Complementarian Loners, a relationship blog of sorts run by two kinky but reactionary Catholics (and which I’ve written about before), describes itself as “primarily a blog of ideas.” The main idea seems to be that women are awful, worthless creatures. Surprisingly, it is CL, the female half of the blogging team, who is often the most vociferous on this point.
In a post unironically titled “Tits or GTFO (a.k.a. How Women Ruin Everything),” CL defends the regular harassment women face when entering – sorry, “invading” – “male spaces” online. As she writes:
Too many women will waltz in and expect to engage everyone, with no sense that perhaps they should just hang back once they’ve had their say if they even have it. They talk and talk and talk, derailing conversations, going off-topic usually to talk about themselves, until all that’s left is a room full of clucking hens and all the smart guys eventually get fed up and leave.
They want to be considered equals yet prove they do not deserve it both by showing that what they really want is to be up on that pedestal and that they are incapable of rational thought.
I have to confess that I have never actually seen this happening in any “male space” online, though I’ve seen numerous female spaces invaded and overrun by blabby mansplainy guys, often of the MRA persuasion. That’s certainly happened often enough on Reddit, where virtually every woman-centric subreddit from TwoXChromosome to Feminism has been rendered almost useless for discussion, a process depicted symbolically in the gif below.
Meanwhile, over at the “male spaces,” women are all too often shut down and/or run off by obnoxious dudes calling them bitches and worse and demanding nude pictures. CL, for her part, finds this all rather wonderful, and suggests puckishly that Complementarian Loners might well adopt a similar “policy” to deal with gals who won’t stop disagreeing with her shut up.
There’s a reason the only people we have banned on this blog are women and a couple of manginas. These people don’t know when to shut up and have no sense that they’re wearing out the welcome mat – also known as being entitled. … I’ve lost whatever patience I had for it and I don’t like to see insightful comments lost in the kerfuffle of women clamouring for validation.
So, perhaps a new policy for women should be, since they refuse to apologise or drop anything, tits or GTFO.
Sure, that might be seen as demeaning. But these women are asking for it through their behavior:
If a woman is making no sense and adding nothing to the discussion, while making it all about her, defending other women, being a special snowflake and NOT wanting to learn anything, she is a liability and worthless in that forum, so she has reduced her worth to only sexual. Therefore, she should just be sexual and show her tits to show she has something to offer.
Really? Because I’ve run across a lot of awful guys online who continually say things that make no sense, and I’ve never once thought that this “reduces their worth to only sexual.” I think it just means they are incoherent assholes with terrible, terrible ideas.
But no, in CL’s mind, women bring this sexual harassment onto themselves. Not only that, but the harassment is good for them:
Men do not do this to women; women do it to themselves. Due [to] their lame, banal talking, they show they are only good for sex. Showing her tits is a humbling and reminds her of her worth. With any hope, it makes her think and realise that in order to be more than a sexual object, she must STFU or prove herself able to be rational.
CL, your argument here isn’t exactly, you know, rational to begin with; you’re essentially demanding that the women you disagree with transform themselves into people who are irrational in the same way that you are.
I am embarrassed for my sex. It makes me cringe to see how they ruin everything once they get their claws in, and how little they really seem to care for men and male spaces. We all want our own spaces free of drama. Perhaps they don’t realise that it is they who create all the drama, but apparently this is what women seem to want.
Yeah, it’s not like angry dudes online are ever known to conjure drama out of thin air (*cough*avoiceformen*cough*).
Of course, when those poor MRAs start having fits over nothing, we need to remember that the poor babies have been treated so badly by the ladies of the world:
Women need to understand that MRAs and MGTOWs are disgruntled, angry, and frustrated with good reason … These are men who have loved, and their anger is proportional to the love of which they are capable.
Well, that’s your theory. My theory is that, by and large, they’re a bunch of entitled assholes.
In the end, CL brings it all back to one famous naughty lady and her love of apples:
If only women would stop this fight. If only women would submit to male leadership and stop this urge to control everything. Alas, it seems unlikely that most will ever be able to see, but it is sad how bad things have gotten, how cursed the world is, by dint of the daughters of Eve and our disobedience.
That’s right: Because Eve bit an apple, it’s fine to sexually harass women online when you don’t like what they say.
Of course, CL is perfectly fine with offline harassment as well. In the comments, she laments that fact that dudes can’t call a woman a “whore” in a bar these days without that woman getting mad, and suggests that women working in male arenas – sorry, women “playing at being construction workers or what have you” – just learn to appreciate this sort of “jocular speech” from the fellows.
Blessed are the sexual harassers, because women talk too much.
Let’s be real here. I’m a woman. Woman are controlling, jealous and mischievous. We’re not completely evil. I’ve realized it’s in our nature to be this way. The man in the relationship is…well, the man. So all the women out there who argue why a man should be in charge, please shut up, you’re not changing the way gender roles should be!
