patience I had for it and I don’t like to see insightful comments lost in the kerfuffle of women clamouring for validation.
So, perhaps a new policy for women should be, since they refuse to apologise or drop anything, tits or GTFO.
Sure, that might be seen as demeaning. But these women are asking for it through their behavior:
If a woman is making no sense and adding nothing to the discussion, while making it all about her, defending other women, being a special snowflake and NOT wanting to learn anything, she is a liability and worthless in that forum, so she has reduced her worth to only sexual. Therefore, she should just be sexual and show her tits to show she has something to offer.
Really? Because I’ve run across a lot of awful guys online who continually say things that make no sense, and I’ve never once thought that this “reduces their worth to only sexual.” I think it just means they are incoherent assholes with terrible, terrible ideas.
But no, in CL’s mind, women bring this sexual harassment onto themselves. Not only that, but the harassment is good for them:
Men do not do this to women; women do it to themselves. Due [to] their lame, banal talking, they show they are only good for sex. Showing her tits is a humbling and reminds her of her worth. With any hope, it makes her think and realise that in order to be more than a sexual object, she must STFU or prove herself able to be rational.
CL, your argument here isn’t exactly, you know, rational to begin with; you’re essentially demanding that the women you disagree with transform themselves into people who are irrational in the same way that you are.
I am embarrassed for my sex. It makes me cringe to see how they ruin everything once they get their claws in, and how little they really seem to care for men and male spaces. We all want our own spaces free of drama. Perhaps they don’t realise that it is they who create all the drama, but apparently this is what women seem to want.
Yeah, it’s not like angry dudes online are ever known to conjure drama out of thin air (*cough*avoiceformen*cough*).
Of course, when those poor MRAs start having fits over nothing, we need to remember that the poor babies have been treated so badly by the ladies of the world:
Women need to understand that MRAs and MGTOWs are disgruntled, angry, and frustrated with good reason … These are men who have loved, and their anger is proportional to the love of which they are capable.
Well, that’s your theory. My theory is that, by and large, they’re a bunch of entitled assholes.
In the end, CL brings it all back to one famous naughty lady and her love of apples:
If only women would stop this fight. If only women would submit to male leadership and stop this urge to control everything. Alas, it seems unlikely that most will ever be able to see, but it is sad how bad things have gotten, how cursed the world is, by dint of the daughters of Eve and our disobedience.
That’s right: Because Eve bit an apple, it’s fine to sexually harass women online when you don’t like what they say.
Of course, CL is perfectly fine with offline harassment as well. In the comments, she laments that fact that dudes can’t call a woman a “whore” in a bar these days without that woman getting mad, and suggests that women working in male arenas – sorry, women “playing at being construction workers or what have you” – just learn to appreciate this sort of “jocular speech” from the fellows.
Blessed are the sexual harassers, because women talk too much.
Yeah, I know you specifically wrote that — and you flat out ignored that what David ACTUALLY WROTE is discussing MALE SPACES. Which is why I rightly let you know that your goal shifting is so much bullshit. And you are a legitimate asshole for thinking that you own Atheism because you have a dick, and that anyone who doesn’t have a dick is invading your space. Own it.
And how not unlike the origin of creation myth from ancient Greece, which also consists of a woman (surprise, surprise) unleashing all the ills of the world upon mankind by opening a box (originally, a jar or urn) when her curiosity got the better of her.
I thought the whole point of SRS was to point out when people were being buttholes on Reddit.
Given the amount of obstructive buttholery I’ve seen from the Atheist Community at times, I don’t think this is a bad idea.
“Oh, you can shut that shit down RIGHT NOW, because we know that MRAs are running the feminist threads at Reddit.”
Uh, yeah, you wouldn’t want to go over to the atheismplus subreddit and confirm any of your claims would you? Or verify mine??
Scratch that, the amount of obstructive buttholery I’ve seen from the Internet.
@some bored guy,
For the love of God (pun intended), make your own blog already so you can talk all about A+ atheism to your heart’s content. You’re the boring one here, and we are bored with your schtick.
Yawn, you made a your mom joke. I’m sure all your high school buddies think that’s very clever.
There were no explosives. The fire from the crash melted the steel enough that the building lost structural integrity. The Skeptical Inquirer had a very strong debunking of the whole ‘explosives’ theory, not to mention that the so-called ‘thermite’ evidence was debunked as well.
Just read the Paul Elam piece. I’ve heard that Epsom Salts are very good for soothing a bad case of butthurt.
