Complementarian Loners, a relationship blog of sorts run by two kinky but reactionary Catholics (and which I’ve written about before), describes itself as “primarily a blog of ideas.” The main idea seems to be that women are awful, worthless creatures. Surprisingly, it is CL, the female half of the blogging team, who is often the most vociferous on this point.
In a post unironically titled “Tits or GTFO (a.k.a. How Women Ruin Everything),” CL defends the regular harassment women face when entering – sorry, “invading” – “male spaces” online. As she writes:
Too many women will waltz in and expect to engage everyone, with no sense that perhaps they should just hang back once they’ve had their say if they even have it. They talk and talk and talk, derailing conversations, going off-topic usually to talk about themselves, until all that’s left is a room full of clucking hens and all the smart guys eventually get fed up and leave.
They want to be considered equals yet prove they do not deserve it both by showing that what they really want is to be up on that pedestal and that they are incapable of rational thought.
I have to confess that I have never actually seen this happening in any “male space” online, though I’ve seen numerous female spaces invaded and overrun by blabby mansplainy guys, often of the MRA persuasion. That’s certainly happened often enough on Reddit, where virtually every woman-centric subreddit from TwoXChromosome to Feminism has been rendered almost useless for discussion, a process depicted symbolically in the gif below.
Meanwhile, over at the “male spaces,” women are all too often shut down and/or run off by obnoxious dudes calling them bitches and worse and demanding nude pictures. CL, for her part, finds this all rather wonderful, and suggests puckishly that Complementarian Loners might well adopt a similar “policy” to deal with gals who won’t stop disagreeing with her shut up.
There’s a reason the only people we have banned on this blog are women and a couple of manginas. These people don’t know when to shut up and have no sense that they’re wearing out the welcome mat – also known as being entitled. … I’ve lost whatever patience I had for it and I don’t like to see insightful comments lost in the kerfuffle of women clamouring for validation.
So, perhaps a new policy for women should be, since they refuse to apologise or drop anything, tits or GTFO.
Sure, that might be seen as demeaning. But these women are asking for it through their behavior:
If a woman is making no sense and adding nothing to the discussion, while making it all about her, defending other women, being a special snowflake and NOT wanting to learn anything, she is a liability and worthless in that forum, so she has reduced her worth to only sexual. Therefore, she should just be sexual and show her tits to show she has something to offer.
Really? Because I’ve run across a lot of awful guys online who continually say things that make no sense, and I’ve never once thought that this “reduces their worth to only sexual.” I think it just means they are incoherent assholes with terrible, terrible ideas.
But no, in CL’s mind, women bring this sexual harassment onto themselves. Not only that, but the harassment is good for them:
Men do not do this to women; women do it to themselves. Due [to] their lame, banal talking, they show they are only good for sex. Showing her tits is a humbling and reminds her of her worth. With any hope, it makes her think and realise that in order to be more than a sexual object, she must STFU or prove herself able to be rational.
CL, your argument here isn’t exactly, you know, rational to begin with; you’re essentially demanding that the women you disagree with transform themselves into people who are irrational in the same way that you are.
I am embarrassed for my sex. It makes me cringe to see how they ruin everything once they get their claws in, and how little they really seem to care for men and male spaces. We all want our own spaces free of drama. Perhaps they don’t realise that it is they who create all the drama, but apparently this is what women seem to want.
Yeah, it’s not like angry dudes online are ever known to conjure drama out of thin air (*cough*avoiceformen*cough*).
Of course, when those poor MRAs start having fits over nothing, we need to remember that the poor babies have been treated so badly by the ladies of the world:
Women need to understand that MRAs and MGTOWs are disgruntled, angry, and frustrated with good reason … These are men who have loved, and their anger is proportional to the love of which they are capable.
Well, that’s your theory. My theory is that, by and large, they’re a bunch of entitled assholes.
In the end, CL brings it all back to one famous naughty lady and her love of apples:
If only women would stop this fight. If only women would submit to male leadership and stop this urge to control everything. Alas, it seems unlikely that most will ever be able to see, but it is sad how bad things have gotten, how cursed the world is, by dint of the daughters of Eve and our disobedience.
That’s right: Because Eve bit an apple, it’s fine to sexually harass women online when you don’t like what they say.
Of course, CL is perfectly fine with offline harassment as well. In the comments, she laments that fact that dudes can’t call a woman a “whore” in a bar these days without that woman getting mad, and suggests that women working in male arenas – sorry, women “playing at being construction workers or what have you” – just learn to appreciate this sort of “jocular speech” from the fellows.
Blessed are the sexual harassers, because women talk too much.
That totally cracked me up.
Yep, the argument that women are responsible for what men do to them has been the traditional justification for the subjugation and abuse of women for thousands of years.
It has proven so successful that it is now applied by abusers to children, strangers, employers, co workers, virtually anyone and everyone who fails to acknowledge the superiority of the abuser and their natural right to be served.
Impressive.
Ever heard the story of The Other People?
“I’d rather see the tits of someone I *like.*
If I don’t like someone, I’d rather not see any parts of them.
The idea of “if you’re a useless person, then you’re only useful for sex” is incredibly gross. It makes me worry about what exactly CL thinks sex is and what it’s for.”