Most women nowadays want to play the male gender role but then switch to the female card when it applies to them or benefits them (depending on situations). It’s the truth. We do this. Not all the time, but we do it 97% of the time (basically all the time). Society has placed women on such a high pedestal because they know that you can’t win an argument with a women, EVER. So what do they do? They say, “Whatever, let them win. We’ll tell them they deserve it all and bla bla bla because if we don’t, we’ll have to hear their never-ending BS.”
Ladies….play your damn role. You want to be independent? Prove it. Get a job. Support yourself. Talk about something else OTHER THAN YOURSELF FOR ONCE! Respect how other people feel and try to understand. It’s not always about you. And NO…none of our vaginas are made out of gold so stop pretending like you’re 1 in a trillion. You’re not. Shut up. Good bye. Ugh.
@Samantha, YOU are controlling, jealous, and mischievous. I am pretty much just mischievous. If you want to play some role, that’s fine. Don’t force other people to play that role, and don’t assume you speak for anyone else. You don’t, you asshat.
Also, my vagina is made out of gold. I had it plated. I am very pleased with it.
I’m confused. I’m doing this, and so is almost every other woman I know. I don’t know where you live that no women have jobs or support themselves, but I’m guessing it has a bubble of some sort around it.
Also, sometimes women win arguments based on the merit of said argument. I can believe that it never happens to you, but you are not every woman (as we established in the previous paragraph).
Fixed.
::sniff sniff::
Is that a hint of dirty socks in the air?
I have a job! And right now, I’m in a discussion about Genesis and fundie porn in another thread (i e, a discussion not revolving around myself)! Wow! I should win a price!
Seriously, just repeating “it’s the truth” and pulling percentages out of one’s arse does not a solid argument make.
And the blockquote monster retires, appetite sated for the moment …
Samantha, shut the fuck up. Did it ever occur to you that people in general are manipulative and lying? Not just women? That’s because women are people. So quit whining like women are some separate case of people.
You manipulate using your gender? Well great. You’re an asshole. But that doesn’t mean every woman is inherently like you.
Also, learn how to argue or type(I can’t tell which you need). You swapped from hating women to men and vice versa like 3 times.
The Thread Necromancer! Maybe not a class for itself, but definitely a new, terrible enemy for Straw Feminists and MRA Brothers-In-Arms alike!
SPOILERS! If it turns out to be the Thread Dark Lord in disguise, I’ll be very, very disappointed.
You mean …
DAVID IS ALL TEH TROLLZ?
Noooooooo I cannot cope
First it was Mr 90% Al
Now it’s Mr 100% David
Aiiieeeeeeeeeee!
My vagina is made out of platinum with encrusted diamonds. It’s so fabulous it inspired Damien Hurst.
Yeah! Because that has definite meaning and is totally understandable!!
…sadly, it is. Because she means to say ‘somebody of the male gender is, well, totally entitled to take the societally defined role of the man, and is better equipped because penis.’
Ah, the magic penis that makes me able to do higher math. Having my gonads on the outside, not the inside, totally changes my brain.
Also, trans* people obviously don’t exist. If they did then all this would be transparent bullshit, and we can’t have that.
Also, if men and women were necessary complements, then lesbians would obviously live lives of unbridled chaos.
So, in short, what the fuck is this nonsense?
My vagina is too made out of gold.
Samatha is made out of dumb. WTF did I just read?
Fixed that for ya.
Wow, you have solid gold vaginas? I’m jelly.
Samantha seems to be under the impression that women are trickster gods/elementals. Do I get to choose whether I’m an elf or a fairy?
Starts humming Spandau Ballet:
I’ll never get this kind of rant. People who clamor for a return to “traditional gender roles” (what they think every household in the 1950’s was, with the dad “bringing home the bacon” and mom cooking it) then turn around and tell women to get jobs and support themselves are… confusing.
Not to mention I’m really surprised that it seems Samantha doesn’t know (m)any women who work outside the home. I personally don’t know any women who aren’t retired who DON’T work outside the home in some capacity, most of them full time at very demanding, but lower paying jobs that tend to garner less respect because, pink collar.
There are exactly two women in my life (among the many) right now who don’t work outside the home. Both are retired, one ran a part time catering business from her home since her husband wouldn’t let her work outside the home and the other was a teacher for 40 years.
So you were saying, Samantha?
I’ll also note that my family’s friend who taught for 40 years never married and supported herself quite well indeed. And even though she’s retired now and in her early 90’s she still volunteers a few times a week at her local museum because she knows the museum doesn’t have the money to pay someone to do the work that needs to be done.
I can’t track down many excerpts, but this is one of recommended texts on Menstuff:
http://www.amazon.com/How-Date-Young-Women-Over/dp/product-description/0962067156/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
Some choice quotes:
Uh…I think I would like to go shower now.
Also, the Menstuff web design is awful.
Blast, html fail. It’s from a book titled How to Date Young Women for Men over 35.
Dammit, wrong thread.
It’s so creepy the way they literally don’t seem to be able to understand the fact that their fantasies about what women are thinking are not the same thing as what women are actually thinking. For guys who don’t understand the feminist comment that some men don’t realize that women are people, this is a great example – the author above doesn’t seem to understand that women are actual people with their own stuff going on and not just projections of what’s going on in his head at all.