Who better than SRS to run a subreddit that isn’t going to be run over by assholes?
You should really write about Bonobos, Some Guy.
Bonobos are cool.
Especially when wearing bow ties and fezzes.
@Dvärghundspossen
I should point out that I brought up Lilith in the first place because I’m Jewish and I was raised with a TON of different versions of the Eden story along with about a thousand different interpretations of said ton of stories. Lilith isn’t folklore, she’s what’s known as “midrash”, which is, in a way, attempts to explain points of the bible that contradict or to try and understand what the basic concept of a story is.
Lilith, FTR, is an attempt to explain why the first Genesis story says Man and Woman were created at the same time and the second says she was made from Man’s rib.
Does Mr. Futrelle normally take his marching orders from you?
And “elevatorgate” was a ridiculously overblown reaction from some whiny neckbeards who freaked out over a woman having problems with being invited to the private hotel room of a total stranger at 4:00am. What a stuck-up bitch, eh? What woman would find that scenario disturbing??
If you can’t figure out why a woman would be uncomfortable with that kind of come-on, then you’re beyond hope.
This isn’t about CL disagreeing with feminists. This is about CL stating outright that women with whom she disagrees or disapproves should be reduced to sexual objects and aggressively sexually harassed because she believes that women (note, she did not write “feminists,” she wrote “women”) “…ruin everything once they get their claws in…”.
Tell us again about the misogyny?
Entirely – adv
1. wholly or fully; completely or unreservedly: I am not entirely satisfied with the architect’s design.
2. solely or exclusively.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entirely?s=t
Dude, SRS isn’t just feminist, so you are again making my point for me.
Go to the board and diagram that sentence.
Moving on, it’s about atheists who aren’t total assholes recognizing the need for change in their movement. That does include the movement becoming more feminist. I didn’t say that had no part of it; I said that is not ALL of it, because it isn’t. There are transphobes, racists (BOY HOWDY racists), classists (BOY HOWDY, christ), and other assorted asshats all fucking over atheism. If it wants to be about anything but Honky McStraighterson III, it needs to change; a lot.
l o fucking l.
David was talking about male spaces, because the stupid misogynist quoted in the OP was, and then you started talking about feminists invading atheism. You hoped nobody else would notice the trick you were trying to pull. Don’t pretend Blitzgal is the one inventing this, it’s blazingly obvious.
Since The Bibel has come up quite a bit, I think the commentariat here would find this quite edifying:
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Bible,_English,_King_James,_According_to_the_documentary_hypothesis
Hey, thebionicmommy , BlackBloc and me are all hanging out in the new thread. Come on over!
And these same whiny neckbeards would snort and spit, “Well, what did she expect?? Stupid bitch!!” if a woman were to accept an invitation to the private hotel room of a total stranger at 4:00am and subsequently be raped by said stranger.
Not much writing needs to be done about this.
Rebecca Watson mentioned something about behavior and objectification, and a large number of whiny atheist neckbeards tried their best to shit on her from the comfort of their computer chairs. “[O]kay with feminism space,” my ass.
Atheismplus is an attempt to create (check your dictionary for more on the distinction between create and invade. Also compare create with project as a verb; you seem to have trouble with the distinction) a feminism/social justice-friendly atheistic space online.
Pretty poor examples, I think.
some guy, please start your own blog. You can write about atheism to your heart’s content.
Atheist MRA d00dz complaining about Elevatorgate is about on par with Republicans complaining about the fact that Bill Clinton is all being an attention wh*re for always talking about his blowjob on the news. Guys, it would have been a complete non-event if you hadn’t throw a shit fit about it in the first place.
http://emmyc.tumblr.com/post/3490723244
Some people worship the snake in the old creation myth…orphites, I believe.
CL, sounds truly brain-washed. Actually, you know what, every once in a while, I respond to a female misogynist online (like in political or geeky sites), then they go, “See, women fight with each other all the time…see, I was right.” Then I just wanna rip my hair out, because I just wanted to point out the sexism, but that’s what happens. Should I ignore that shit next time? What would you guys do?
Stonecipher Beadsman is indeed one of our returning trolls, not trying very hard to avoid detection, as the name is a reference to Lenore Stonecipher Beadsman, the heroine of David Foster Wallace’s Broom of the System.
Oh my god. Every time he comes back it’s the new saddest thing.
Dude. It is NICE out in Boston. Get off the computer and go for a walk.
Ummmm… They are both English-speaking people who blog? Now, let’s do this one!