I would say the same about the other MRAs too. I really can’t understand how you would want sex with people you don’t like. Why do MRAs reduce women to sex if they don’t like them? Why would you want that level of intimacy with someone you hate? It boggles the mind.
@Seraph: No, enlighten me! 😀
This I always wondered about too. None of my CCD teachers could ever give this question what felt to me, a satisfactory answer. A lot of them would answer, that yes, God did know Eve would take the fruit and that she would get Adam to take the fruit, but he hoped his children would prove him wrong. To which I always felt that if he knew all this shit would happen and still let it happen anyway, it’s his fucking fault, not Eve’s or Adam’s.
Which is not to say I think anyone who believes is wrong or stupid, or that I assume all people who consider themselves of a Christian persuasion believe in the same way CL does, or others like CL, just that for me, somewhere between hearing about bishops who think trying to limit (or eradicate altogether) access to birth control is more important than removing rapists or molesters from their posts and reading blatant lies posted in my parent’s local church’s newsletter, I couldn’t grok all the inconsistencies I felt were already in the Bible with all the inconsistencies in the religion I grew up with that existed outside of the Bible and reconcile all of that with things I knew in my heart to be right. I sometimes flit between outright not believing and thinking that perhaps there’s some sort of religious something out there, but on days where I figure perhaps a God of sorts does exist, I hope zie is not as much of a douchebag as some of those in the Bible and plenty of others make hir out to be.
Off topic, but I’m going through old Sinfest strips (got to pass the time somehow) and found this on MRAs. It’s eleven years old and they haven’t changed a bit, bless ’em.
OT, but my furball of evil with the newly acquired spinach addiction is not letting me read the comments. She keeps getting on the keyboard, pushing buttons and generally being a pain, all because I’m eating an omelet with spinach. I just need a way to blame this on misandry.
If you take the Bible down a certain rabbit hole you come to the unmistakable conclusion that it’s all a giant construction of suffering around us, and we’re to be grateful for that suffering as it does something ineffable to our souls, and if we draw the right message from the suffering we will finally be free from suffering.
Leastaways, that was the last iteration of My Mindset before I finally couldn’t stay with it any more.
@Scotty Dudebro:
Once you have a kitten, your time is not your own. You are simply an extension of their existence, a sort of waldo for opening cans. Their own personal thumbs.
@Pecunium: MMMMMMMMMMM, very nice! *listens raptly to you* (Of course I always have which just proves……..something! ) I like the picture of you holding a camera to take a picture!
@Scotty Dudebro: plus who are you to be denying the GODDESS her spinach??????
The two chapters you’re seeing are actually two separate Creation stories, from two separate sources. In the first, the word translated into English as “God” is “Elohim” – which is a plural word (like “Seraphim”). So in that story, “the gods” created Heaven and Earth, created humanity in their own image, male and female, etc. In the second story, “God” is the individual god Yahweh.
The story of the Other People – a pagan interpretation that reconciles all of these elements pretty well – goes like this:
In the Beginning, the gods (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, and all living things, including humanity. Once they were done, one of their number (Yahweh) set about building his own personal botanical and zoological garden in Eden, including building his own humans from the ground up. The experiment…failed, as is rather well known.
A generation later, Cain wanders into the lands east of Eden, only to find the Other People already there. One is kind-hearted enough to marry him despite his facial scarring and his terrible guilt complex, thus neatly solving the problem of Cain’s wife.
This story is a popular answer to Jehovah’s Witnesses and other door-knocking soul-savers. After all, if you’re one of the Other People – i.e., not of semitic descent – then you were never cast out by your gods and need no savior.
Thanks Seraph!
I know I saw a TV show, or read a comic somewhere, where a person gets the chance to talk to God and asks him about Cain’s wife. The reply: “Well… Let’s just say Darwin wasn’t completely wrong…”.
All of you vermin, cowering in the dirt, thinking- what, I wonder? That you might escape the coming fire? No, your world will burn until its surface is but glass, and not one of you will live to creep, blackened, from its hole to mar the reflection of our passage. The culmination of our journey for your destruction is the will of the gods. And I? I am their instrument!
Stonecipher Beadsman – dude, fucking metal. *Throws the horns*. We need to get you a guitar and a microphone, stat.
Oh look, another narcissist has stumbled in to wave his hands and jump up and down before soiling himself.
I try to cultivate instinctual Googling. Stone’s quote is from Halo.
I’m calling Poe on Beadsman.
I want what stone is smoking.
Master Chief?
All right, Stonecipher, let’s go! Roll for initiative!
By the burning glory of Pelor … hold person!
Castigate!
Inflict critical wounds!
COMETFALL!!
DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ?
I cast Detect Bullshit on Stone.
I’m calling returning unlamented troll on Stone.
Aw. Metal denied.
To answer everyones question about why, if God knows everything did he allow his children to eat from the tree? The answer is simple. Free will. If I said don’t eat from this tree but I kept it caged so you couldn’t get to it, it wouldn’t really be of your own free will that you didn’t eat from that tree. Without free will, you’d be nothing but a mindless automoton. He didn’t let them eat from the tree, they choose to disobey God.